RangerClay Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 I'm going to open a can of worms. I am having issues with the forum topics involving the use and glorification of tobacco products. I have been here for almost two years now. In that time I have been given two warning for something I typed. Each time the reason for my warning was, "Kids hang out here too". How many times have we seen a topic removed, "because of the kids". Well, I'm bringing up this issue because of the kids. Over the last couple weeks I have seen two topics about smokeless tobacco. Often people in these posts are glorifying the product with quotes like, "Ya gotta give me the sweet stuff, either apple or peach!" or "If any at all it is peach chew. Stuff is great." I realize that there are 10 posts saying don't do it for every pro-chew person. However you Skoal chewers are making it sound like this stuff is great. If just one kid tries some chew because you (including a Moderator) say it tastes great, that is one too many for me. You may want to play russian roulette with cancer but would you be able to live with yourselves if some kid tried it and died? Tominator has said, "Some posts baffle me. Why this one keeps popping up befuddles me to no end." I have to agree with him!! Why don't we put an end to these posts?! Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here GOOD POINT Ranger. I have to agree with what he has said. So many times we hear "We have kids here" So why allow the talk of tobacco usage?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here Ill take your side on this one. Somethings probably shouldnt be posted on here and the glorification (To any degree) of harmful products probably shouldnt be brought up in this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leatherneck Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here I agree 100% as a former user, that stuff is bad news and shouldnt be promoted here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here yeah I guess we have to draw a line some where.....but where? as of right now it is legal for adults to chew same as drink...I have seen lots of people talking about the weekend and sitting around having a few cold ones and how good they were..... I guess what I am trying to say is where do we draw the line....at legal stuff or adult stuff...I am not sure you tell me????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here Your right bud. I totally didn't think about it that way. I also noted in there though that I had quit. I hope kids never start. I honestly think there are alot of things on here though that might be questionable that are allowed though. Like the famous peeing in the shower thread and many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M00N Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here I agree. I get to see every morning first hand what this stuff does to people over time. My grandfather lost all his teeth because of his chewing habit when he was younger. He hasn't had teeth for 30 some years now and can barely taste anything due his taste buds being messed up from the stuff. It isn't something to be promoting to young people. I could see if this was a group of adults only then it'd be on them if they get influenced to use the stuff, but children are so easily influenced and don't know better. If you told them it was cool or the fad thing to do, they'd do it without thinking about what will happen to them later in life just simply to 'be cool' or 'fit in'. A lot of the kids on this site look up to the site staff and other adults that post here. Don't want to influence them in a negative way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here First off, let me say that I'm not a tobacco user in any form. Second, let me say that as long as it's a legal product for people over a certain age to use, I'll defend their right to use that product. Third, and this is the key point, all of the parents should be educating their kids about the risks of using tobacco. If a kid is so susceptible to influence from a post in a Internet Forum that he/she will go out and start dipping Skoal because someone on here likes it, then that kid has bigger issues that need to be dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here Let me point out that unfortunatley, my quiting didn't work again. Also this stuff is terrible, 2 weeks to get hooked, 20 years to quit. takes thousands of dollars and harms your health. I don't think we should glorify it, but I am uncertain what the call should be as far as monitoring it. Guess I'll leave that up to the Moderators. If anyone is thinking of trying tabacco, please PM me and I'll do my best to talk them out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here [ QUOTE ] as of right now it is legal for adults to chew same as drink...I have seen lots of people talking about the weekend and sitting around having a few cold ones and how good they were..... [/ QUOTE ] I'm guilty of that myself.I guess there are some grey areas as to what can and can't be posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here Terrible thing to get hooked on. Don,t even try it. From someone who knows firsthand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here good point ranger...i see where some other people are talking about where to draw the line too..IMO...tobacco products should not be talked about on here...unless its something along the lines of "i decided to quit" or something like that...its way to easy to get hooked.....now for the alcohol posts...i don't really see anything wrong with someone saying they had a couple over the weekend or something...as long as they are of legal age...and as long as it doesn't get out of hand...meaning posts talking about how drunk they got and stuff like that (which i don't think i have seen yet) i think the point is we try to watch what we say because we know kids come to this site and we try to keep a family atmosphere and then something like this pops up...people don't start posts about alcohol and how much they drink or whatever....but to start a post about "who chews" or "whos dips what?" is pointless and a bad messege for the youngsters....just my $0.