MCH Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Last week, Jimmy spoke at a Chamber banquet in a neighboring town. He failed to mention Bellar ranch and his involvement although at the end of the speech he warned hunter's to watch out for PETA. He said, "PETA was after him big time." and "He was in the fight of is life against them."??????? Can everyone see where this is going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston Oh yeah, apparently, every one of us hunters who disagree with him for hunting in a small pen, laughing at deer running into fences, apparently are members of PETA. What a joke Jimmy Houston is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] Oh yeah, apparently, every one of us hunters who disagree with him for hunting in a small pen, laughing at deer running into fences, apparently are members of PETA. What a joke Jimmy Houston is. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Jimmy is accusing everyone who's voiced an opinion against him as being in PETA. I'm guessing he didn't take questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Oh yeah, apparently, every one of us hunters who disagree with him for hunting in a small pen, laughing at deer running into fences, apparently are members of PETA. What a joke Jimmy Houston is. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Jimmy is accusing everyone who's voiced an opinion against him as being in PETA. I'm guessing he didn't take questions. [/ QUOTE ] I'm surprised he had an audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] Last week, Jimmy spoke at a Chamber banquet in a neighboring town. He failed to mention Bellar ranch and his involvement although at the end of the speech he warned hunter's to watch out for PETA. He said, "PETA was after him big time." and "He was in the fight of is life against them."??????? Can everyone see where this is going? [/ QUOTE ] I wish this would go away from here for ppl who want to boycot him you ppl sure do bring his stuff up ... I cant possible forget about him if you keep bringing this stupid incident up ... his involvement? ... he hunted there its not like he sponsored the place sheesh you ppl need to lighten up ... he already did everything he could do with the letter now let it go seriously it rediculous you ppl keep bringing this up. there is nothing else he can do he appologized .... What more could any of you do if you were cought in a situation like that ... you couldnt do anymore and neither could he... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertip_co Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston I'm not much of a fenced hunter, a lot of my wealthier friends are though, but I read that the place was 1400 acres. Thats not real small. And it is larger than my own 1.099 acre ranch. Also I read that Jimmy testified for the PROSECUTION and wasnt charged or implicted in the case. If the lawdogs eve thot he was guilty they woudl have had and put paer on him, thats the way the system works. I think the mods need to make this Jimmy thing go away. Personally I dont like the guy, ever since the days of his 'count coup' hunting show where he stalked but never shot or or took game. It was a dumb show and I think he is also. But it seems he is still innocent of this fenced hunt deal til he's proven guilty. And that isnt going to happen it seems. So let's talk about hunting here, and not hosers. Heck we don't still get mad a Bill Jorden for being best friends with US Outfitters do we? As they told Tom Horn - " let this thing lie down now..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Last week, Jimmy spoke at a Chamber banquet in a neighboring town. He failed to mention Bellar ranch and his involvement although at the end of the speech he warned hunter's to watch out for PETA. He said, "PETA was after him big time." and "He was in the fight of is life against them."??????? Can everyone see where this is going? [/ QUOTE ] I wish this would go away from here for ppl who want to boycot him you ppl sure do bring his stuff up ... I cant possible forget about him if you keep bringing this stupid incident up ... his involvement? ... he hunted there its not like he sponsored the place sheesh you ppl need to lighten up ... he already did everything he could do with the letter now let it go seriously it rediculous you ppl keep bringing this up. there is nothing else he can do he appologized .... What more could any of you do if you were cought in a situation like that ... you couldnt do anymore and neither could he... [/ QUOTE ] 1. We are not going to sweep it under the rug. 2. We don,t want him or anyone else to forget. 3. He never hunted. He killed a deer in a pen. 4. He never owned up an appologized to real hunters. 