johnf Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? I believe the question is should it be legal. The answer is simple. If terrain, available forage, density of vegitation (too brushy) and deer population hinder the ability to properly manage the deer population then baiting should be legal. If those conditions are not present then I still think it should be legel for young, old or disabled hunters reguardless of the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? If it is legal, I don't care either way. The only time I hunt over bait is in the late bow season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] Most times hunters in states where it is illegal don't agree with it, because they're jealous of the states where it's legal. Watch to see a state legalize it and watch deer hunters run to find the nearest place to buy corn. [/ QUOTE ] Then explain it here in Vermont. It was legal to bait, and the hunters didn't want to see CWD in our state so we pushed through the F&W and had it outlawed. Kind of shoots that theory of your's right in the butt. If you want to supplement the deer herd, then plant food plots big enough to sustain them through the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? Some baiters claim that their activities are more for feeding deer than actual hunting enhancements. At any rate, the impacts of baiting are so similar to the impacts of feeding, that I found this DEC article on feeding to be kind of appropriate. The following is what the NY DEC has to say about feeding: Although it may appear to be a simple act, feeding deer in the winter can be an especially difficult endeavor to do correctly. Deer are ruminants, similar to cows, and have complex digestive processes. They have multi-chambered stomachs and rely upon micro-organisms, instead of digestive juices to break down food so that nutrients can be absorbed. The types and concentrations of the micro-organisms are specific for various food types. What might work well to digest woody browse will not digest supplemental foods such as corn or other grains. If there are any changes in a deer's diet, it can take up to several weeks for the culture of the micro-organisms to adjust to the newly introduced food. Deer may readily consume new foods, but in fact receive little nutrition for an extended period of time. During the winter period, deer digestive systems are normally set up to digest their regular diet of woody browse, twig tips and buds. Food provided to them by browse cutting provides nourishment with no delay or lag in receiving energy from the food. As a result, the cutting of hardwood, and in some cases softwood browse has been a long standing recommendation for those concerned about deer survival in the winter. In light of the new concerns for the introduction and spread of CWD, browse cutting is even more acceptable because the risks normally associated with artificial foods and high deer concentrations are greatly reduced. In addition, to providing immediate nutrition, the long term benefits of browse cutting can also result in improvement of the overall deer winter habitat. Concerns for the possible introduction and spread of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) have resulted in the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation enacting regulations to restrict the feeding of deer. The regulations as described by 6NYCRR Part 189 prohibit many of the traditional deer feeding practices that occur in parts of NY. The use of commercial foods which are enhanced by animal protein additives that may or could contain CWD infectious agents are a concern. These products are banned for feeding all ruminants, including deer, cattle, sheep and goats. Additionally, any feeding practices which may result in deer confined to feeding sites increases the likelihood of the transfer of CWD by muzzle to muzzle contact between animals. This practice can also result in feed contamination with feces and urine, and further spread diseases, including CWD. Activities which neither concentrate deer or do not routinely replenish food supplies are acceptable and allowed under the CWD regulations because they have much lower levels of risk. Providing naturally occurring browse or wildlife food plots are included in these low risk activities. ----------------------------------------------------------- I have removed a large section about browse cutting because it is not relevant to this topic. However, the discussion of feeding is pertinant to baiting, in that it really amounts to the same thing, just different motives. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooBear Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? I am glad its not legal here. To me baiting seems more like trapping than hunting. To be fair though, we really dont need to bait here because corn is everywhere. I wouldnt do it even if it was legal but I would not stop anyone else who wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? Pretty much every deer hunter hunts close to a food source. I do not see much difference between a feeder, food plots or a bushel of apples taken and set down. They were put there by man to bring deer in. But that is just me and the way I see it. I am too lazy and cheap to do any of them so I will just hunt deer over a farmer's crops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelNS Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? "feeding deer in the winter " Doc,that article has to do with feeding deer in winter not baiting. I can't see why baiting would even be needed in some places in the states or Canada.There are well over a million deer in some states,I doubt it would be very hard to get a deer.Heck we only have about 50 000 deer here in N.S. and its not hard to get a deer.I can see why baiting in places with large numbers of deer is illegal for fear of spreading some deseases.Even in place with low deer numbers that fear is still present.Someone else said in this thread that DNR biologists would know where baiting is ok to do and the laws are set.If its legal go for it if its not don't do it.Nothing wrong with it and it doesn't make anyone less of a hunter than someone who stalks one down.Its far from a guarantee!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] Most times hunters in states where it is illegal don't agree with it, because they're jealous of the states where it's legal. Watch to see a state legalize it and watch deer hunters run to find the nearest place to buy corn. [/ QUOTE ] Disagree again. It's legal in Ohio, but I tend to disagree with it, just because it's not that effective around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Most times hunters in states where it is illegal don't agree with it, because they're jealous of the states where it's legal. Watch to see a state legalize it and watch deer hunters run to find the nearest place to buy corn. [/ QUOTE ] Disagree again. It's legal in Ohio, but I tend to disagree with it, just because it's not that effective around here. [/ QUOTE ] It illegal here in WV and if it was legal there would be no baiting on our land i can tell you that me and dad wouldnt have it. Just MOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] Most times hunters in states where it is illegal don't agree with it, because they're jealous of the states where it's legal. Watch to see a state legalize it and watch deer hunters run to find the nearest place to buy corn. