BowJoe Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation For the most part, it sounds like your neighbors would be the type to raise mean dogs. Most dirtballs like that don't care what the dog does because it's all about the Gansta Image that they want. They probably raise them to be mean because that's what 50cent would do. I think SSS is a swell idea. I hate to see an animal get hurt, but I'd rather see that than one of my family or pets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] A Pitbull, Dobie, or Rottie was GENACTICALLY BRED for one purpose and that was to be un-naturally aggressive, which they will eventually become.... It has nothing to do with how well it's owner has trained them or loved them.. It's just thier genetic make up.... [/ QUOTE ] You left out the german shepherds in this. Last stat I heard on dog attacks I believe had them listed at the very top as the number one offender. Any dog medium to large size can be aggressive and potentially dangerous. Most dogs do in fact have the natural instinct to hunt and kill. The most aggressive natured dog I have ever seen was a chow. That breed was also bred for killing. Our veterinarian we used in Florida for our horses was a beautiful young lady. She got her chin and half of her cheek bit nearly off by a lab dalmation mix. Both of those breeds by themself are noted as generally "good natured" dogs. My point is that any dog has potential to be dangerous if they are not properly handled. Just because you see what you think is a bad dog, dont be convinced that it is a bad dog, and that nice friendly lab over there that you assume to be a good dog just might not be. A lot of people thought the dog we had put down nearly two years ago was mean because of her appearance, but when they got to know her, she was just a big baby, never snapped at anyone ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] You left out the german shepherds in this. [/ QUOTE ] I sure did.. and you are absolutely correct, The Shepard is another highly aggressive animal, but it is NO where near having the OVER aggressive nature of the 3 that I mentioned above, but could have the potential to be a very dangerous animal... As for being bit by a Chow or smaller dog, I think I would take my chance with a 5lbs. Chow than a 120lbs. killing machine like the Pittbull... If are minds are wrapped into thinking that Pitbulls are nothing but purely aggressive dogs that will attack without provitcation at a moments notice,,,, I ask, why is that ??? I think it's because this animal (Pitbull) has proven itself to society to be just that way,,,, DANGEROUS... Do I hate this animal ?? NOPE, but I do hate what it's shown to be capable of,, and it's not a matter of if it will attack, it's a matter of when it will attack... I've personally seen a Rottie attack, an boy is this breed a dangerous animal, once it has locked on it can't and won't release it's bite, because of it's JAW design, this is why when you hear a person say I pulled and tugged and fought for dear life to get the animal off what it was attacking, but couldn't,,, it's because of the jaw design... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Let me tell you, the type of dog doesn't make a difference...per se. Any dog that is abused and mistreated and brought up to be mean will be a mean dog if provoked no matter what type of dog it is. No dog should be able to run free around the neighborhood peroid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Our dog runs into the neighbors yards but thats about it. We have never kept him on a leash and he goes to play with the dog next door. He is very good with commands and only disobeys for rabbits. I've only seen him act agressively once and that was towards another dog. (the family is one of those families that you guys pointed out that dont care about their dogs , so im assuming the dog was an **** like them). But thats the only time I've seen him growl at something. We don't keep him on a leash when hes out but we live in the country. We've done the same thing for our other two dogs and the only problem we have ever had is one brought home the nieghbors milk one day . just my $.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] Our dog runs into the neighbors yards but thats about it. We have never kept him on a leash and he goes to play with the dog next door. [/ QUOTE ] You and I wouldn't get along very well. I hope you have permission from the neighbors to let your dog do that. I can't stand that. If you did that on purpose and I found out, we would have some doggie issues. