rifleman25 Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 These are some gathered facts and info on some sad news from a friend of mine. Here in the liberal capital of Texas (Austin) on KVUE TV this evening on the 10 o'clock newscast, they are going to run a story about "canned hunts" on "exotic preserves in Texas" and "... are they ethical?" Whether you agree, or disagree, with private ranches and their choices to sell hunts, the news organizations are starting to go after legal practices which will whittle away our rights as hunters!!! I'll tape and watch the entire news show this evening and share the info with everyone here. If they show a one-sided story, as I fear they will based on the tease they have been running, then I will share with everyone the information as to send them a little love letter and a way to give another to their sponsors!!! AGAIN... WE REALLY NEED TO STICK TOGETHER ON THIS ONE FOLKS!!! ANTIS DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS OF 'ETHICAL VS UNETHICAL' WITH HUNTING BEHIND FENCES... THEY ONLY CARE THAT THEY CAN ULTIMATELY MAKE US STOP HUNTING ALTOGETHER!!!! I thought we took care of this nonsense a couple of years ago! TPWD doesn't have control over non-native game in Texas. Of course, that wouldn't stop the Texas Legislature from passing a stupid law, for lack of anything better to do. "Canned hunts" is a contrived phrase designed to stir emotions and cause controversy. Like the term "assualt rifle", if it's used enough it will slowly become part of our lexicon. It will not matter what "canned hunt" is supposed to mean. In the end everyone will associate ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, RIGHT or WRONG inside a fence to be a canned hunt. The negative image will forever be seared into our brains. Score one for the antis. Let's just hope our fellow hunters who disgree with high-fenced hunting don't add fuel to the fire. We hunters can sometimes be our own worst enemy. This is a link to their web site. Maybe they will put it on there so we can all see it. http://www.kvue.com/ Her'e some info. on canned hunts in Texas. This is the definition and its illegal. People use the words for other things though, like pointed out above but that is not the legally defined use of the term. ************** "CANNED HUNTS" (DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS) No person may kill or attempt to injure a dangerous wild animal (African or Asiatic lion, tiger, leopard, cheetah, hyena, bear, elephant, wolf, or rhinoceros, or any subspecies or hybrid of these animals) that is held in captivity in this state or that is released from captivity in this state for the purpose of being killed, nor may any person conduct, promote, advertise, or assist in the hunting of a dangerous wild animal. *************** from here http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat.../hunt/nongame/ They have been showing the same video for years now if it happehs so much they should have some new video by now but no one will queston that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! Not to start anything here and maybe I'm wrong, but I think hunting does have an ethical and unethical side and in my opinion, canned hunts, with fences in the backround just isn't how hunting was meant to be, nor how God meant us to hunt. I think different people have different opinions and it is good for there to be someone looking at the ethics of canned hunts and they aren't necessarily bashing hunters in general, just maybe how some hunters hunt. It's just my 2 cents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! brian, i agree with tg. here. if a" canned" hunt is on only a few acres. i deplore it. if the canned hunt is on 10,000 acres or more, i just wouldn't do it. i'm strictly a spot & stalk, free range guy. i do respect other opinions, but simply don't agree with fenced hunts. hunting is very important to me. shooting is not. when i kill my next animal, and all previous, it will be me against him, on his turf, on his terms. simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finsnfur Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! I do not think rifleman is supporting 'canned' hunts. He is supporting 'the right to hunt'. He is concerned that people are going to get the impression that all outfitters are running these kind of operations and close them all down. He stated that people are using the term incorrectly. He does not want everyone to jump on a band wagon to close down 'canned' hunts when the bill might actually include all private outfitters, ranches and who ever else sells hunts. He wants everyone to be aware of what is going on and stick together to make sure they do not take away what we all hold dear, the ability to hunt. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! [ QUOTE ] I do not think rifleman is supporting 'canned' hunts. He is supporting 'the right to hunt'. He is concerned that people are going to get the impression that all outfitters are running these kind of operations and close them all down. He stated that people are using the term incorrectly. He does not want everyone to jump on a band wagon to close down 'canned' hunts when the bill might actually include all private outfitters, ranches and who ever else sells hunts. He wants everyone to be aware of what is going on and stick together to make sure they do not take away what we all hold dear, the ability to hunt. JMO. [/ QUOTE ] Thats how i took it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisconsinboy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! well im not going to say much cause i could go all day, but i personally dont like any hunt inside