EKYhunter Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Guys, Some people of questionable character moved in next to me last week. They've got one full stock Pitt Bull and one that is half Pitt Bull. They started letting them run loose in the neighborhood. Give me some advice. My first reaction is to take my Benelli out there and kill them. I will not take a chance on my wife, my baby, or my six-year-old getting hurt. I've asked them nicely to keep the dogs up but they don't. My city (About 5,000) has no leash law or ordinance regarding pets. Any advice or ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation They may not have a leash law, but surely they have something to address dangerous animals. Ask the cops. Find out from them what your options are. Of course, at the very first sign of agression by either of the two dogs, I'd recommend the Benelli option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKYhunter Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Thanks Texan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I'd definately get the police involved, at least that way they are aware of the dogs running loose. But like Texan said, first sign of aggresion, I'd be pulling out the Benelli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I gotta go along with Gator and Texan_Til_I_Die here. Do what you can legally. Surely there is a law there that prohibits dogs from running lose without the owners supervision. In the case of an attack, a Benneli would do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation of course there's always the OLE WEST PHILOSOPHY.... "shoot 'em all... ask the questions later" Get the police involved right away about those dogs. Pit bulls, nor any dogs, do not need to be running free in a neighborhood. Too many documented attacks by pit bulls to just let it go with no action from local authorities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation SSS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Shoot 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I would look into the laws a little more. There should be some law being broken by letting a dog roam free in the area no matter what the breed. Perhaps there isn't a leash law, but there would be other laws that this situation should fall into breaking that would allow you to file a complaint with the police and have the people fined or their dogs capture and taken away. Even if it's as simple as their dogs not wearing visible rabies tags, collars, id cards, not registered, etc. I'd nit pick about every little law you can think of they break by letting them loose until they learn to contain their dogs properly or get them taken away. If the dogs ever became dangerous or vicious towards someone I would not hesitate to kill them either. Any breed has the capability of being vicious when left loose. Especially when dogs pack up they become very dangerous as they start to revert back to wild behavior. When I was a teenager I was a victim of a dog attack myself. The dogs that did attack me were perfectly fine when caged separate, but when the owner one day decided to let them both out unleashed together they packed up and became very vicious towards me. If I wasn't walking a large German Shepherd at the time I would have been mauled to death. It was my dog that protected me from their bites and fought back followed by a neighbor trying to run both dogs over with his car to get them off me. I wasn't severely injured and neither was my dog. He ended up in court having to give one of his dogs up for adoption and ever since he got rid of it the remaining dog hasn't ever attempted something like that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WI2506 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation why would they let them run? are they braindead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation While I have to agree that dogs dont need to be running loose in the neighborhood, dont assume because the dogs are pitt bulls that they are bad dogs. Any bad dog running loose could be a problem. I have more concerns with inbred mutts and chows. From experience they are usually more aggressive than any bull terrier. We have had pure bred pitt bulls, bull mastiff crosses, and lab pitt bull mixes. The pure bred dogs and the crosses we have had were raised right, they were great with kids and were really generally good loyal dogs. The dog we had put down two summers ago due to age was a pitt bull black lab mix, she was incredibly protective of our kids and my wife, but in general good around any kid. Really broke our hearts to lose that part of our family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation You need some judo points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Need to add something here to. I agree with wtnhunt, just 'cause they are pitts, doesn't necessarily mean that they are a mean dog. There is welding store we go to, they have a pitt, and this thing is HUGE, lady in there says he is the biggest baby around. We also have a Pitt terrier, and he is also the biggest baby when it comes to people, at least when I am home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] SSS!!! [/ QUOTE ] That's what I was going to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Call his homeowners insurance company and ask them if they allow Pitbulls for their policyholders. In NY, a lot of insurance company will cancel you if "certain dogs" are on the property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] SSS!!! [/ QUOTE ] First off, I'm a little slow on the uptake somtimes, so this one needs some clarification so I know what the heck John is saying. Secondly, let me speak from personal experience. A couple of doors down there are some people there with a pit bull. They began letting the dog roam around the neighborhood (county leash law) and basically going aroung barking, crapping in my yard, scaring little kids, and actually snapped at my fiance one evening when she was going for a walk (this one almost bought him a .45 caliber hydra-shock to the head. Myself and others called animal control, the people got fined, the dog was still running loose. I never got the the point where I pulled a gun out on him, but whenever I saw him near the house I had a stash of firecrackers I would light and throw at him. Now the dog is in a pen locked up. Finally, Lord knows how many fines they got, oh, and another neighbors Doberman also took a big chunk out of the pit bulls neck last year exposing it's throat. Too bad it didn't kill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation SSS - shoot, shovel, shutup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation My sister had the same problem a few years back this is what they did. At the first sign of aggression, they filed a police report about the dangerous animals. They were informed that the neighbors had to be given "resonable opportunity" to keep them put up. After that time, which is not specified in that particualr city ord. then when the animal presents itself as a threat to human life, pets, domesticated animals, livestock or property, then the a property owner has the right to protect his property in a "resonable manner". The neighbors told the police that the dogs would bite and they did chase my sisters do and horses. The next time they stepped on my sisters property they met up with a 165 gr 30-06 bullet in the shoulder. It was a very quick and humane death. The neighbors called the police, who came to file a report. My brother in law met them at the door with a copy of the first report. After about 5 minutes of very pleasent conversation the officer said "Thank you, the dogs owners would like to pick up the bodys, would that be ok?" My brother in law agreed to let them. And that, as Paul Harvey would say, is the rest of the story. Do it legally, do it ethically, but do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I agree with all of the above. No need for dogs running