Canadian_Goose Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 What do you think the penalty for rape should be and do you think all rape should be considered the same (ie:viloent rape, date rape, drunken rape, consentual but under age rape etc.). Are there any extenuating (sp?) circumstances to rape? I'm expecting a few violent responses, good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape I think that in the case of the traditional definition, where a man physically forces himself on a woman, either life in prison or execution is warranted. The recidivism rate on sex offenders is astronomical, so that pretty much leaves out any chances at rehabilitation. If a sex offender is ever allowed back into society, odds are he will strike again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape with regards to traditional rape i think your right. There is definately more than "something" that is not right with those guys. Now what about the frat boy who gets a girl all liquered up and she presses charges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape Rape is rape. Whether a woman is attacked in a dark parking lot or the frat boy put something in her drink...it's still the same. She didn't ask for it or expect it....so it's a crime. Penalty should be life or execution. In the case where 2 consentual TEENS get caught and the parents of the girl press charges......then I don't think the penalty should be that harsh, because remember.......it was consentual and their daughter was just as much to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape I think the more violent rapists (pedophiles, rapists that disfigure their victims, rapists that attempt to kill their victims, rapists that commit a long string of multiple rapes, etc.) should be sterilized since some studies like to say there is a gene that causes the more violent forms of rapists. Don't want them passing those genes on if that's the case. It's better to weed them out of the genepool all together. They should then be put in jail for a good long stay, if not a life sentence. If they are placed back in society they should consider thinking up some procedure to make them incapable of sexual activity even if they wanted it. As so far I haven't seen much success with any form of mental therapy that fixes a rapist. They normally commit the crime again sometime in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape I have some conflicting thoughts on the underage thing. If you have a couple teens that have sex then who's raping who if the boy is prosicuted, then the girl should be too. But if you have a 23 year old and a 16 year old, that's an intirely different story. He should know better. If it is consintual, depending on the age of the younger, I'm not sure that the elder should be labled a sex offender. I think the penelty should be harsher the younger the victem is and the further the age difference is between the two. ie an 18 year old who has sex with a 17 year old is not the same as a 25 year old and 12 year old. Not even close IMO. I do think the penilties for forcible rape should be death reguardless of the method of force(bodily or drugging) or the ages of the victem and accused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape Rape is all about power. The traditional Rapest if proven guilty beyond a shodow of doubt, with DNA evidence to back it up, should be castrated and imprisoned for a period of 5 years before execution. This will give him time to come clean with his maker. [ QUOTE ] Now what about the frat boy who gets a girl all liquered up and she presses charges? [/ QUOTE ] Those types of guys are first time rapists as far as I'm concerned. They just don't have the guts yet to admit they are Rapists, and want to hide behind the "we were drunk..Plee"...OR... they have convinced themselves that if they get the girl drunk enough to go along, without making a fuss, it isn't really rape. It's the beginnings of a serious offender. I've got no sympathy for any guy who forces himself on a girl, just becuase she's drunk. If they're both drunk,and just got stupid, then let the courts sort it out with justice and mercy mixed. ..whatever. Drunkenness is a poor excuse. Why can't people have fun, without getting so sloshed to the gills, they lose control of themselves. They need to be accountable. As far as underage consentual (if you can call it that), It would require justice mixed with mercy, depending of course on the age of the offender. That's just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Re: Rape As far as statutory rape goes, that should be dealt with on a case by case basis. It should depend on the situation and the age difference between the two individuals. You have to look at the current teenage population of girls. This whole dressing to look older fad is in right now. There are lots of Britney Spears looking girls that are 16-17 years of age, which look like they are 18 or 19 years old. Some of these girls are sexually active and find it a game to lure in older men that are in the age group of 18 to early 20’s. In these cases I don’t feel sometimes these guys that are in their late teens and early 20’s are true rapists, but more stupid and immature themselves. Sometimes they may be simply rapists just starting into their rapist ways, but other cases they may have just been lured under false pretenses by the girl lying about her age and looking older than her age. I would find anyone over 21 though, even when lured by one of these girls, old enough to be mature enough to know to make absolute sure that those borderline women they pick up that look in their 18’s may not really be as old as they look and to be more cautious about it. Now in the case of the 20+ year olds dating girls that they know are underage and using the excuse she consented to it and wanted it so that makes it okay. That doesn’t fly with me one bit. They should be considered rapists. They should be punished like one. They should know better. The 18 