Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Wonder what his punishment will be??? MIAMI - The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said. Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla. Authorities said he was online with the “girl,” a Florida undercover sheriff’s deputy, when police arrived at his Silver Spring, Md., house to arrest him. Story continues below ↓ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- advertisement -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doyle had a sexually explicit conversation with what he believed was a 14-year-old girl whose profile he saw on the Internet on March 14, the Polk County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement. The girl was really an undercover Polk County Sheriff’s Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff’s office said. Pornographic movie clips Doyle sent pornographic movie clips and had sexually explicit conversations via the Internet, the statement said. During other online conversations, Doyle revealed his name, that he worked for the Homeland Security Department, and offered his office and government issued cell phone numbers, the sheriff’s office said. Doyle also sent photos of himself that were not sexually explicit, authorities said. One photo, which authorities released to the news media, shows Doyle in what appears to be homeland security headquarters. He is wearing a homeland security pin on his lapel and a lanyard that says “TSA.” The Transportation Security Administration is part of the Homeland Security Department. On several occasions, Doyle instructed the girl to perform a sexual act while thinking of him and described explicit activities he wanted to have with her, investigators said. Doyle later had a telephone conversation with an undercover deputy posing as the teenager and encouraged her to purchase a Web camera to send graphic images of herself to him, the sheriff’s office said. Web cam Carrie Rodgers, a sheriff’s spokeswoman, said an undercover detective posing as the girl call Doyle at work Tuesday and said “she had gotten the web camera like he told her and her mom wouldn’t be home that night and she wanted to try it out.” “He said he would get on the computer when he got home from work so we knew he would be on,” Rodgers said. “When (police) went to his door, he was on the computer in the middle of a conversation with the girl.” He was booked into Maryland’s Montgomery County jail where he was waiting to be extradited to Florida, the sheriff’s office said. There was no immediate response to messages left on Doyle’s government-issued cell phone and his e-mail, and he could not be reached by phone at the jail for comment. Homeland Security press secretary Russ Knocke in Washington said he could not comment on the details of the investigation. “We take these allegations very seriously, and we will cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation,” Knocke said. Washington television stations showed footage of police escorting Doyle from his home in handcuffs. One arresting officer carried a large box. Doyle was bent over in the front seat of the police vehicle in an apparent attempt to hide his face. Doyle, who is the fourth-ranking official in the department’s public affairs office, was expected to be placed on administrative leave Wednesday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested I hope they NAIL HIM AS HARD AS THEY CAN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested As big of a sicko as this guy is....how were these conversations initiated? This sort of thing always seems like entrapment to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Muggs, shouldn't matter how they were initiated, the undercover agent IDENTIFIED herself as being a 14yr old female, HE should have cut all contact at that point, instead of going on as he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested [ QUOTE ] Muggs, shouldn't matter how they were initiated, the undercover agent IDENTIFIED herself as being a 14yr old female, HE should have cut all contact at that point, instead of going on as he did. [/ QUOTE ] dangle a worm in front of a fish's face, he just might bite....no bait...no bite. Like I said, if this guy was out there looking for it, that's a different story. Regardless of how distgusting this guy's perversions are...the law is the law....and entrapment is supposed to be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested How is it entrapment?? He is 55, he should KNOW BETTER!! So what if she initiated, she is 14, a MINOR, he is an ADULT, and a HIGH PROFILE ADULT at that. How would you feel if that happened to your daughter? I'd be PISSED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Gator, I'm not supporting the guy or his actions. I'm supporting the LAW, which sometimes is ignored by the people were are hired or even appointed to uphold the LAW. If you're OK with your rights being infringed on, that's on you. Like I said, these pervs are disgusting, and how anyone would be interested in a 14 year old girl, is beyond me. But the fact of the matter is, that there are guys out there that something like that is there "thing". So if they're out there on the internet searching for little girls...they should be arrested....heck shoot the sicko. But if someone is dangling a worm out there, telling someone "hey I got a camera, and I want to get freaky while you watch" sure as heck sounds like entrapment to me. So in my opinion, that's bending the LAW and our Rights. In this case, hey they're catching a perv, but once they start compromising a document great man drafted hundreds of years ago....where it's gonna stop. Believe me, when they play with your rights, then you'll really be pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested [ QUOTE ] I hope they NAIL HIM AS HARD AS THEY CAN!!! [/ QUOTE ] Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Muggs, So what you're saying is that if you were in a chat room, and a 14yr old girl initiated a sexually explicit conversation with you, is that you would bite on it? no bait, no bite, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested [ QUOTE ] Muggs, So what you're saying is that if you were in a chat room, and a 14yr old girl initiated a sexually explicit conversation with you, is that you would bite on it? no bait, no bite, right? [/ QUOTE ] If that's what you get out of my previous posts, I'm gonna just end this convo right now...you're obviously missing my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Obviuosly I am. I don't understand the "entrapment" part. The article staes that there was contact between the 2 on Mar 14, 3 weeks ago. The contact evidently continued for I assume that whole time, since he was online with her at the time of his arrest. That's why I don't understand how he was "trapped", that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Look at it this way. They pose undercover cops as hookers, full grown adults mind you, so it's right there in front of peoples faces, heck they wave them over. That's entrapment. Now if a guy calls a escort by phone, he initiated the contact....and he broke the law. And before you ask gator, no I don't pick up hookers. The entrapment part, comes in the form of the first initial contact. Let's say, there's a guy who had a bad drug problem, cleaned up his act, and hasn't done drugs in 15 