5. I would not be caught in that situation. I hunt fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] there is nothing else he can do he appologized .... [/ QUOTE ] Apologized for what, apologized for shooting a deer in a small fenced in area where the deer were running into the fences trying either to get away from something OR because they were doped on something. No, he apologized for none of that. The only thing he apologized for was actually hunting there and then claims that PETA is out to get him and continuosly blames his bad judgement on somebody else. But, according to him and his wife, he did go out there in 30 degree weather, so I guess that makes it OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] Also I read that Jimmy testified for the PROSECUTION and wasnt charged or implicted in the case. If the lawdogs eve thot he was guilty they woudl have had and put paer on him, thats the way the system works. [/ QUOTE ] Thats what you call a plea bargain. See, someone who is most likely guilty will make a bargain with the prosecution in exchange for immunity. [ QUOTE ] I think the mods need to make this Jimmy thing go away. [/ QUOTE ] Why? It's a free and open forum. As long as it doesn't get carried away and we stick to the issue of Jimmy Houston hunting in a small enclosed area and then dragging the deer out and posing with it as a free range deer, well, it will stay on here as long as it gets replies. You don't have to click on the thread if you don't like people bringing Jimmy's unethical action up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] I'm not much of a fenced hunter, a lot of my wealthier friends are though, but I read that the place was 1400 acres. Thats not real small. And it is larger than my own 1.099 acre ranch. [/ QUOTE ] Have you ever seen a deer in a wild setting try escape by running into a fence when supposedly there are 1400 acres to escape to? [ QUOTE ] Also I read that Jimmy testified for the PROSECUTION and wasnt charged or implicted in the case. If the lawdogs eve thot he was guilty they woudl have had and put paer on him, thats the way the system works. [/ QUOTE ] I don't feel he's guilty of a crime. I just don't feel he's entitled to make a great income pawning himself as an ethical sportsman, "outsmarting the elusive whitetail", after watching that video. Remember, Sammy the Bull testified against John Gotti. [ QUOTE ] Personally I dont like the guy, ever since the days of his 'count coup' hunting show where he stalked but never shot or or took game. It was a dumb show and I think he is also. But it seems he is still innocent of this fenced hunt deal til he's proven guilty. And that isnt going to happen it seems. [/ QUOTE ] What do you mean by innocent? Are you saying he didn't shoot that buck in the corner of that pen? [ QUOTE ] Heck we don't still get mad a Bill Jorden for being best friends with US Outfitters do we? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not real familiar with US Outfitters. Do they have people shoot animals in 6 acre pens? If so, please let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] I think the mods need to make this Jimmy thing go away. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't really know where to start...so I choose this quote. First of all, I can't even begin to follow the logic of people who think this should be forgotten. Secondly, now some of you want the mods to delete posts about this topic....I'm speechless. Since this is a public hunting forum, you think the members should be allowed to discuss a situation that puts our reputations and freedoms as hunters at risk. His selfish actions have brought so much negative attention to the sport we love and everyone who participates in it....even those who think Houston deserves a free pass. What he did was unethical, unlawful, and inexcusable...period. Please don't mistake his lame effort to cover his own tail, as anything other than that. He was insincere, and he doesn't care about what you think about him....the only thing he's worried about losing is this....$$$$$$$$..... Wake up people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointing_dogs_rule Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1. We are not going to sweep it under the rug. 2. We don,t want him or anyone else to forget. 3. He never hunted. He killed a deer in a pen. 4. He never owned up an appologized to real hunters. 5. I would not be caught in that situation. I hunt fair. [/ QUOTE ] Just because he was NOT charged with a crime does not make it right (ethical). A very bad standard to set for hunters and future hunters. Good luck to all the dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Oh yeah, apparently, every one of us hunters who disagree with him for hunting in a small pen, laughing at deer running into fences, apparently are members of PETA. What a joke Jimmy Houston is. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Jimmy is accusing everyone who's voiced an opinion against him as being in PETA. I'm guessing he didn't take questions. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I guess you could say that he is calling us PETA but my initial thoughts were that he was throwing out the PETA card to garner support from local sportsman. When in actuallity, the majority of his complaints have probably come from sportsmen like you and I. You see, if I were to run into one of the guys that attended the seminar and I mentioned how I felt about Jimmy Houston, I guarantee you that they would come to his defense. Without even knowing the whole story, they would side with him just for the fact that PETA is involved. I realize I probably shouldn't have resurrected this topic as it will inevitably be locked, but I just saw how Jimmy was handling his problem, and I didn't like it. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston Yeah, for those who want this to just go away why dont you go join peta because by you ignorance to this Jimmy Houston problem you are doing exactly what peta would like> So thanks but no thanks what he did is unethical and puts hunting in a bad spot light where others have tried so hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston Folks, no mods are going to make this go away. This speaks to the truth of the situation, and we aren't about to try and hide the truth. People feel betrayed and I don't blame them, but let's keep this civil. Post your opinions on Jimmy Houston, but do NOT attack each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] there is nothing else he can do he appologized .... [/ QUOTE ] Apologized for what, apologized for shooting a deer in a small fenced in area where the deer were running into the fences trying either to get away from something OR because they were doped on something. No, he apologized for none of that. The only thing he apologized for was actually hunting there and then claims that PETA is out to get him and continuosly blames his bad judgement on somebody else. But, according to him and his wife, he did go out there in 30 degree weather, so I guess that makes it OK. [/ QUOTE ] First of all I dont know where to begin with everything you just said here that is wrong ... he did appologize you obviously never read the letter ... he TESTIFIED it was a doped deer and he also TESTIFIED it wasn't in a "pen" the meat was TESTED by the government and found to be clean of any drugs.... he shot a deer in a high fenced area thats all I can see he did wrong and I challenge you to prove FACTUAL that he did anything other then that ... You cannot prove the size of area he was hunting in the video and you cant prove the deer was doped ... just because of what the rancher did on other hunts doesnt mean that its what he did on this hunt ... YOu guys basically are hanging this guy for hunting a HIGH FENCED area ... Nobody and I mean Nobody can prove the size of the area he was hunting ... the Federal Government didnt charge him because there wasnt anything to charge him with ... there wasnt a PLEA deal or anything like that made they simply didnt charge him because just maye legally he didnt do anything wrong ... ethically yes legally no .... Im so glad that everyone here can linch up a person for a mistake ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted February 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston I'll agree that I can't prove the size of the pen, but on the video, I saw 3 sides of the fence and that along with Bellar Ranch's own admissions gave me the impression that the penned in area wasn't much more than 3 acres. To me, what he did was wrong and now, the way he's handling the situation is also wrong. The gentleman I talked to that attended the banquet sympathized with Jimmy. But after I explained the "rest of the story" to him and showed him the video, he had a different outlook. The sympathy was gone. I value your opinion Steve and I'm not trying to sway you. And you're right, legally he didn't do anything wrong. But hopefully, this case will bring this issue to light and in the near future what Jimmy did will be illegal. Anyway, guys, please keep this thread clean and civil or it will be locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston When I read both Jimmy and Chris Houstons' statement, I certainly don't get the impression either is an apology. Many excuses, the word apologize is there, but those are certainly not remorseful statements. Personally, I find it impossible to feel sorry for them. He had to know better than to be there and could have refused to shoot that buck. As long as Jimmy refuses to admit he did something that the vast majority of sportsmen find extremely offensive, he's going to remain a target of those sportsmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] he TESTIFIED it was a doped deer and he also TESTIFIED it wasn't in a "pen" the meat was TESTED by the government and found to be clean of any drugs.... [/ QUOTE ] So was the deer doped or was it not. He testified that it was according to you so that makes him an unethical sportsman in my opinion, and what is testing the meat supposed to prove. If the deer was doped that morning, are the drugs going to permeate the system that quickly as