fisherguy Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) What is unethical is the fact that in most cases this idiot is taunting already wounded animal to charge rather than finish them off quickly. Notice most of thebuffalo are already snorting blood out their noses. If they were uninjured he would just be nuts, but since he is teasing wounded animals IMO he is sick and unethical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cweinste Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) Mark Sullivan had lost his Ph license for awhile, bc he went out and was shooting a cape buffalo with a 22, then he went with a camara and his nitro express, by this time the buffalo was so enraged that it would charge him at first sight. Then he shot the buffalo and said "It just charged" he is a piece of crap, and i wouldnt support his videos if he paid me! CJW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitRmisS Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) i watched the video 3 times and none of the animals appeared to be injured before he shot them. I may be going againdt the grain in saying this bud. Although this isn't something i would personally do, i do not see why it is viewed as unethical, to me it just gives the animal more of a sporting chance, so if he is willing to risk his life for tht then that is his choice. just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) The reason I am saying unethical is because of the head shot. Yes granted he is giving the animal more of a chance (if it were not previously wounded as someone had said they noticed), but who in their right mind would "head shoot" a deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot_09 Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) you wonder where all the anti-hunters get there stereo-typical ideas from eh? that guy right there, IMO, is the reason why we're constantly defending ourselves as hunters. he's just a trigger-happy idiot out to shoot stuff. hunting is about respect for the game and how you take it, IMO...clearly this guy doesn't understand that!!! i don't see why any company or organisation would want to sponsor him, it's a disgrace and does nothing for hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] i do not see why it is viewed as unethical, to me it just gives the animal more of a sporting chance, so if he is willing to risk his life for tht then that is his choice. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not going to get into the ethics issue here about this guy but I WILL reiterate "This guy is NUTS!!!". Like buckee said so well, there's not a doubt in my mind that he's a Thrill Seeker, for his own over-inflated EGO. I wonder how many times each one of us has had a centerfire round fail to fire due to a bad primer. I can recall at least 3 myself with one of those in a deer hunting situation and I'm bad about forgetting about little things like that. That happens to this Egomaniac on one of those Hippos and he's gone along with his camera man. I wonder if the cameraman really knows how much danger he really is in? I wonder if this Egomaniac has even clued him into risk such as that? He's gambling with his life and someone elses for nothing more than the rush he gets from the thrill of holding off to kill the animal at the last instant of the charge. I would never support this Thrill Seeker Egomaniac or his videos. I hope there's a lot of hunters out there that he hopes to sell his videos to that share the same attitude I have about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addct2hntng Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) this guy makes me sick !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) We'll read his obituary one day. Just like the nut who thought he was one withe bears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] i watched the video 3 times and none of the animals appeared to be injured before he shot them. I may be going againdt the grain in saying this bud. Although this isn't something i would personally do, i do not see why it is viewed as unethical, to me it just gives the animal more of a sporting chance, so if he is willing to risk his life for tht then that is his choice. just my 2 cents [/ QUOTE ] This video has been edited since i last saw it. The last version had closeups of buffalo he was taunting at close range spurting blood out their noses while he tried to make them charge. I am looking to see if the old one is still around or if it was removed due to the masses of negative feedback i am sure he got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitRmisS Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i watched the video 3 times and none of the animals appeared to be injured before he shot them. I may be going againdt the grain in saying this bud. Although this isn't something i would personally do, i do not see why it is viewed as unethical, to me it just gives the animal more of a sporting chance, so if he is willing to risk his life for tht then that is his choice. just my 2 cents [/ QUOTE ] This video has been edited since i last saw it. The last version had closeups of buffalo he was taunting at close range spurting blood out their noses while he tried to make them charge. I am looking to see if the old one is still around or if it was removed due to the masses of negative feedback i am sure he got. [/ QUOTE ] if that is the case then i definately disagree with it but to me if the animals weren't previously injured everyone is making it seem worse than it actually is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailkiller Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] That guy is rediculous. People complain about Tred Barta but he is nothing compared to this idiot. I really can't believe anyone would support this guy. That is not hunting or "Death with Honor" as he says. It is simply murder and provoking animals. I don't care if I never see him again. [/ QUOTE ] that's what i was thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] The reason I am saying unethical is because of the head shot. Yes granted he is giving the animal more of a chance (if it were not previously wounded as someone had said they noticed), but who in their right mind would "head shoot" a deer? [/ QUOTE ] I know hunters that have head shot deer before and in no way would I call them unethical. I think that maybe some of us on here are going over board on the whole unethical stand-point!!! This animal has the option to run and not encounter him or charge him and have it's chance to tear him to shreads. Is it stupid, yes. Unethical, no. How many people here gun hunt? You know what I'm talking about where you have a bunch of guys pushing deer out to the standers where they take pop shots at deer running by at full speed. Maybe wounding them and or not getting a kill shot? I'm not going to sit here and call people who do that unethical but I think that is worse then what this guy is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slughunter Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) wow, that guy is crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) everyone has his forte'. i think we'll be reading the sullivan obit one of these years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] By the way, I want to see him do that against animals that are quick like lions, cheetahs and jaguars. My bet is that they are a little too quick for his big guns and he would shoot them from a lot further distance. Let them get a bite of him first and then see what fighting in battle is all about. [/ QUOTE ] I have a email that was sent to me with a lion charge on it. I can forward it to people but i can,t get a link off it, to put in this post for you all to see.OMG Never seen anything like it before. The lion charges after being wounded and they all open up on him. The lion jumps right on one of the hunters. Darn it all: Wish i could get a link for you guys an gals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) Yet another "Snackwell" wantabe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The reason I am saying unethical is because of the head shot. Yes granted he is giving the animal more of a chance (if it were not previously wounded as someone had said they noticed), but who in their right mind would "head shoot" a deer? [/ QUOTE ] I know hunters that have head shot deer before and in no way would I call them unethical. I think that maybe some of us on here are going over board on the whole unethical stand-point!!! This animal has the option to run and not encounter him or charge him and have it's chance to tear him to shreads. Is it stupid, yes. Unethical, no. How many people here gun hunt? You know what I'm talking about where you have a bunch of guys pushing deer out to the standers where they take pop shots at deer running by at full speed. Maybe wounding them and or not getting a kill shot? I'm not going to sit here and call people who do that unethical but I think that is worse then what this guy is doing. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry let me re-phrase that... "head shot at a running whitetail/animal. And for as far as having the option to run away or towards him?? What do you think any rut crazed animal that has someone 1/10th his size kicking dirt towards it in an aggressive manner would do?? Probably charge. Unethical. Like I said before, this is just my opinion and I doubt it will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitRmisS Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The reason I am saying unethical is because of the head shot. Yes granted he is giving the animal more of a chance (if it were not previously wounded as someone had said they noticed), but who in their right mind would "head shoot" a deer? [/ QUOTE ] I know hunters that have head shot deer before and in no way would I call them unethical. I think that maybe some of us on here are going over board on the whole unethical stand-point!!! This animal has the option to run and not encounter him or charge him and have it's chance to tear him to shreads. Is it stupid, yes. Unethical, no. How many people here gun hunt? You know what I'm talking about where you have a bunch of guys pushing deer out to the standers where they take pop shots at deer running by at full speed. Maybe wounding them and or not getting a kill shot? I'm not going to sit here and call people who do that unethical but I think that is worse then what this guy is doing. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry let me re-phrase that... "head shot at a running whitetail/animal. And for as far as having the option to run away or towards him?? What do you think any rut crazed animal that has someone 1/10th his size kicking dirt towards it in an aggressive manner would do?? Probably charge. Unethical. Like I said before, this is just my opinion and I doubt it will change. [/ QUOTE ] a running head shot on an elephant or hippo at just a few steps is just as big of a target as the vitals on a deer at 150 yrds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) I'll post a link to the lion charge on a new thread. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] The reason I am saying unethical is because of the head shot. Yes granted he is giving the animal more of a chance (if it were not previously wounded as someone had said they noticed), but who in their right mind would "head shoot" a deer? [/ QUOTE ] ME! A poor head shot on a deer is no different that a poor double lung shot on a deer that hits it in the guts! Ethics is about harvesting in the most humane, a word made up by humans, way. Granted, no one wants a deer to run around with it's jaw shot off but it really is no different that a deer running around with bacteria running rampant throughout it's body cavity. Humane does not mean, pleasant to the eye. I think this guy is a bit off it's rocker and yes these animals are in a defensive mode. But so is a deer running from you as you shoot at it hoping to make and "ethical" shot. Now that is just stupid, IMO, and way worse than this guy having his clients shoot animals in the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) Once again, I'll clarify what I meant to write and did write further into this thread. [ QUOTE ] Sorry let me re-phrase that... "head shot at a running whitetail/animal. [/ QUOTE ] I never shoot at running whitetails..even when we drive deer. I am not condemning those that do, just saying that I don't. Accidental "gut shots" at broadside standing whitetails, are less likely to occur than shooting wildly at a running deer and knocking its jaw off. Not too mention that little hunter safety rule that should apply to everyone whether you think its ethical or not..."know your target and beyond". Tough to know beyond ... as round after round is being discharged at an animal that is running, dodging ducking and leaping through the woods. Again, I may be wrong, but at least I hunt safely. There is not a set of antlers or a box of venison in the woods big enough, for me to be careless, shoot someone and spend many of my days in jail re-living..."if I had only known my target and beyond , maybe I would be free to hunt with my son who is now fatherless. What scares (maybe amazes) me is that people really do shoot at running animals without ever thinking about the background and where that bullet will strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] Once again, I'll clarify what I meant to write and did write further into this thread. [ QUOTE ] Sorry let me re-phrase that... "head shot at a running whitetail/animal. [/ QUOTE ] I never shoot at running whitetails..even when we drive deer. I am not condemning those that do, just saying that I don't. Accidental "gut shots" at broadside standing whitetails, are less likely than shooting wildly at a running deer and knocking its jaw off. Not too mention that little hunter safety rule that should apply to everyone whether you think its ethical or not..."know your target and beyond". Tough to know beyond ... as round after round is being discharged at an animal that is running, dodging ducking and leaping through the woods. Again, I may be wrong, but at least I hunt safely. There is not a set of antlers or a box of venison in the woods big enough, for me to be careless, shoot someone and spend many of my days in jail re-living..."if I had only known my target and beyond , maybe I would be free to hunt with my son who is now fatherless. What scares (maybe amazes) me is that people really do shoot at running animals without ever thinking about the background and where that bullet will strike. [/ QUOTE ] I don't hunt that way either Swamhunter...but in all fairness those that do usualy hunt from an elevated postion tree stand hill or such and are firing down such that any stray rounds or pass through rounds willhit the dirt...they also know exactly where every other hunter is and do not fire in those directions... I don't agree with firing volleys at deer running across your field of fire due to the high chance of a poor hit, but if you are diciplined enough to only fire at slow moving "sneaking" or "pushed but not spooked" deer it is a perfectly viable and effective hunting method. However, back to the point of comparing firing at an animal running across your field of fire and firing at one running directly at you is also different. Especialy when you compare the differences in size of target. When something that large is running directly at you you don't have to worry about leading much...I still think the guy is absolutely crazy and I would never purposly do what he does. Charges hapen but they ahould be what an outfitter is avoiding not advocating. He is unethical towards his clients for the danger he puts them in, and though stupid, He is not unethical when hunting alone in my opinion...unless he wounds them first off camera to provoke the attack for the camera...that is unethical and sadistic IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) Thanks Swamphunter. I never shoot at whitetails running either and you have already read why. Your last sentence throws an apple in my throat every time I read it. Safety is far more important than "ethics" Hands down! Sorry to those of you that don't think so. PETA included. Sorry for my above if it seemed like a personal attack. CC, The guy seems to think that his way is more noble than other forms of hunting, I guess. He surely is odd, that we can agree upon. But people who shoot dangerous game at close ranges when the animal is terrified possibly is no different than people who go to war. Common sense says I'm not doing it! But have. The difference here is that these animals really can't control their destany and are being forced to try. This is the saddening part of this entire type of "hunt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) [ QUOTE ] Safety is far more important than "ethics" Hands down! [/ QUOTE ] "Safety", should be a part of a persons "ethics", IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Death Rush (video) I never shoot at running whitetails. I did shoot at a running bear. He was running at me so i shot him at about ten yards when i found out it was not a false charge. I took head shots on bear (2) when they were close and standing still. I took head shots on deer (6) when they were close and stading still. All were clean kills and i knew what was beyond. For the hunters that shoot at running deer, as long as they know what.s beyond, fine and good. Seen some nice shots made by my fellow hunters on running deer and seen some clean misses. Its the one,s they wounded and we never found that i don,t like. Also seen misses on deer standing still. I missed a few in my forty five years of hunting myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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