years. One day he's approached by an undercover cop who says, "hey buddy, you want some coke", the guy, who has been supressing his addiction for so long now has it right in front of him, and he caves, and is arrested. Now that's entrapment....even thought the guy is a drug addict. If it wan't for that cop initiating the contact, and giving him the drugs....he wouldn't have done it, that's entrapment. The document I referred to earlier is known as the U.S. Constitution....something I don't like to see played with, not even to catch a sicko that I'd love to have off the street. Once people start picking places where they think the Constitution should be bent a little, that sets a precendent, and starts the ball rolling. Like I said, if you think the founding document of our great nation is fair game, that's on you. But I'll keep stating my vocal support for it, and it's original intention. Even if that puts me in a situation where someone asks me if I'd molest a 14 year old year on a public forum because they're failing to understand the founding principles of the nation they live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested But is it not just as easy to say NO, as it is to say YES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested sure, of course it is, and that's what a normal person would do. But he might not have been put in a position to have to say "yes" or "no" if he wasn't entrapped...I guess that's my point, and that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested He had to go looking in the first place to find the girl did he not? I dont see where this is entrapment muggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Even if the girl came looking for him, as soon as she said she was 14, he could have cut all contact, and I'd be willing to bet that NOTHING would have come of it. Evidently that didn't happen here, since he did send pictures of himself, his office AND cell phone number. So I really don't see how he could have been trapped. I mean, he is 55, and the Press Secretary for Homeland Security, so he is obviuosly not dumb, or wasn't dumb up until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested [ QUOTE ] He had to go looking in the first place to find the girl did he not? I dont see where this is entrapment muggs. [/ QUOTE ] That's why I said "I'd have to see who initiated the convo". If he's out there lurking for young girls to talk to that's different... Either way, it's disgusting, all I'm saying is that there is a Constitutional way to make an arrest, and there's not. More and more I'm seeing Civil Rights being ignored, or even taken away from U.S. Citizens. I have a problem with that. So even when a scumbag has his rights violated, I have a problem with it, even though I don't support his actions (it boils my blood). It's a simple matter of looking at the big picture...unfortunately when most of our fellow Americans had their brains washed, they had them waxed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested Maybe he didn't intitiate the conversation, but he did NOTHING to stop it. He even went so far as to hand out his cell phone number AND office number. That IMO is not entrapment, but trying to "progress" the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested [ QUOTE ] Maybe he didn't intitiate the conversation, but he did NOTHING to stop it. He even went so far as to hand out his cell phone number AND office number. That IMO is not entrapment, but trying to "progress" the issue [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter how things progressed, by definition, entrapment is the initiation of _____________. I don't think I need to state again, that I'm not supporting this guy, I'm supporting the Bill of Rights. Everybody is willing to let rights be bent when it's a sicko who's having his rights violated, that's understandable...but like I said, it's about the big picture here, once it's YOUR rights are being screwed with, then it's gonna become a real problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arres Point taken muggs, but anyway I'm still glad this sicko's off the streets. BTW - It's all Bush's fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arrested [ QUOTE ] How is it entrapment?? He is 55, he should KNOW BETTER!! So what if she initiated, she is 14, a MINOR, he is an ADULT, and a HIGH PROFILE ADULT at that. How would you feel if that happened to your daughter? I'd be PISSED! [/ QUOTE ] I KNOW I WOULD BE!!! HE IS 55, SHE IS 14! GRAB THE GUN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arres [ QUOTE ] Point taken muggs, but anyway I'm still glad this sicko's off the streets. BTW - It's all Bush's fault! [/ QUOTE ] Couldn't agree with you more Texas, except for the Bush thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arres [ QUOTE ] BTW - It's all Bush's fault! [/ QUOTE ] Wondered how long it would take for that to surface . No doubt this sicko needs locked up with some real hardened criminals, maybe he can even find him girlfriend named bubba. I still dont think it is entrappment. He did not have to respond to the messages, nor did he have to encourage the behavior he suggested for what he thought was a 14 year old child to engage in. He had every opportunity not to be in that situation. He was not "en trapped". He put himself in the situation plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arres trap em, trick em, do whatever they can to bring them out in the open. It sure beats having them molest a dozen or so kids before they get caught (if they get caught) The guy was obviously cruising the internet when he found this girl in the first place, otherwise, how in the heck do you come across a 14 year old girl on the INTERNET and initiate a conversation in the first place. She didn't send him pornographic material, He sent it to her. Muggs, you make it sound like the guy started having a conversation with the girl and got arrested, just like that. They had to get the goods on him first, before they made an arrest. Even when a cop in disguise (posing as a hooker) waves over potential customers, it's not entrapment. If an innocent guy pulls over and says, "do you need help mam?"....He doesn't get arrested now does he. Trick em, fool em, do what they can. Just keep them away from my daughter and yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Re: Homeland Security Deputy Press Secretary arres Fact - He thought she was 14 and kept contacting her Fact - He told her to get the camera Fact - He told her to do sexually explicit things Fact - He sent her porn video Fact - He is a 55 year old high provile government official. I know what intrapment is. I don't think this applies. I often get emails from my students. Here is my blanket reply that I send them. [ QUOTE ] I am a teacher and you are my student. It is inappropriate for us to email each other on a personal basis. If you have a question or need something that requires the enternet please have one of your parents email me and I will respond as quickly as I can. Please do not eamail me anymore. [/ QUOTE ] When I send this email I send a copy to myself and save it to a folder along with the original email from the student. I do this to avoid 5 little words........................"Will the defendant please rise." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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