of a fence even if it is a million acres. a fence is a fence. whenever i watch a hunting video i just skip over the texas hunts, for two reasons....there are fences and the second reason.....i would much rather watch a hunt that takes place in the woods kinda like how i hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! Don't miss the point guys. Again what rfleman is saying is that it doesn't matter if you are for or against canned hunts, the fact is they are coming after us and trying to impose restrictions where they have no business sticking there nose in. I don't agree that we need to own machine guns, but if they take that gun away, what is next??? Your semi-automatic ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! Nybuck, Good point. I'm guessing the wording and definition of "canned hunt" will be a very liberal. Kind of the way every semi-automatic is an "assault rife" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! I understand the need to stick together as hunters and have no problem with doing that at all. However, just for the record here, I share the same feelings as stevebeilgard when it comes to fenced hunts. I personally wouldn't call a 10,000 acre enclosure a canned hunt but I don't have any desire to hunt within any such enclosure no matter how large it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finsnfur Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! [ QUOTE ] well im not going to say much cause i could go all day, but i personally dont like any hunt inside of a fence even if it is a million acres. a fence is a fence. whenever i watch a hunting video i just skip over the texas hunts, for two reasons....there are fences and the second reason.....i would much rather watch a hunt that takes place in the woods kinda like how i hunt. [/ QUOTE ] A person could stick any kind of hunting in your sentence. I don't hunt with dogs and I do not care to watch a hunt where they hunt with dogs. I do not do it and I was raised to believe it is wrong. But in some areas of our country, it is done - all the time. And it is believed to be the way to hunt. I have never tried hunting with dogs, it may be fun and different challenge. Is it my place to tell some one else how they should hunt? If it is not against the law, then all I have is an opinion. It is my opinion and I may believe in it very much, but others have opinions too. People base their opinions on their past experiences. I would much rather watch a hunt that is related to me and how I hunt also. I hunt in a tree stand and do some stalking, that is it. Videos are produced to make money. The production is driven my revenue. Thus there must be people who want to watch. Hunting is hunting is hunting. He is just trying to make sure that he gets to hunt. Public land is being eaten up here in Illinois. It is probably the same in Texas. If they start restrciting hunting in Illinois I hope others will help me in my cause. If some one who hunts with dogs needs help, I would help them too. We all need to help and protect each other's rights to bear arms and to hunt. Are we not all here to share in the beauty/spirit of hunting? He is not asking you to support 'canned' hunts. He asking for help in keep people informed with correct information. Things get misinterpretted all the time. Look at this thread. Imagine if the only people that spoke up were the ones who jumped on the 'misinformed' band wagon. THAT is what he wants to stop. He also fears, like me, that once they start to restrict hunting and by some way it includes ranches and outfitters that were outside of the intended purpose, that it will gain momentum and spread to other areas of hunting. One last thing and this probably belongs in a politcal thread but... When our forefathers fought for our country I am pretty sure they did NOT intend on the government telling a private citizen what he could do on his land if it was not hurting other citizens or the property belonging to other citizens. JM2C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! What rifleman is talking about, and what several other's have alluded to, is called incrementalism. The anti's will chip away at our sport by going after certain small segments that don't have broad based popular support. First it's the so called "canned hunts". Most hunters don't approve of canned hunts so we do nothing and those get even further restrictions. Next, it's hunts for more exotic species, like alligators. Not many people hunt alligators in Texas, so we don't make much of fuss when the alligator season gets closed. Now let's see, leg hold traps are cruel, so let's ban trapping of furbearing animals. Hey, I haven't set a steel trap in years. Why should I oppose it? You know, feral hogs are just domestic livestock that's gotten away from some farmer. We shouldn't be shooting livestock, now should we? I mean after all, you wouldn't walk out behind the barn and shoot Farmer Jones' cow, would you? So we better ban hog hunting too, while we're at it. And now that I think about it, mourning doves are classified as songbirds in some states. Maybe Texas should get with the program and close dove season too! Crossbows. Ah yes, no "true" bow hunter would stoop so low as to use one. Let's get all of the bowhunters together and get them to support banning hunting with crossbows. WAIT A MINUTE! Bowhunting is cruel too! We shoot an animal and leave it to bleed to death! How bad is that? Ban it, ban it NOW!!!! And I can go on and on. Bottom line is, we as hunters don't want to fall from that tried and true battle tactic called Divide And Conquer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! [ QUOTE ] brian, i agree with