and 19 year old guys it becomes complicated with, because some of these guys were dating these girls back when they themselves were under 17, and the girl was only 1-3 years younger than them. Then the guy hits 18 and now their relationship is illegal all because his girlfriend is just 1-3 years younger than him. I would find that a very complicated situation. I don’t feel those kind of guys would be rapist, but just placed in a doomed situation from the start. Statutory rape is an extremely sticky situation when it involves teenagers in the 16-17 age range and teenagers in the 18-19 age range. It should be dealt with on a case by case basis. There are way too many possible situations that can factor into this crime. Trying to consider them all for this debate would be endlessly tiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Rape good points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Rape I say cut it off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] I think that in the case of the traditional definition, where a man physically forces himself on a woman, either life in prison or execution is warranted. The recidivism rate on sex offenders is astronomical, so that pretty much leaves out any chances at rehabilitation. If a sex offender is ever allowed back into society, odds are he will strike again. [/ QUOTE ] Have to agree with this about rape in the traditional definition. Seems however in this world in this day and age that there are some false allegations made, so it would be crucial for the accused to be found without a doubt guilty of forcing themself or violently carrying out these acts against another before executing them. As for statuatory rape as is pointed out by others, that is a bit different, and should be taken on a case by case. If it is consentual, I do not think that execution is by any means in order, not sure what kind of penalty really would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Rape Moon raises a good point here and takes me back a few years to my freshman year in college. I went to one of my buddies home town for the weekend and we picked up a couple girls at the local county fair. (mistake #1) They looked and really acted old enough. We met them in town later and they were driving a new camaro, and there was a graduation tassle hanging from the rear view miror(a green light back in the day, but not necissarily accurate in this case). Side note-did you know some schools have 8th grade graduation complete with class rings? Ooops. They asked if we wanted the to ride around for awhile. It sounded like a great plan at the time, so they joined us. We soon found ourselves on some back road out in the middle of the country makin smoochy smooch. When things began to get interesting we saw comforting flash of the red and blue. After being questioned by the local fuzz and running our (the guys) DL's the cops then turned their attention to our lovely companions. When they asked them for thier drivers licenses both girls said they didn't have one . The one I was with was 14 and my buddies date was 15. The older had taken her big sisters car (who was off to college ) without her parents permission. We told the cops our story and luckily we hadn't gotten real serious. In our travels we had crossed the county line and the sherif told us to get out of his county and never come back. When we left the girls told us about another place we could go. Both of us "conveyed our dissapointment in their deception" and took them to the younger girls home. Don't know what happened with the car. Don't care. This could have very easily turned out a lot different. Bit of advise for you 18+ guys or the ones that will be soon. Date girls you know are old enough, not the ones you're pretty sure of. BTW. I work in that county now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: Rape john you scoundral you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Re: Rape John how bad. I think they should be in jail for life or executed. I was at the fair about 2 years ago and this guy was running after this girl she looked scared and all so i tripped him. He was about 18 id say me being 14 it was the dumbest thing to do. But then he tried to hit me and missed and someone broke it up. Then i got a thank you guess it was for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] Those types of guys are first time rapists as far as I'm concerned. They just don't have the guts yet to admit they are Rapists, and want to hide behind the "we were drunk..Plee"...OR... they have convinced themselves that if they get the girl drunk enough to go along, without making a fuss, it isn't really rape. It's the beginnings of a serious offender. [/ QUOTE ] Or theres another possibility your leaving out.They really were drunk, they really did have consentual sex, and the girls either feeling remorse about it/cant remember what happened/or sees it as a way to make some $$$ in a civil suit down the road.Thats not much of a stretch of the imagination in this lawsuit happy country anymore.I think a lotta cases like this the guy gets all the responsibility placed on him and the fact that the girl was drunk and wild gets overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Those types of guys are first time rapists as far as I'm concerned. They just don't have the guts yet to admit they are Rapists, and want to hide behind the "we were drunk..Plee"...OR... they have convinced themselves that if they get the girl drunk enough to go along, without making a fuss, it isn't really rape. It's the beginnings of a serious offender. [/ QUOTE ] Or theres another possibility your leaving out.They really were drunk, they really did have consentual sex, and the girls either feeling remorse about it/cant remember what happened/or sees it as a way to make some $$$ in a civil suit down the road.Thats not much of a stretch of the imagination in this lawsuit happy country anymore.I think a lotta cases like this the guy gets all the responsibility