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree too. It's never been illegal to bait deer here, but you never see any bait piles anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbowhntr Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? Well if you wanted to get real technical about it, any deer attractant would be considered bait. So there for if you are against bait you should not use Tinks or anything of the like. Here in NJ it is legal to hunt over bait. I have no problem putting out some corn or apples to ensure I get a shot at the deer standing still at a comfortable range for me to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] Doc,that article has to do with feeding deer in winter not baiting. [/ QUOTE ] Baiting IS feeding. Exactly the same management principles are involved in both activities. The points made by the DEC in their feeding article are the exact reasons why baiting is illegal in NY. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosdog2 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? So is hunting over a food plot considered baiting? I guess you do plant the plot with hopes of feeding your heard and with hopes of growing bigger/heathier deer, then if you are opposed to hunting over "bait" then would you not ever hunt a food plot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] Some baiters claim that their activities are more for feeding deer than actual hunting enhancements. [/ QUOTE ] If you have to feed supplements like corn to keep the herd healthy then you have too many deer! I feed year round but it's b/c I want to and not that the deer need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] If you have to feed supplements like corn to keep the herd healthy then you have too many deer! I feed year round but it's b/c I want to and not that the deer need it. [/ QUOTE ] Now that's about the most HONEST response I have heard to date on this topic.... THANKS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] So is hunting over a food plot considered baiting? [/ QUOTE ] Actually as has already been pointed out, there are many activities that most of us do that could really be called baiting, and I don't see where food plots would not be considered baiting in a purely technical way. However, most laws regarding baiting draw a much finer definition of what legally constitutes baiting. And, just like bottled deer attractants, food plots are generally left out of these legal definitions. That is why I posted the NY DEC article on deer feeding. The very same herd impacts on deer health and digestion occur whether someone is hunting over a feeder or not, and I think they made their argument very convincingly that it probably is not a real good idea either way. Probably it is not merely a coincidence that in NY both feeding and baiting have been made illegal. Personally, I am running under the assumption that the DEC knows a whole lot more about such things than I do, so their comments on the practice are good enough for me. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? I believe baiting is for those that don't know how to HUNT! Anyone can sit on a pile of corn, apples, etc and kill deer. That's shooting, not hunting. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? [ QUOTE ] I believe baiting is for those that don't know how to HUNT! Anyone can sit on a pile of corn, apples, etc and kill deer. That's shooting, not hunting. IMO [/ QUOTE ] That's garbage, so you're telling me you've never used attractants, decoys, etc. to hunt. What's the difference? You know the deer are going to come to the tink's or a decoy the same way they would come to a corn pile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelNS Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? I agree with you there UCS!!Kind of a harsh and untrue statement,but it is only his opinion and he's entitled to it.Thats how he labels people I guess.Hunters have used food sources to kill their prey for generations.So therefore in his opinion any deer shot while eating something would be considered hunting over bait and considered shooting not hunting?????LOL thats funny.To each his own if its legal so who are we to judge someone else who follows the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? Scent only gets animals to a general area......Corn piles bring them to a specific spot.......huge difference there. Food plots are not baiting as it only brings deer into a general area........if deer show up, you don't know where on the plot they'll be, but with a corn pile they'll be right on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? I've hunted with bait one year and this is what happened. 1. Put the bait pile down within about 50 yards. 2. Wait all day see deer but none go to bait pile. 3. Next moring bait pile gone lots O' tracks. 4. Put more corn & feed on pile. 5. See deer, none go to pile I did this 4 days in a row and spent $25 on 200lbs of deer corn and feed and not a single deer went to the pile between dawn and dusk. The next saturday I went back out to the same spot and shot a doe where the bait pile used to be. When I got to the spot it was just bare ground without a single cernal of corn. She wasn't even browsing, just passing through. I don't use bait any more. Still legal, just don't see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NonTypicalDeerHunter Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? I hunt in minnesota where it's illegal but a lot of people still do it, this last deer season in the outdoor news (a newspaper) every week of the season there was an article about people illegally baiting.....i don't like it i am way more excited to scout an area and harvest a deer with skill not just going out and putting some bait out and then waiting....just my opinion though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iowabowhunter16 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? no way! if they have to use bait to get deer in..then i think they should find a different place to hunt...keep it fair to the deer too...i wouldnt call it hunting to use bait...but this is my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelNS Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? so when you hunt deer in Iowa you don't hunt trails leading into the big cut or uncut corn fields(BAIT)??Do you hunt right on the field itself(bait)???What ever way you want to look at it most all hunters key in on some sort of food source(bait) to harvest their deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Re: should hunting over bait be legal? This is too funny. We've got an entire forum - Land and Wildlife Management - that's basically devoted to developing better ways to bait deer and other game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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