to affect the whole deer, or only it's brain and motor funtions, which is what drugs do. Apparently he also testified that it wasn't in a pen, well, he was hunting high fenced, which is unethical IMHO, not to mention the fact that if this "high fenced, non-penned area was a couple thousand acres, what was he doing in the corner of it, that's also unethical IMHO. Also, on what kind of a hunt do you go to, where there are more deer in a 100 square foot area than most of us have seen in a lifetime of hunting, what makes them run back and forth into a fence, and what kind of a hunter, when they are hunting free ranging, wild deer where silence is of utmost importance, stands there laughing and joking with his camerman while the deer are in the area? Could be that Jimmy has found a new secret to hunting. [ QUOTE ] he shot a deer in a high fenced area thats all I can see he did wrong and I challenge you to prove FACTUAL that he did anything other then that ... [/ QUOTE ] And I challenge you to prove otherwise. [ QUOTE ] the Federal Government didnt charge him because there wasnt anything to charge him with ... there wasnt a PLEA deal or anything like that made they simply didnt charge him because just maye legally he didnt do anything wrong ... [/ QUOTE ] I could care less if the federal government charged him with anything. What he did was unethical and a slap in the face to every ethical responsible hunter out there. P.S.- I did read the letters from Jimmy and his wife and I thought they were a joke. 90% of both letters were both of them talking about either how cold it was, what time he got up in the tree, the fact that this Bellar fellow came and visited him while he was out there (sounds like a real quiet, normal hunt where you would want sound and scent kept to a minimum), and how PETA and Anti-Hunting groups are going after him when in reality it is the majority of hunters getting after him. He also claims in his letter on his forum that he never had a picture posted on his website of that deer when in fact he did, but he didn't have the pic taken in front of the fence he shot the deer at, he drug it out in the open and tried to pass it off as a free ranging deer. P.P.S.- Are you Jimmy Houston, because you sure are defending him pretty hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] the Federal Government didnt charge him because there wasnt anything to charge him with ... there wasnt a PLEA deal or anything like that made they simply didnt charge him because just maye legally he didnt do anything wrong ... [/ QUOTE ] How do you know there wasn't a plea bargain in place? Maybe that's why he wasn't charged......he turned state's evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston Here is an interesting statement that was in last Sunday's DAILY OKLAHOMAN concerning this very topic. If I could get a quote of it, I sure would. Jimmy plainly stated in that article that he WOULD continue to hunt in high fenced operations. So hwta does that say about the man? I'll let you all decide that. Please don't think I am making this up, because I am not, I can assure you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston Here is the story as published in The Daily Oklahoman Hunting video threatens to tarnish Jimmy Houston's image By Ed Godfrey The Oklahoman Jimmy Houston's reputation came under fire this week after an Internet video surfaced which accused him of participating in a "canned" hunt more than two years ago in Indiana. What do you think? Is hunting behind a high fence ethical? What do you think of the Jimmy Houston video? If you have an opinion to share, email [email protected] or call (405) 475-3159. Houston denies knowingly doing anything wrong, but did issue an apology Tuesday on his Web Site to those angered by the video. "Yes, had we known then what we know now, we would not have hunted there but that's why hindsight is 20-20," Houston said on his Web site. "Was it wrong for me to hunt there? Absolutely! "Obviously, this letter won't satisfy everyone, particularly those anti-hunters whose desire is to keep this on the front burners and watch Jimmy burn. They love nothing more than making hunters attack hunters. "But, to the real hunters who read this, I apologize for any hurt or disappointment I have caused you." The owner of the high-fence commercial hunting operation where Houston was hunting, Russ Bellar of Peru, Ind., pleaded guilty last year to federal wildlife violations. He is now serving one year in prison and also was ordered to pay fines and restitution of more than $500,000. In the video, which was part of Bellar's trial, Houston is shown hunting whitetails from a tree stand in an alleged 6-acre pen with bait scattered throughout the leaves. Houston, a pro bass fisherman and outdoors celebrity from Cookson, said he is unsure of the size of the area where he was hunting but knows it was much larger than six acres as stated in the video. "We were hunting right by a high fence. We didn't try to