BowJoe Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Since the whole question about the integrity of Jimmy Houston has come up in a big way for a lot of True Hunters and enthusiasts....... has any of the RealTree Pro-staff ever hunted a canned hunt or have they ever hunted high fence areas that are not considered fair chase? Simple question and I think a justifiable one at that. I think we all need to know just how the people we look up to feel on this issue and have they ever been involved in that type of situation. Some may disagree with me on this, but I think we need to clear the air on a major issue like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Andrus Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! No fence for me! If you put a animal in a fenced area I feel that it becomes livestock.and if Iwas going to hunt livestock Id probably switch to beef LOl!! tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo_buck Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! I'm no pro, but I'll toss my $.02 in....... I make a distinction between High Fence, and Canned hunting...... I think it all depends on the size of the fenced area..... To me 500 acres high fenced, is a whole lot different than 5 acres....... If I wanna shoot something in a pen there are a lot of farms around here that I can go pay the farmer...... I have never hunted anything high fenced or canned..... It's just the way I veiw this subject.... If it's legal, and it floats your boat, go for it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! I remember hearing an interview with Bill Jordan a few years ago. He said that when Team Realtree first started going on guided hunts for their videos he was a little green as far as guided hunts go. They would hunt high fenced ranches, etc. But one particular hunt they went on the guide put Jordan and David Blanton in the back of truck with a platform and drove around for awhile. Jordan asked the driver when they were going to get to the stand, the driver replied, "you are already in your stand". Obviously hunting from the very truck they were riding around in. At this point Jordan said he realized something was wrong with some of the ways he was hunting and completely changed his hunting to fair chase. Sometimes it takes a little time and gained knowledge, but Jordan finally got it. That's why I have no problem buying Realtree videos, these guys do it right. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Remember the time Bill shot the barb wire fence with and arrow and cut it in half. That was funny I seriously doubt any of them do a canned hunt. I wish I had a dollar for every episode of RT Outdoors I've seen when Bill goes home empty handed. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Realtree Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Canned hunts? No. High fenced hunts? Yes, but not in a long time and not again. When I say fenced hunts, we are talking anywhere from 10,000-50,000 acres and we have not hunted those in 4 or 5 years. If you were to see a couple of early hunts that Bill and David did, there were a couple that were much smaller (The Sanctuary in MI was one). At the time, hunting videos or even filming a hunt was a new thing and fenced hunting (to my knowledge was too). If not, it was to our guys. I have since talked with David about those early years and he regrets them ever doing it. They don't deny it, and have made it very clear that those type operations are not what hunting is about and we don't support it. Thanks, S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! [ QUOTE ] Canned hunts? No. High fenced hunts? Yes, but not in a long time and not again. When I say fenced hunts, we are talking anywhere from 10,000-50,000 acres and we have not hunted those in 4 or 5 years. If you were to see a couple of early hunts that Bill and David did, there were a couple that were much smaller (The Sanctuary in MI was one). At the time, hunting videos or even filming a hunt was a new thing and fenced hunting (to my knowledge was too). If not, it was to our guys. I have since talked with David about those early years and he regrets them ever doing it. They don't deny it, and have made it very clear that those type operations are not what hunting is about and we don't support it. Thanks, S [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the info, I hope I wasn't speaking out of turn in my explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! I remember seeing David Blanton hunting at the Sanctuary many years ago. I think that was the first time I saw him. Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! This may open a whole can of worms, and if so, well so be it. I think the only reason high fenced (and I'm NOT talking about canned) hunts aren't widely accepted is because B&C and P&Y won't recognize any entries taken from those types of ranches. And I do see their point. Where do you draw the line and say that it changes from fair chase to canned? 50 acres? 500 acres? 5000 acres? It would just be too difficult to make the distinction, so they say NO to everything taken from behind a high fence, regardless of size. But here's the truth, if the enclosure is reasonably large, say at least several thousands of acres, and has a reasonable amount of cover, a deer can certainly live it's entire life and never been seen by a hunter. Stop and think about it for a minute. What's a whitetail's average range? Most people think it's 2 or 3 square miles. Some may say it's a little more and other's say a little less. Well, 6,400 acres is 10 square miles and 12,800 acres is 20 square miles! Odds are, on a ranch that size the deer would never leave anyway. The benefits of a high fence are that you can keep all of the other deer out and maintain a healthy buck to doe ratio, provide proper nutrition to the deer inside and allow the deer to mature. So the reason it's "easier" to take a trophy