Guest Andrea Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Seems the Supreme Court will now review the ban on partial birth abortion. With the 2 newly appointed Republican justices I have a feeling that this method of abortion will be ruled unconstitutional and put into law. I disagree with abortion..... ESPECIALLY this method. It is barbaric and totally uncalled for. It it NEVER necessary. EVER. Even to protect the mother's health. story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I've told this story on here befor so I'll give you the short version. On the day that my daughter was born in 1997 she was 8 weeks premature. My wife was diagnosed with eclampsia, accute toximia. The placinta ruptured and my wife was hemoraging badly. This is the argument for the partial birth abortion. When doing this method, labor is induced in the mother, which could take 3-5 hours. Then the baby is then delivered breach and ........then the bad stuff happens. I'm not going to describe it in the enterest of good tast. This entire proceedure can take up to 7 hours while the mother is still hemoriging. When my wife hemmoriged, the doctors said the fastest way to save my wifes life (she was bleeding to death) was to take the baby "C" section. The hemorage began at 9:35 AM, and my daughter was born at 10:01 AM perfectly healthy, but small. So my wife lost blood for 26 minutes instead of the 5-8hours that a mother in a partial birth abortion would have. Up untill the time of her birth she could legally have been aborted. My wife was a textbook case that the abortion rights advocites use. They are wrong. Partial birth abortion has no real medical use and is murder, pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I am more than disgusted at Partial Birth Abortion. It is wrong and will forever be wrong. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law John, I couldn't agree with you more. Partial birth abortion (and really abortion in general) is abhorrant, but I don't think that's what the Supreme Court will be looking at. At least I hope not. What I want them to look at is the law that is written and the U.S. Constitution. And that is all they should be considering. Not whether some practice, in this case partial birth abortion, is something incredibly distasteful or even whether it's something that has support from a majority of U.S. citizens. Just look at the law and the Constitution and determine if it's legal. After all, it was a previous Supreme Court ignoring the Constitution that gave us abortion on demand in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I remember something in the preable of the constitution about everyone haveing the right to "Life Liberty and the persuit of happiness". I would think that sence "life" is first then it would take precidence over the other two when in conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbowman Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law What makes me sick are those who want to do this(Partial Birth Abortion) and call this a civilized nation. It is totally barbaric, its like they want to go back to the Dark Ages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKYhunter Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law All of you guys are right. It's murder pure and simple as is ALL abortion. I am a registered Democrat and it makes me SICK that many in my party support this ungodly garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I've heard stories of the babies trying to squirm thier way out of the "Doctor's" grasp during the "proceedure". I don't see how they could live with themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law [ QUOTE ] All of you guys are right. It's murder pure and simple as is ALL abortion. I am a registered Democrat and it makes me SICK that many in my party support this ungodly garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] You know there was a time when the Democratic party were the "Good Christian" peopel. The problem is that much of the older generation don't see the party for what it has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKYhunter Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I see it for what's it's becoming and I'm 34. This abortion crap is sickening. God knew us before he formed us in the womb. I just don't get how people can support killing babys. I've got a six year old and a two month old. I just can't see supporting this trash!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law All abotions are wrong in my veiw, if they are induced for any other reason other than saving the mothers life. end of story,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest INHunterman Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law [ QUOTE ] All of you guys are right. It's murder pure and simple as is ALL abortion. I am a registered Democrat and it makes me SICK that many in my party support this ungodly garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] I'd change parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKYhunter Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law Not to get off the main topic here (Abortion) but I've thought about switching but you know in the local politics here where I live no democrats support any type of abortion. Sometimes I feel like the Democratic party has been hijacked by the likes of Kennedy, Feinstein, and Hillary. The Dems that I know don't support abortion, gay rights, gun control, etc. I think it's a vocal minority that seems to set the agenda or platform. I do not support the president or his policies such as tax cuts for the rich, cutting things like student loans, medicare benefits, cutting monies that go to grants for things like local law enforcement, the war, letting UAE run our ports, etc... So I guess what I'm saying is I don't believe in many things that the Republicans believe on a national level. Guess I'm caught in between! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law [ QUOTE ] Not to get off the main topic here (Abortion) but I've thought about switching but you know in the local politics here where I live no democrats support any type of abortion. Sometimes I feel like the Democratic party has been hijacked by the likes of Kennedy, Feinstein, and Hillary. The Dems that I know don't support abortion, gay rights, gun control, etc. I think it's a vocal minority that seems to set the agenda or platform. I do not support the president or his policies such as tax cuts for the rich, cutting things like student loans, medicare benefits, cutting monies that go to grants for things like local law enforcement, the war, letting UAE run our ports, etc... So I guess what I'm saying is I don't believe in many things that the Republicans believe on a national level. Guess I'm caught in between! [/ QUOTE ] Only the Presidents laws and beliefs are not inhumane and cruel. Just a thought, but you may want to become a Elephant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exturkinator Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law This "to save a mothers life" argument is hype - it's used by pro-choice advocates as a touchy-feely emotional, seemingly non-debatable, justification for abortion. It is hype - the number of mothers who have "life-saving" abortion is essentially non-existent. I predict that not a single person on this forum personally knows a mother whose life was saved by an abortion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law [ QUOTE ] Not to get off the main topic here (Abortion) but I've thought about switching but you know in the local politics here where I live no democrats support any type of abortion. Sometimes I feel like the Democratic party has been hijacked by the likes of Kennedy, Feinstein, and Hillary. [/ QUOTE ] and Michael More, Rosanne Bar, Barbra Streisand......... and a complete cast of Godless Hollywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law [ QUOTE ] I predict that not a single person on this forum personally knows a mother whose life was saved by an abortion.... [/ QUOTE ] See my first post for reply. I was watching fox news last night and they claimed that the vast majority of the medical field agrees that this type abortion is not the way to save anyones life. It is simply "a late term abortion option" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I think partial birth abortion is abhorrent and don't necessarily agree with abortion in general. It will be interesting to see how this new "conservative" court will decide certain cases. I read the other day that they ruled that a New Mexico church can continue using an illegal hallucinogenic drug in their services because it is used for religious purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law I do not agree with abortion as a method of birth control period. I am very against the idea of murdering an unborn child. The only situations IMO that may constitute a need for abortion are those situations where rape victims have become pregnant, and situations where it is ruled by physicians that the babies life and or the mothers life would be terminated if the baby was not aborted. In other words the only abortions that should take place are for victims of rape, and those should take place very early on. For those mothers who would ultimately die if the baby was not taken, it may be used a last resort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law Here's one argument that nobody will ever win and folks with a holier then thou attitude are the ones that never let it go. I'm so tired of the argument. It's all up to the mother and that's final. You don't like it? TOUGH. You have a lifetime to get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law Well I certainly ain't no "Holier then thou attitude" kind of person and I think it's wrong. We have a lifetime to get over it but it's a shame that the unborn child being murdered doesn't have that amount of time to get over it. I think they ought to make it nation wide that it's illegal and the people that don't like it, well that's just "tough" for them. Just my 02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law [ QUOTE ] It's all up to the mother and that's final. You don't like it? TOUGH. You have a lifetime to get over it. [/ QUOTE ] LMBO...no, I don't think that's final. Ever since the fetus, inside a womans body, was redefined as "the womans body", instead of "an independant individual inside her body", it will never be "final". And I don't have to get over it. The ol' adage "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" is for apes, not people. [ QUOTE ] "Holier then thou attitude" [/ QUOTE ] It has little to do with a "Holier then thou attitude" and more to do with common sense, and of course that dirty little word called "LOVE". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law Since they've determined a fetus to not be a living being until after the first trimester, there's no argument here.......this issue deals with the first trimester so it's not murder and therefor no lifetime is granted to the fetus. I just don't see how anyone can sit in judgement over others the way people do over this issue. Kind of hypocritical don't ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law Not hypocritical at all [ QUOTE ] Since they've determined a fetus to not be a living being until after the first trimester, there's no argument here [/ QUOTE ] Who's "they", because I don't agree with "they" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Re: Partial birth abortion law The courts year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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