johnf Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I just saw a report on FOX about Cardinal Mahoney preaching in a mass telling people including the other priest in the church to break any laws when it comes to illigal immigrants. I actually heard him telling these people to do this, this is not hearsay. Don't misunderstand me, this has nothing to do with the Catholic church for me. I think tho that this preast should be heald accountable for at least conspericy to commit a felony (adeing and abeddig a felon, and obstructing justice). If the Catholic church does nothing to stop this then they should loose thier non-profit status, or at least that particular parish. If this were a Baptist preacher or Billy Graham himself this would still be wrong and I'd be just as irritated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. As long as they can still molest children................anything goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. book him, dano. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. Here's a link web page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. Buckee, you the man. You get the links so fast and post them. Thanks for the links in one of my posts. I check any emails i get now, before sharing with members. Some will still slip through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] As long as they can still molest children................anything goes. [/ QUOTE ] Sadly theres a lotta truth to that statement, when they found out children were being molested instead of turning them in theyd just move em around.Even after the lid blew on that a few years ago nothing changed.I cant see much happening about this either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As long as they can still molest children................anything goes. [/ QUOTE ] Sadly theres a lotta truth to that statement, when they found out children were being molested instead of turning them in theyd just move em around.Even after the lid blew on that a few years ago nothing changed.I cant see much happening about this either. [/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately I think Chris is right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. Sure, let's all jump on the Catholics, like it doesn't happen anywhere else. "Cast the first stone........" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] Sure, let's all jump on the Catholics, like it doesn't happen anywhere else. "Cast the first stone........" [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] Sure, let's all jump on the Catholics, like it doesn't happen anywhere else. "Cast the first stone........" [/ QUOTE ] I didn't mean for this to be a bash the Catholics party. I think this guy would be wrong reguardless of the religion, but the Catholic church does have more direct control over their clergy than most other religions. In most prodistant churches the church body itself does most of the disciplining of the pastures when it needs to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] In most prodistant churches the church body itself does most of the disciplining of the pastures when it needs to be done. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry John, pastures or pastors. Cannot help it buddy, that is kind of funny. Chris, it seems as though the Catholics do tend to get a bit more negative attention these days. All religions and their representatives however should have no exemptions to the laws that apply to all men, and when those who try to hide their bad apples by shifting them around like with the catholic church, they should be held accountable for impeding justice for not turning them in and potentially allowing more instances to take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. Catholics get the bad press because it's the dominant religion in large cities such as NYC, so a couple bad seeds in the city will have effects on thousands.......that's the only reason. Don't lump a few bad seeds in with an entire religion......preist or not, they aren't true catholics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. If you don't keep your pasture managed well, you'll have to do a lot of weeding later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest longknife Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. weed the bad apple's and make an example out of them.The catholics are the one's that pushed thier religion on the world for decades and now it is coming back to bite them.I'am catholic and that is my take on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. We are getting way off the original discussion here guys. If you want to discuss other things going on in the catholic church hierarchy, then make a new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] Catholics get the bad press because it's the dominant religion in large cities such as NYC [/ QUOTE ] Thats funny, I thought it was because they hid child molesters to protect them from prosecution, my mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Catholics get the bad press because it's the dominant religion in large cities such as NYC [/ QUOTE ] Thats funny, I thought it was because they hid child molesters to protect them from prosecution, my mistake [/ QUOTE ] Ever hear of extradition Chris? Catholic criminal, protestant criminal, muslim criminal, jewish criminal... Criminal is a criminal. If there's evidence we'll just have to trust the law to enforce the law. [ QUOTE ] The catholics are the one's that pushed thier religion on the world for decades and now it is coming back to bite them. [/ QUOTE ] Now there's an intelligent response. What the heck does spreading the Word have to do with child molestation? Are you telling me this is what the church teaches? Some of you defy discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] The catholics are the one's that pushed thier religion on the world for decades and now it is coming back to bite them. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now there's an intelligent response. What the heck does spreading the Word have to do with child molestation? Are you telling me this is what the church teaches? [/ QUOTE ] I'm still trying to figure that one out too Chris..LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest longknife Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. Well it is like this and i should have made a little more sensible is they are so use to pointing fingers at everyone that are going against the word that they fail to look at the THREE fingers pointing back at them and the so called clergy hide behind the very same thing that they are supposed to be spreading.The BIBLE is no longer a good thing but a shield to hide infection and crimes against who or what ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. I think your way off base here longknife. I don't think the bible is being used as a shield here at all. As a matter of fact if the folks preaching that retoric knew the bible they wouldn't be telling folks to break the law. The bible clearly teaches that we are to live by the law of man unless it opposes Gods laws. 99.9% of the laws that govern the US are in no way contradict the laws of God, including border law and immigration law. "Give unto Ceaser what is his." This guy is hiding only behind the power of his church (sorry Tominator I really think he is) but more improtantly the great numbers of criminals that he is preaching to and for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. [ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Catholics get the bad press because it's the dominant religion in large cities such as NYC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats funny, I thought it was because they hid child molesters to protect them from prosecution, my mistake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever hear of extradition Chris? Catholic criminal, protestant criminal, muslim criminal, jewish criminal... Criminal is a criminal. If there's evidence we'll just have to trust the law to enforce the law [/ QUOTE ] So are you saying it never happened?And lets say they extradite a child molesting priest, is the one that knowingly moved him in the first place and put other kids at risk also going to be punished for aiding a felon?Because if I hid a criminal I know Id be brought up on charges.And how far up the chain of command would that go? Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against the Catholic Church or catholics in general, but their leaders do seem to think theyre above the law in some instances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. I can certainly see Chris(horsts) side of this and where he is coming from. Seems as though all of those involved in the situations Chris is referring to should have gotten charged with aiding and abedding, but that did not happen either. The coverup and moves to hide the known offenders went a ways up into the leaders in the church if I remember correctly. It is not only the catholics, but in other churches as well, that some seem to hold the belief that they are above the law. And with this I continue on with my belief that there is too much hipocrisy in the church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. First off, the crossing of our borders, while illegal, is not a felony, although under the bill proposed it would become a felony. But that is a topic for the other thread. As far as the Catholic priest who is defying the "law", I will add this passage from the Book of Matthew. 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest longknife Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' AMEN BROTHER this sum's up all of what we god's children should know or do.It is what we do outside the building of stone and wood that make's us prone to judgement at the of return of the LORD.YES this has everything to with the bible, and the laws of old America were at one time set with the bible,matter of fact this country was based on the biblacle readings.We have strayed so far from the truth that one day we pay for that.So many religions used the BIBLE for there own protection and private uses that the word that meant so much to us is being used and abused it is getting out of control.I have taught all five of my children that it is what the BIBLE tells you is right not what a church tells you do,that is what makes you the person you are.But you are right if they the church's were really living by the teaching's the discusion we are having would not be taking place!The Bible is what we need to read more of and SLUGSHOOTER you put in word's as it was written and what you felt should be done.The Bible is the only map to live life but we are all guilty of Straying even me.As the BIBLE said "VENGANCE IS MINE SAYITH THE LORD".the truth is deplicted as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Catholic Cardinal defies the law. Sluggo you bring up something gnawing at me for a couple days. I have a little mexican girl in band that has been acting up a little. I went to her house to talk to her father, who is illigal, because I'm concerned for her. Here is my delima. I really liked him and respected wheat he said. He was very concerned about his daughter and we had a pretty good discussion. Can I give Christian love and attention to an idividual in a group and still disagree with what the group as a whole is doing and want them gone? Can I hope for the best for this man and his family while at the same time wanting his people to go back to where they belong. The fact remains, by being here he is a criminal. But is that different then when a young girl gets pregnant. Being pregnant isn't a sin, getting that way was. Answers..........I don't really know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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