from a high fenced area is because there are more mature, better fed deer than you'll typically see outside a high fence. It's not because the deer are any more vulnerable to the hunter. If you're some city slicker that goes diddy bopping through the woods, you're no more likely to kill a trophy from inside a high fence than you are on public lands. Those deer are just as wild as any other and it still takes skill and perserverance to be successful. BTW - If B&C did recognize entries from inside high fences, Texas would lead the nation almost every year. There are literally hundreds of book sized bucks killed here every year that don't qualify because of the high fences. Again, I'm not suggesting they change their rules. I just don't want people to get the idea that a high fence means you're guaranteed a big deer, regardless of the hunter's skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Man, I'd like to have the contract on building a fence around 12,800 acres. You could take a year off and just hunt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Yeah, it's about $10,000 per mile for tall fencing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Now that's some coins!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Realtree Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Not at all. And the story you heard about Bill could be true, just not sure because we have never discussed it. Could be though. They have a lot of funny/interesting stories from when they were just starting out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! [ QUOTE ] if Iwas going to hunt livestock Id probably switch to beef LOl!! tim [/ QUOTE ] Hey Tim!!!! When you switch to livestock and start hunting beef are you going to invite the old preacherman over for a big juicy ribeye???? Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! I was hunting Pap's ranch in montana, Doe tag only. Some of Monte's black angus came past a 25 yards. boy was there some back straps on some of those critters. Monte told me I could have taken one, I love beef. but I passed because they were fenced. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! [ QUOTE ] Not at all. And the story you heard about Bill could be true, just not sure because we have never discussed it. Could be though. They have a lot of funny/interesting stories from when they were just starting out. [/ QUOTE ] That story is true, and it was David Blanton telling it on the MonsterBucks 10 DVD. They rode around and when they asked when they would start hunting the guide said they were........Bill and David went right out and bought some tripod stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! I thik this was a great question.... ,, and I'm glad to see Scott answered quickly with FACTS before speculation set in... THANKS Scott... I also agree with Texan_Til_I_Die, his answer makes total sense to me, but Im sure there is the few that have their own opinions on this, but hey that's what makes us individuals... And Tim when that Live Stock is ready to be harvested, hope there's a place at the table for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Thanks Vt, I knew I had seen that somewhere, now I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! You're quite welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! [ QUOTE ] And Tim when that Live Stock is ready to be harvested, hope there's a place at the table for me... [/ QUOTE ] Don't forget me!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! Thanks for clearing that up for everyone, Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! nope. and never will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted February 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! In my mind, I knew the answer but I want to hear it from the proverbial horses mouth. I live in Illinois and I have just never heard of anything like it except for the Elk Farm down in the most southern part of Southern IL. I actually know some relatives of the owners of that farm and I think it's a high fence place and I know you can hunt there, but I am not sure of all of the specs of it. If I am going to pay money to hunt somewhere then it's going to be completely fair chase and not in Illinois. I appreciate the administrator answering so quickly. I don't want anyone to think I was calling out the RT ProStaff or anything, I just thought I'd give them a chance to clear the air on where they stood before any started thinking RT does the same as Jimmy Houston. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! [ QUOTE ] those type operations are not what hunting is about and we don't support it. Thanks, S [/ QUOTE ] AWESOME!!! Thats great to know Scott! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Re: The Question for the RealTree Pros!!! [ QUOTE ] Most people think it's 2 or 3 square miles. Some may say it's a little more and other's say a little less. Well, 6,400 acres is 10 square miles and 12,800 acres is 20 square miles! Odds are, on a ranch that size the deer would never leave anyway. The benefits of a high fence are that you can keep all of the other deer out and maintain a healthy buck to doe ratio, provide proper nutrition to the deer inside and allow the deer to mature. So the reason it's "easier" to take a trophy from a high fenced area is because there are more mature, better fed deer than you'll typically see outside a high fence. It's not because the deer are any more vulnerable to the hunter. If you're some city slicker that goes diddy bopping through the woods, you're no more likely to kill a trophy from inside a high fence than you are on public lands. Those deer are just as wild as any other and it still takes skill and perserverance to be successful. [/ QUOTE ] Have to agree with this completely. Could not have said my thoughts any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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