bigmoss Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I have tried to sight my muzzle loader in for the last 2 seasons, last year I had no luck at all and this year was some what accurate at 50 yards but not enough that I wanted to risk wounding an animal. I am shooting a CVA .50cal, with Powerbelt 348 Gr sabots. I am using pellets as well. I am using 348 Gr because thats what came with the gun and after reading most all were having success with them. The first few shots seem to go well at 50 yards. I was told to be carefull and to try and pack the pellets and sabot the same way all the time etc which I have. Even after running a patch and even sometimes a brush as the patch was not cutting it, I still cannot seem to get it right. With a clean barrel I put some tape on where the rod finished when packing a load, this really seems to fluctuate in depth. I know this will happen after things get dirt but a couple in inches sometimes ? Should I be taking the breech plug right out when running the patch through ? I REALLY want to hunt with this gun but I have been through 4 packs of power belt now and am discouraged. Could it be the amount of poweder ? I have played with 80 to 100 gr but no more than 100. Thanks in advance BM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil hunter Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In I think the powerbelts just aren't going down far enough. We tryed those outta my dads knight. After awhile we realized when we thought they were all the way down, they weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In PA who said he sabot was not seating properly ? What I said was it seemed the dirtier the barrel gets the more up and down the seat. I am always sure the pellets and the sabit cannot go down any further before even thinking of a primer or shooting the gun. It was a simple question why do I sense so much venom in your answer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In he isnt showing any venom there BM he is being frank and straight forward you said the seat level is changing, that means the bullet isnt seating properly the pellets should rest againsnt the breech plug and bullet against powder. When you run a patch or such through the gun take the plug out otherwise your just pushing the crud to the bottom of the barrel where its going to be a real pain to get out. i like powerbelts my gun shoots them very well, that said try some sabots and see how they shoot, Ive said enough, ya want to know what the experts do read this bluelks muzzleloading chapters this will tell ya everything ya want to know, and i bet ya if ya follow the advice you will kill plenty of deer with that rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In Look for a different load. Obviously that ones not working for you. My knight wolverine shoots any saboted bullet I've ever put in it extremely well. But, it didn't do any damage to animals until I changed to the precision rifle bullets. You may go with a saboted bullet (around 220-240 grain) with about 90-100 grains of pyrodex or 80-90 grains of 777. I've never used the pellets but I know you get almost twice, if not more loads from 1 pound of powder than you do with the pellets. If you are interested in the precision rifle bullets look at them on www.prbullet.com and read about them. I shoot the 220 grain dead center but a lot of people like the QT bullets in somewhere around a 200 grain load. You're just gonna have to find something different than what you are shooting now because its not workin for ya bro. Good luck. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrick_White Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In [ QUOTE ] When you run a patch or such through the gun take the plug out otherwise your just pushing the crud to the bottom of the barrel where its going to be a real pain to get out. [/ QUOTE ] Actually this isn't true. Using a damp patch gets the crud out of the gun. I usually swab just before removing the plug at the end of shooting and have yet to see a crud buildup on the breech plug face. There's always crud on the plug after firing, but never have I seen anything like what you suggest happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When you run a patch or such through the gun take the plug out otherwise your just pushing the crud to the bottom of the barrel where its going to be a real pain to get out. [/ QUOTE ] Actually this isn't true. Using a damp patch gets the crud out of the gun. I usually swab just before removing the plug at the end of shooting and have yet to see a crud buildup on the breech plug face. There's always crud on the plug after firing, but never have I seen anything like what you suggest happens. [/ QUOTE ] actually when i first purchased my muzzleloader i had this problem alot, i started removing the breach plug and wala problem solved. SO yes it is true, you may not agree with it but that has nothing to do with the truth of it. Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrick_White Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] When you run a patch or such through the gun take the plug out otherwise your just pushing the crud to the bottom of the barrel where its going to be a real pain to get out. [/ QUOTE ] Actually this isn't true. Using a damp patch gets the crud out of the gun. I usually swab just before removing the plug at the end of shooting and have yet to see a crud buildup on the breech plug face. There's always crud on the plug after firing, but never have I seen anything like what you suggest happens. [/ QUOTE ] actually when i first purchased my muzzleloader i had this problem alot, i started removing the breach plug and wala problem solved. SO yes it is true, you may not agree with it but that has nothing to do with the truth of it. Aaron [/ QUOTE ] I'm close to 500 shots in My Extreme, almost 200 through my Omega, and another 3 or 400 through other rifles. I swabbed after every single one of those shots and never experienced that once. Now possibly if you don't swab between every shot that may happen, but like I said I swab between all my shots regardless of what I'm shooting. My Omega fouls worse than any other rifle I've shot and I still have never had it happen yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In [ QUOTE ] I have tried to sight my muzzle loader in for the last 2 seasons, last year I had no luck at all and this year was some what accurate at 50 yards but not enough that I wanted to risk wounding an animal. I am shooting a CVA .50cal, with Powerbelt 348 Gr sabots. I am using pellets as well. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know what specific model you are referring to, so my answer will necessarily be vague. You lso didn't mention the type of pellets. I've had far more dramatic results with a bullet change, than playing with powder. There is a fairly narrow range that is a full-powdered hunting load, at least to me. Fighting the same bullet over and over again can be frustrating, of course. But, if your gun does not like a bullet-- well, it just doesn't. Assuming you have a 1:28 twist barrel, you might want to try a 295 Powerbelt if you like then, a 250 gr. XTP or SST in a MMP black sabot, and a few lead saboted bullets-- a 285 gr. Buffalo SSB, or perhaps a 220 gr. Dead Center. Your gun will tell you when it really likes something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xen Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In [ QUOTE ] Even after running a patch and even sometimes a brush as the patch was not cutting it, I still cannot seem to get it right. With a clean barrel I put some tape on where the rod finished when packing a load, this really seems to fluctuate in depth. I know this will happen after things get dirt but a couple in inches sometimes ? [/ QUOTE ] I am curious, but a couple of inches in where the bullet is seating? I have to ask this, but you aren't trying to pack the pellets like you would powder, are you? If you crush the pellets I could see that making a large difference in where the bullet finally comes to rest. You should be in the same place every time when you seat the bullet. Even a couple of shots shouldn't make that much of a difference. I have never had more than 1/16" of an inch in difference, wether it was using pellets or loose powder. If you have more than 1/4" of difference and are using the same load, you've ot something wrong. My advice would be to pull the bullet and find out what happened. Better to be cautious and safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: A Hand with Sighting In PA thanks for the reply and I apologize for taking your post the wrong way. Thanks to everyone else for their replies also, I have noted all the suggestions. I wound up selling the gun a week a go to a friend that really wanted it and picked up the following new model. I will test with it and post the results once I have some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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