at large. And when its two dogs they get a pack mentality. One attacks and the other jumps in. My family and yours come first. Dig deeper into the by-laws. Good luck. Hope you get it resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] SSS - shoot, shovel, shutup [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my sentaments.... Bye-Bye Doggie, before someone gets mauled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllinoisArcher Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation not all pitbulls are bad we have had one before that we would take on walks all the time and a whole bunch ofppl would just walk up and pet him w/ no problems it all depends on the owners **** a blacklab could be just as dangerous In my opinion i would contact law enforcement and let them deal with it and i wouldnt be hesitant to shoot it if it was attacking one of my pets or family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] While I have to agree that dogs dont need to be running loose in the neighborhood, dont assume because the dogs are pitt bulls that they are bad dogs. Any bad dog running loose could be a problem. I have more concerns with inbred mutts and chows. From experience they are usually more aggressive than any bull terrier. We have had pure bred pitt bulls, bull mastiff crosses, and lab pitt bull mixes. The pure bred dogs and the crosses we have had were raised right, they were great with kids and were really generally good loyal dogs. The dog we had put down two summers ago due to age was a pitt bull black lab mix, she was incredibly protective of our kids and my wife, but in general good around any kid. Really broke our hearts to lose that part of our family. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed it's how a dog is raised and allowed to live that determines whether or not it will be vicious. Every breed gets its 'bad apples', though. Where no matter how much training the dog is just not mentally stable and never will be. That happens every once in awhile that you get a throw back or mistake pup like that with mental problems that is just naturally vicious. That can happen in all species animals. I know a lot of very great pit-bulls. I've trained several dogs that fall into the 'pit-bull' classification by most insurance companies. If from good breeding stock, and raised correctly the dogs make great pets, but they are not for any beginner dog owner to raise. The person needs to be very dedicated to learning how to raise their dogs correctly to prevent them from raising a ticking time bomb that could become vicious. As this breed, and several other breeds that were originally bred for fighting or guarding, has a bit higher tendencies to be more easily turned vicious if trained and handled wrongly. Any breed really has that possibility if you raise it to be vicious or get it from bad breeding lines. I know a dog in this neighborhood that was a standard poodle that attacked people before and even a labrador retriever that did the same. The people that owned these dogs didn’t train nor take care of their dogs properly. They never socialized them either. The first time they escaped their pens in the yards the dogs didn’t know how to react to social contact and ended up biting someone. It wasn’t the dogs fault, but owner’s fault. Dogs don’t just socialize and raise themselves. It takes work and some people don’t seem to understand that and think they just are something you buy let grow up in your backyard and will have a perfect pet when it’s an adult that isn’t any danger to anyone. They are wrong and people like that are why so many breeds have bad raps like they do and why so many insurance companies now charge you differently depending on what breed of dog you own in your home. Also another way to set up your dog to become vicious is to let it pack up. No matter what the breed of dog if you let it roam around free with no discipline in a ‘pack’ with other dogs you’re asking for disaster. Dogs are animals after all and even though they are pets, they still will always have some wild nature in them that can be triggered. No matter how good you breed a dog it will never fully lose that nature. The one sure fire way to bring out that nature is to let dogs roam in packs. It can turn the most friendliest of dogs back into acting like a wild dog instead of someone’s pet. Like I said in my other post and what others have said. Whatever you do about this situation make sure it's legal and safe. I would approach the legal route before taking the shoot to kill route if possible. Try to look into the laws more deeply and find loopholes or laws that are being broken and press charges on those laws. Sometimes when an owner has to pay out their wallet for how they let their dogs roam you find they either get rid of their dogs or pen them up as they don't want to lose money. Either that or they break the laws that often the dogs get removed from the home. If the dogs become vicious in the meantime and put someone's life in danger then by all means shoot the dog to protect rather than have someone get hurt or killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation My wife had a large pitbull when we got married. He was a very gental loving dog. He was never conditioned to fight or attack. We had our daughter around him (closely supervised) and never had any problems. One day we were taking him for a walk and came across another couple walking a small dog maybe a yorky or shitzu or something like that. The two dogs did the whole sniffing thing and everything seemed good. Then CD, our dog, reached down and grabbed this poor little pooch and started shaking it like a rag doll. I tried to get him to let it go and ended up beating the snot out of him before he let go. He turned toward me and I had a 20oz pop bottle and shoved it into his mouth and held it there untill he calmed down. It was a mericle that the dog wasn't seriously injured. After this incedent I never let my daughter around him again and kept him chained up. I still loved on him and gave him attention. When he died (of natural causes) I was saddened, but knew I would never own one again. The fact of the matter is that these dogs are bread to be aggressive fighting or killing animals. All the love and pampering will make for a very friendly killing machine IMO. I'll never have another pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I may be stepping out of line, but here it goe's... A Pitbull, Dobie, or Rottie was GENACTICALLY BRED for one purpose and that was to be un-naturally aggressive, which they will eventually become.... It has nothing to do with how well it's owner has trained them or loved them.. It's just thier genetic make up.... It's the same as trying to own and have a wild dog or animal as a house pet... even tho you had it since it was a baby, eventually it's natural instincts are going to surface. This is why it's illegal to own and raise wild animals....and a good reason IMHO... I won't take the chance with the ones I love,,, if the nieghbors want to own such a animal around me, I have warned them if it wonders onto my property it will be the last time it's ever seen again.... This isn't meant to be mean, but me and mine won't be scared of being able to enjoy the outdoors safely..without the worry of being attacked by one of these animals... Do a search on these animals,, and you will find that these breeds of dogs have a unprovoked attack rate that will shock you to death.... Now don't crusify me,,, it's just my opinion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I'm with you on this one. It definately has to do with both the breed and upbringing. Both nature and nurture IMO. But I would try to go the legal way as I know that is someones pet. But like others have said if that dog turns aggressive, I would have my clip empty before that idoit neighbor heard the first shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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