hide it," Houston told The Oklahoman. "That alone will crucify you with a lot of hunters. We never did see any end of the fence we were hunting beside. It could have been 50 (acres). It could have been 500 (acres). I don't know." Houston said Bellar did scatter some corn and deer feed in the area on the morning of his hunt. But Houston said he was unaware that baiting was illegal in Indiana. "I didn't think anything about that," he said. "It's perfectly legal in Oklahoma and other states." Houston was not charged with any crime or cited for any game violations by Indiana authorities. Bellar, a friend of Houston, was accused in a 38-count indictment in 2004 of allowing high paying clients to kill sedated deer. Bellar also was accused of allowing unlicensed hunters to use illegal weapons and bait to hunt big bucks. The prices charged were $4,000 to $20,000 per buck and some deer were tranquilized and moved to small fenced-in pens for customers to choose their own trophy bucks, federal prosecutors alleged. Reversal drugs were then used to wake up deer so they could be hunted, the indictment states. Houston said he was unaware of any drugging of animals. Investigators asked to test the meat from the whitetail that Houston killed on Bellar's farm and no drugs were found, he said. Houston, along with other customers of Bellar's (including country singer Ronnie Dunn), was a government witness at Bellar's trial last year. Bellar struck a deal with prosecutors and pleaded guilty to three counts before the trial ended. But the video evidence from the trial wasn't posted on the Internet until about two weeks ago by the National Wildlife Federation. Houston said he first learned of the video when one of his sponsors, Mothwing Camo, started receiving angry e-mails 10 days ago. The video on the Internet is narrated by Brian Preston, an official of the National Wildlife Federation (NWF). Preston said the video was posted on the Internet not to attack Houston, but to make people aware of the growing problems with captive deer and elk herds and commercialized hunting. "We are trying to send a message that this is a terrible industry," Preston said of high-fence enclosures. "Jimmy Houston made a mistake. I'm sure he's under a lot of pressure to produce good television. How much he knew and didn't know, that's between him and his public." Preston said what is posted on the Internet is only a fraction of the hours of video that investigators have in their possession from Bellar's operation. What is shown on the Internet is tame compared to other footage and does not misrepresent Houston's hunt, he said. "The undercover agent testified that it was a 6-acre pen," Preston said. The NWF opposes high-fence operations but does support recreational hunting , he said. "We oppose any fence or structure that impedes wildlife movement. The fact is, when you put a fence up, you have stolen wildlife from the public," Preston said. "(Recreational hunting) is the backbone of our organization. It's a tool to manage wildlife." Houston said he shot a 6½-year-old or 7½-year old buck at Bellar's farm after being in a tree stand for more than four hours in 20-degree weather. The buck was chasing a doe at the time, he said. Hundreds of deer were on Bellar's place at the time, and nothing seemed unusual other than the cold weather, he said. Houston said he cooperated fully with the authorities and decided not to air footage of the hunt on his televison show upon learning of the investigation. Hundreds of other people also hunted at the ranch, but he was the only person singled out by the video, he said. Houston told The Oklahoman that sponsors are standing by him and that he has received as many e-mails of support as e-mails criticizing him. Houston said he would hunt at other high-fence commercial operations in the future. "What is so hurting about this is some people are trying to destroy a 30-year reputation and everything I have done," he said. "I spent my life trying to do good for people and there are folks out there who want to crucify me, and obviously they are having fun at that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] Houston said Bellar did scatter some corn and deer feed in the area on the morning of his hunt. But Houston said he was unaware that baiting was illegal in Indiana. "I didn't think anything about that," he said. "It's perfectly legal in Oklahoma and other states." [/ QUOTE ] That's a crook...I think he better read the regulations again and this time slower... It is illegal hunt over baited areas here Oklahoma... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest colohntr Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston Whether the deer was doped or not it was in a enclosed pen, not big enough for the deer to have a fair chance to get away. It is unethical, unfair and what does that say about his hunting ability. He has to hunt a trapped animal to succeed. I'm not saying at some point and time he should'nt be forgiven, (only if he is truly sorry), but it should never be forgotten. I gaurantee PETA won't forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Re: More on Jimmy Houston [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] he TESTIFIED it was a doped deer and he also TESTIFIED it wasn't in a "pen" the meat was TESTED by the government and found to be clean of any drugs.... [/ QUOTE ] So was the deer doped or was it not. He testified that it was according to you so that makes him an unethical sportsman in my opinion, and what is testing the meat supposed to prove. If the deer was doped that morning, are the drugs going to permeate the system that quickly as to affect the whole deer, or only it's brain and motor funtions, which is what drugs do. Apparently he also testified that it wasn't in a pen, well, he was hunting high fenced, which is unethical IMHO, not to mention the fact that if this "high fenced, non-penned area was a couple thousand acres, what was he doing in the corner of it, that's also unethical IMHO. Also, on what kind of a hunt do you go to, where there are more deer in a 100 square foot area than most of us have seen in a lifetime of hunting, what makes them run back and forth into a fence, and what kind of a hunter, when they are hunting free ranging, wild deer where silence is of utmost importance, stands there laughing and joking with his camerman while the deer are in the area? Could be that Jimmy has found a new secret to hunting. [ QUOTE ] he shot a deer in a high fenced area thats all I can see he did wrong and I challenge you to prove FACTUAL that he did anything other then that ... [/ QUOTE ] And I challenge you to prove otherwise. [ QUOTE ] the Federal Government didnt charge him because there wasnt anything to charge him with ... there wasnt a PLEA deal or anything like that made they simply didnt charge him because just maye legally he didnt do anything wrong ... [/ QUOTE ] I could care less if the federal government charged him with anything. What he did was unethical and a slap in the face to every ethical responsible hunter out there. P.S.- I did read the letters from Jimmy and his wife and I thought they were a joke. 90% of both letters were both of them talking about either how cold it was, what time he got up in the tree, the fact that this Bellar fellow came and visited him while he was out there (sounds like a real quiet, normal hunt where you would want sound and scent kept to a minimum), and how PETA and Anti-Hunting groups are going after him when in reality it is the majority of hunters getting after him. He also claims in his letter on his forum that he never had a picture posted on his website of that deer when in fact he did, but he didn't have the pic taken in front of the fence he shot the deer at, he drug it out in the open and tried to pass it off as a free ranging deer. P.P.S.- Are you Jimmy Houston, because you sure are defending him pretty hard? [/ QUOTE ] Was was a typo it clearly says it wasnt a doped deer.... I didnt defend him I think it rediculous you guys arent looking at the whole story just the parts you dont agree with ... I dont have to prove other wise since there no evidence he even did it in the first place ... thats how it works .... I dont draw conclusions on hear say much like the most of you ... I just state the facts.... No I am not Jimmy Houston nor would I hunt like him or do what he did ... for him to say he will hunt high fences ... umm check out Texas now adays there are many many many High fenced ranches that many pro hunt they might be thousands of acres and they might not be ... I wont draw a opinion on that until its proven other waise ... How do you know there wasn't a plea bargain in place? Maybe that's why he wasn't charged......he turned state's evidence. Because nobody said there was and the way this story has been torn to opieces and micro managed I would certainly say that would have come out... there again you would be jumping to copnclusions and assuming something that isnt factual ... I am not assuming I was again stating fact and what I know from what was said ... the facts are very clear everyone else just reads into what they seem ... thats the onlypart of this that discust me ... So from all this I am to assume that a High fenced hunt would be unethical if I fenced off 1500 acres in southern Iowa to keep my Bucks from wondering off? And to manage my deer heard ... certainly a 7 acre pen would be silly but how bout a 1500 or larger fenced area ... I hunted 40 acres with 3 other hunters and in one year my brother shot a 208 his buddy shot a 150 class and Scott my buddy shot a 150 class buck all in the same year out of the same 40 acres ... it wasnt high fenced but it certainly wasnt very big for 4 hunters either to be sharing .... You guys should stick to the facts .... Sorry about the typo slughunter the correct word I meant was "wasn't" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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