placed on him and the fact that the girl was drunk and wild gets overlooked. [/ QUOTE ] Man you have some points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Those types of guys are first time rapists as far as I'm concerned. They just don't have the guts yet to admit they are Rapists, and want to hide behind the "we were drunk..Plee"...OR... they have convinced themselves that if they get the girl drunk enough to go along, without making a fuss, it isn't really rape. It's the beginnings of a serious offender. [/ QUOTE ] Or theres another possibility your leaving out.They really were drunk, they really did have consentual sex, and the girls either feeling remorse about it/cant remember what happened/or sees it as a way to make some $$$ in a civil suit down the road.Thats not much of a stretch of the imagination in this lawsuit happy country anymore.I think a lotta cases like this the guy gets all the responsibility placed on him and the fact that the girl was drunk and wild gets overlooked. [/ QUOTE ] I was referring to guys who purposefully get girls drunk, in the hopes of taking advantage of the situation Horst. These types of guys wouldn't hesitate to mix the girls drink a bit stronger than their own, or slip a rape drug into a girls drink, if they had it available at the time. I should have worded my response differently. That's a good example of why God hates drunkenness Horst. It's not to prevent us from having a good time, it's to prevent us of losing control of ourselves, and to protect us from the many repercussions can can result from it afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Re: Rape I say hang em by their _____!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] In these cases I don’t feel sometimes these guys that are in their late teens and early 20’s are true rapists, but more stupid and immature themselves. Sometimes they may be simply rapists just starting into their rapist ways, but other cases they may have just been lured under false pretenses by the girl lying about her age and looking older than her age. I would find anyone over 21 though, even when lured by one of these girls, old enough to be mature enough to know to make absolute sure that those borderline women they pick up that look in their 18’s may not really be as old as they look and to be more cautious about it. [/ QUOTE ] How about love as a reason for the dating? I know a 20 year old guy who was dating a 16 year old girl for awhile. They had intimate relations during the dating relationship. I do believe he got a sentence for it also. It was called marriage and I was the 20 year old guy. The marriage is still going strong at 25 years. We started dating on my 20th birthday and she was 15. She turned 16 2 months later. Then we got married 6 months after that. There was no pregnancy involved either. Did not have our 1st son until 4 1/2 years after being married. Maybe my wife and I are the exception to the thoughts you state. I do believe that love is also a factor in some relationships. Maturity at that age does happen and sometimes it never arrives. There is a big gray area and guys over 18 should not get involved with those under that age just to protect themselves also along with the minor female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hookedonhunting Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape Life, regardless of who did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] These types of guys wouldn't hesitate to mix the girls drink a bit stronger than their own, or slip a rape drug into a girls drink, if they had it available at the time. I should have worded my response differently. [/ QUOTE ] No Buckee, I knew what you were saying, I was just pointing out theres always two sides to these date rape stories.You worded it just fine. Nuts got a good point as well.I was watching Dateline or something like that the other night.There was a guy on there that started seeing a young girl when they were in school.He was something like 16 and she was something like 14 I believe.Anyway theyd been having sex legally since theye were both minors for 2 years but as soon as he turned 18 her parents had him arrested for statutory rape. He now has to register as a sex offender and has been re arrested for going into as highschool with some friends of his I guesse.Dateline pretty much tried to play him off as some sort of violent sexual predator and ran his story alongside stories of much older men trying to pick up 13 yr olds online. In reality he didnt do anything I didnt do and Ive now got 3 kids and have been with my wife now for around 14 years.Suprise, she was 16 and I was 18 the first time we had sex.Every stories different and we shouldnt be so quick to lump all these people into one catagory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape [ QUOTE ] Life, regardless of who did it. [/ QUOTE ] Why life in prison. Death no matter who did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape Ok this just happend here not to long ago. A girl that was in 8th grade was talking to some guy on the internet that lived in PA i think. And she wanted him to come down here and do things with her. So he drives all the way down here picks here up from lunch at the junior high she goes to. They go to a hotel room and she says she is raped but with an object. I heard that he is fighting she was willing to do so. Should be rape anyways. And for him to be 25 and here what at most 15 to come down here and pick her up from a junior high that its self is illegal . All rapers should be put to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape Like they some said i think begginer rapers get the person they want to rape very drunk before doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IADEERDUDE Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Re: Rape life in prison and if its a minor execution is a must Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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