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You left out the german shepherds in this. [/ QUOTE ] I sure did.. and you are absolutely correct, The Shepard is another highly aggressive animal, but it is NO where near having the OVER aggressive nature of the 3 that I mentioned above, but could have the potential to be a very dangerous animal... As for being bit by a Chow or smaller dog, I think I would take my chance with a 5lbs. Chow than a 120lbs. killing machine like the Pittbull... If are minds are wrapped into thinking that Pitbulls are nothing but purely aggressive dogs that will attack without provitcation at a moments notice,,,, I ask, why is that ??? I think it's because this animal (Pitbull) has proven itself to society to be just that way,,,, DANGEROUS... Do I hate this animal ?? NOPE, but I do hate what it's shown to be capable of,, and it's not a matter of if it will attack, it's a matter of when it will attack... I've personally seen a Rottie attack, an boy is this breed a dangerous animal, once it has locked on it can't and won't release it's bite, because of it's JAW design, this is why when you hear a person say I pulled and tugged and fought for dear life to get the animal off what it was attacking, but couldn't,,, it's because of the jaw design... [/ QUOTE ] I was raised and owned German Shepherds since I was little. I also worked with training these breeds of dogs in agility and obedience. None of our dogs have ever been aggressive dogs. They are protective of their owners and home though. Most breeds of dogs are territorial to an extent. My dogs have never bit anyone besides someone who shouldn't have been on our property without our permission and in those cases I felt no sorrow for the individual that got bit because you do not trespass on people's property. That's a good way to end up shot. My dog has also protected me when on a walk from being mauled by two rotties that were running loose. If it wasn't for her I'd probably have some serious damage all over my body from those two dogs. My dogs have all been great around kids. My first German Shepherd I used to pull her ears and tail and ride around on her back like a horse when I was little and this dog put up with all of that. The German Shepherd was not bred to be a fighting or guarding dog up until recently. This breed of dog's original breeding was for sheep herding. There is some stock now a days that were bred for guarding and police work specifically that are selectively being made to be so aggressive genetically. Those lines of German Shepherd are normally the ones you find with fear biting problems and aggression problems. The lines that continued breeding the dog for its orginial intention, herding or as an utility dog, are quite sound lines of dog. They are protective of their owners and what they consider their home territory. Most of the biting incidents I hear about German Shepherds the person that was bit was the one mostly at fault. It's normally trespassers and theives that get bit by them or a stupid individual that just walks up and pets one or sticks their hand in a car to pet one. German Shepherds have been getting a bad rap due to the lines bred for police work mostly. All the German Shepherds from police lines that I've had the chance to work with have been very unsteady and would snap or bite rather quickly when made nervous and were easily made nervous. In any case German Shepherds are a breed that you have to research the line you're buying from now a days to make sure you don't get one from an aggressive line. They are also not a breed for first time dog owners to be handling. They take alot of work to socialize and train these dogs from puppy to adult and to have a good dog come out of it. Especially if the dog is from a line that may have an aggressive background. All dogs take work and all dogs need to be socialized and trained to be good dogs that will not become vicious. Doesn't matter the breed. I can think of many times where I've been near bitten by a Chow or Dalmation or another breed of dog far more than I've had a German Shepherd attempt to bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Our dog runs into the neighbors yards but thats about it. We have never kept him on a leash and he goes to play with the dog next door. [/ QUOTE ] You and I wouldn't get along very well. I hope you have permission from the neighbors to let your dog do that. I can't stand that. If you did that on purpose and I found out, we would have some doggie issues. JMO [/ QUOTE ] We do, our dog and the nieghbours dog play with eachother. It's a mutual thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation You have some nice neighbors, I hope you invite them for pizza every now and then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation You can come for pizza too if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation well, elk. i'm in your same boat. next door to me moved in a rott. he backed my grandson up about 6 months ago, and i chased him off. spoke to the couple who owns them, and nothing. 2 weeks ago my grandson got off the school bus (comes to our house 3 days a week after school) and the rott was there. he jumped back on the bus, and the driver called the police. owners got ticketed. right now, i have guns at each door. i told the owners if it comes on my property again, he's dead. simple as that. sss works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODH Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation you asked them nicely to leash them. i'd go with SSS, a Benelli 3 1/2" supermag should do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] As for being bit by a Chow or smaller dog, I think I would take my chance with a 5lbs. Chow than a 120lbs. killing machine like the Pittbull... [/ QUOTE ] Wow, some terrible misinfo here buddy. A full grown pure bred male "american pitt bull terrier" will usually go no more than 55 pounds. Pure bred dogs are not big. That is why they are bred to bull mastiffs to give them size. If you are seeing a 120 pound dog, I can assure you it is not a pure bred bull terrier. If I am not mistaken, chows are more