tg. here. if a" canned" hunt is on only a few acres. i deplore it. if the canned hunt is on 10,000 acres or more, i just wouldn't do it. i'm strictly a spot & stalk, free range guy. i do respect other opinions, but simply don't agree with fenced hunts. hunting is very important to me. shooting is not. when i kill my next animal, and all previous, it will be me against him, on his turf, on his terms. simple as that. [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! There are so many issues involved here that it becomes one tangled mess. One thing is certain, the anti-hunters will do anything they can to whittle away at our hunting privileges. Notice I said privileges. We are granted the privilege to hunt through licensing procedures. That privilege can be easily taken away, as we are greatly out numbered by non-hunters. Our existence as hunters is not in the hands of the anti-hunters, but instead, it is in the hands of those millions of people who are sitting on the fence. Which way they will fall, should it come to a vote, will be in the perception they have of hunting. The best way we can give them a positive perception of hunting is to present a "fair chase" view of hunting. Hunting on a high fenced piece of property, no matter how large, by watching over a feeder or looking down a road littered with corn/grain probably does not present a positive image of hunting. Forget about the anti-hunters, you will not change them, and instead try to look at it from the point of view of a person with neutral feelings on the subject. What do you think they see or feel when they see high fenced hunting situations or are confronted with an in your face attitude like that of Ted Nugent? While the "in your face" attitude may be a good idea when dealing directly with an anti-hunter, it will more than likely turn the non hunter against us. As hunters we should work together to present a positive image of hunting. That does not mean we have to agree with all means of hunting, but we need not be attacking the way other hunters pursue their sport. We do need to be aware of how our actions are perceived, and those of us who are regularly in the spot light (Jimmy Houston) who make one (maybe one?) bad choice can have a major impact on the opinions non-hunters have of us. The sticking together idea can be a pretty stiff order when you look at some of what is happening in the hunting world. It is a shame that greed and fame have such an influence on the world we live in. It is also a shame that we as humans have so much time on our hands that we can have a life's ambition of trying to control what other people do just because we do not agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest finsnfur Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! [ QUOTE ] It is also a shame that we as humans have so much time on our hands that we can have a life's ambition of trying to control what other people do just because we do not agree with it. [/ QUOTE ] nicely put elkoholic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] brian, i agree with tg. here. if a" canned" hunt is on only a few acres. i deplore it. if the canned hunt is on 10,000 acres or more, i just wouldn't do it. i'm strictly a spot & stalk, free range guy. i do respect other opinions, but simply don't agree with fenced hunts. hunting is very important to me. shooting is not. when i kill my next animal, and all previous, it will be me against him, on his turf, on his terms. simple as that. [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. [/ QUOTE ] Just playing Devil's advocate here...what about a 10,000 acre island with a population of deer, moose, bear...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! A High fence does not constitute a "canned" hunt necessarily.. That said...we surely do have to pull together on this and stop the poorly run operations and keep our hunting heritage strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! i personaly think if you hunt fenced ranches you should just go by your meat from the store. I dont like them i dont like the idea of it. A fence is a fence designed to keep the game within an area, I am for free range. How does someone put up a fence and say all the animals belong to them? I support hunting but dont support fenced or canned hutning] and never will. Oh by the way i am a neilson rating household so my opion does count and I dont watch hunting if it is in a fenced area or a guide service that does so please take note prof. hunters making videos. I do research on alot of the guide services on videos to understand as much as possible about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: We need to stick together on this one!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] brian, i agree with tg. here. if a" canned" hunt is on only a few acres. i deplore it. if the canned hunt is on 10,000 acres or more, i just wouldn't do it. i'm strictly a spot & stalk, free range guy. i do respect other opinions, but simply don't agree with fenced hunts. hunting is very important to me. shooting is not. when i kill my next animal, and all previous, it will be me against him, on his turf, on his terms. simple as that. [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. [/ QUOTE ] Just playing Devil's advocate here...what about a 10,000 acre island with a population of deer, moose, bear...? [/ QUOTE ] You are talking about apples and oranges. The animals can swim from an island. They can,t get over a fence, when the sole perpose of that fence is to keep the animals inside of it., so they can be hunted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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