commonly larger breeds than pitt bulls, with chows averaging up to 60 pounds in male dogs. I am not talking about a pomeranian or a "chow chow" dog. I am talking about the asian bred chows that were bred for fighting and killing. They are by far and away the most aggressive breed I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooBear Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I have raised Dobermans for almost 20 years. I have never seen one born mean. They are great dogs. I've raised 2 boys that have tormented these dogs to no end. (pulling ears tails etc..,) My vet claims there is no gene or DNA makeup for temperament. All dogs will bite under the right circumstances. The difference is, when a PB, Rott, GS or Doberman bites its NEWS! The number 1 dog for biting humans is the Cocker Spaniel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKYhunter Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Well now they've got another Pitt Bull! It's just a small pup. They have started tying them up sometimes but they are still running the neighborhood ocassionally. I live in subdivision where the houses are close together. This past Saturday night these new neighbors had a bon fire in their back yard! I was looking out my bedroom window at them when one of them took out some marijuana, rolled a joint, and then they all passed it around the fire. Ain't neighbors wonderful! I'll tell more about the dogs later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation EK, think I would be calling the police for sure now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] one of them took out some marijuana, rolled a joint, and then they all passed it around the fire. Ain't neighbors wonderful! [/ QUOTE ] It's good they just passed it around the fire, I would hate to think my neighbors were smoking that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Y'all need to get facts straight. Shepards are not the #1 offender......Dalmations were last i checked......I know, it's a bit of a surprise. Pitbulls were not bred to be aggresive.....they were bred to take down bulls....hence the strong jaw. Dobies, and rotties were bred to be obedient guard dogs, not attack dogs. I hate when people generalize dog breeds.....that being said, for some reason, MOST pitbulls will become more unstable as they age, and this is what leads to their bad rep. I love dogs, but I would never own a Pit.......if it gets out of control throw a bullet in his skull and drop him over the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest buddy ahart Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] one of them took out some marijuana, rolled a joint, and then they all passed it around the fire. Ain't neighbors wonderful! [/ QUOTE ] It's good they just passed it around the fire, I would hate to think my neighbors were smoking that stuff. [/ QUOTE ] LMBO good one john lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation [ QUOTE ] I hate when people generalize dog breeds.....that being said, for some reason, MOST pitbulls will become more unstable as they age, and this is what leads to their bad rep. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, would be nice to here from a veterinarian on this, wonder if Todd would lend some insight. There are more breeds than just pitt bulls that have this same aging related to meanness problem. As I understand, some dogs have an increase in pressure on the brain due to some sort of genetic problem in certain breeds where as they age, the space for the brain becomes too small and the pressure on the brain makes the dogs kind of crazy. This is most common in dobermans from what I understand. The rate for this problem is also higher in dogs that are inbred. As for the facts, I have not checked any statistics recently, but I do recall a few years back reading a report that had german shepherds at the top of the list. My wifes parents used to raise show quality german shepherds, they were not the same lines as the police/guard dogs, these dogs were pretty laid back. My family has had all types of breeds of dogs, and have had several pitt bull and pitt bull crosses. A dog is only as good as its owner, giving a bad rap to an entire breed based on its ability is being nothing more than predjudiced, becuase you are basically judging an animal based on what you think it might or could do without knowing anything about the animal. There is nothing wrong with being cautious around an animal you dont know, but I cannot agree with killing someones pet because of what you think it might do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I tried to find some up to date info (facts) on this issue but the best I could do is from 1979-1998 but it should show some accurate numbers,,,, And I will say this info is only on DOG RELATED DEATHS and excludes bite only related injuries, in the United States... And to be truely fair and honest to this discussion I highlighted in bold a very important passage at the end of this litature.... The breeds most likely to kill "Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.) Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Owners of such dogs should be aware that if their dogs attack a person, the attacks may be scrutinized by law enforcement. The reason is that irresponsible behavior with or toward a dog whose breed is known to bite has caused a rising and unacceptable injury and death toll, which authorities are determined to stem. "Irresponsible behavior" is defined differently from place to place. In California, for example, it can be a felony for a person to possess a dog trained to fight, attack or kill that, because of the owner's lack of ordinary care, bites two people or seriously injures one person. (See Felony prosecution of attack dog owners.) In different parts of the United States at the current time, there are a number of parents who are on trial for manslaughter because their dogs have killed their children. In these cases, the prosecutors have taken the position that the parents behaved irresponsibly because they left their children in the company of dogs most likely to bite. There is an 8 out of 10 chance that a biting dog is male. (Humane Society of the United States.) Although pit bull mixes and Rottweilers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds. The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.) In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that: Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog. An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above). Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack. I just wish I could have found more current charts, but these should do,,,, I'll be the first to admitt that I have a prejudice attitude when it comes to certian breeds,, which may be unfair to the animal and it's owner... Hey I'm just being honest... I got these facts from... http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite Which is associated with the US CDC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation In 19 years, Pittbulls have killed 118 people!!!!!! I don't think shark attacks have lead to that many deaths in that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation I only posted what I could find.... and that's what the study says... And I tried to be unbias and left out a satistic...and this one covers bites... Children are the most frequent targets Studies of dog bite injuries have reported that: The median age of patients bitten was 15 years, with children, especially boys aged 5 to 9 years, having the highest incidence rate The odds that a bite victim will be a child are 3.2 to 1. (CDC.) Children seen in emergency departments were more likely than older persons to be bitten on the face, neck, and head. 77% of injuries to children under 10 years old are facial. Severe injuries occur almost exclusively in children less than 10 years of age. The majority of dog attacks (61%) happen at home or in a familiar place. The vast majority of biting dogs (77%) belong to the victim's family or a friend. When a child less than 4 years old is the victim, the family dog was the attacker half the time (47%), and the attack almost always happened in the family home (90%). Dog bites rank second among other common causes of emergency-room injuries "Incidence of dog bite injuries treated in emergency departments," All Im trying to get across here, is if you own a dog, Keep it home, it has no business infringing on your neighbors saftey and rights wether the owner thinks it's a loving dog or not..... , as I said before I won't take the chance of myself or one of my love ones being biten or mauled,,,, if Im a bad person for this then so be it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation heck with the statistics. lock & load! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Bad neighbor/Pitt Bull situation Interesting numbers. Some of those are pretty surprising, Australian shepherds and collies are noted as great family pets and are generally non aggressive, but account for 9 deaths. That kind of surprises me. Bet that a lot of these were unfortunate accidents where a mistreated animal might have lost control. Also interesting is that under pure bred animals it has listed "pit bull-types" and has the GROUPing listed to account for 76 deaths. Wonder how many of those animals are truly pure bred pit bull terriers? I seriously doubt that by the way they listed that, that those were all staffordshire or true pit bull terriers. I have seen boxers called pit bulls, and english bulldog mixes called pit bulls. Heck I have even seen some blocky head mixed breed labs labeled as pit bulls by people who did not know what they were talking about. Here is a link with some good information for those of you who dont know much about the true breed staffordshireterrier/pitbull. Pure bred animals do not get to 120 lbs, more likely they are generally only about a foot and a half tall at the shoulder and usually a heavy dog will more commonly weigh in at 50-60 lbs. A big male may go as much as 75-80 lbs, but that is uncommon in pure bred dogs. Here is a nother good link with some good information americanpittbullterrier Rottweilers also get a bad rap, but what some people might not realize is that the rottweilers are one of the oldest breeds that there is. Many dog breeds known today were bred out of the rottweilers. Got a book on breeds and histories around here somewhere. This idea that their "genetic" makeup results in an aggressive animal if it were true would mean that more animals that might surprise you would also have this genetic triat for being aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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