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] as of right now it is legal for adults to chew same as drink...I have seen lots of people talking about the weekend and sitting around having a few cold ones and how good they were..... [/ QUOTE ] I'm guilty of that myself.I guess there are some grey areas as to what can and can't be posted. [/ QUOTE ] I was just thinking of "Favorite Beer" posts when I came across someone had already mentioned it. Heck I have seen picks on here with people holding a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here Yeah and what about all the people that post about shooting Mathe** or **wtech bows.....how unsafe and irresponsible can you get? I hope my son never sees such vile and profane utterings here! I am kind of torn, as I think these forums are a little overmoderated as it is. If a kids is so moldable that anything that anyone here says changes their behavior, there really wasn't much chance of that kid's survival anyway. It is a legal product and perhaps the members that spoke out against it would be the only anti-smokeless use words a teen might see. Perhaps the dissenters to the post might sway someone the other way.??? New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronS Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here The statement has been made that it is legal for adults to chew, so maybe it's ok here. Viewing porn is also legal for adults, but there's no way we would want that here or anywhere a child could see it. Why? Because it's bad for them. Kind of like chew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here [ QUOTE ] Should this be allowed here [/ QUOTE ] Why not... Heck there's no secret here. People smoke and chew everyday. It's called life... I know it's a nasty habit and I hope todays kids will be wise enough to stay way from stuff like that. They talk about it in schools, on national TV and the general puplic all the time. Don't take me wrong Range because I know were your coming from...Somethings just don't make sence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here Im a teenager in here and this is just my 2cents doesnt mean much. But here i go you guys talking about what you chew and the flavor and how you like skoal has not effect on me what so ever and i wouldnt think it would any of the other teens in here. You cant put a stop to everything i dont think. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbowhunter Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here A friend of mine had cancer of the mouth and it disfigured his face after all the surgeries (several) and he is still with us, snuff was the blame for the cancer and he used snuff from high school till cancer struck about 10 years ago, now in his 40's he is cancer free and hunting and fishing and working enjoying his family and life.....life is to short to add to the risk of cutting it short, and I don't think the Realtree message board should be a billboard to talk about the mess or approve it...alot of young people read this board...just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here What??? I presume that it doesn't make any difference what the members here want so how about just asking the moderating community. I'm sure they have a handle on what they want on this site. It looks good to me so far. Clean cut and organized. Walking through life with blinder on, it's tough to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here [ QUOTE ] What??? I presume that it doesn't make any difference what the members here want so how about just asking the moderating community. I'm sure they have a handle on what they want on this site. It looks good to me so far. Clean cut and organized. Walking through life with blinder on, it's tough to see. [/ QUOTE ] The mods do have the place in here but we can voice ourselves then let the mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here [ QUOTE ] Ill take your side on this one. Somethings probably shouldnt be posted on here and the glorification (To any degree) of harmful products probably shouldnt be brought up in this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Right there with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here My husband dips Copenhagen and has tried many many times to quit. I believe he probably goes thru 1 to 2 cans a day. He started when he was in high school. This stuff is more addictive than cigarettes. He wishes he could stop....I wish he could too. It's a nasty habit and the price of this stuff keeps going up and up and up. $5 a can. As far as talking about what kind you chew/dip .......I don't think you should glorify it at all. You guys that are doing it KNOW that it is addictive and harmful. Why would you want to encourage others to start???? If I EVER catch my sons dipping snuff...they will have to EAT that can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here The stuff is bad nobody is arguing that but to the point that I personally feel like it should not be held against us because all the time on here there are people talking about many things that aren't goof for you. So why single us out. No smoking, drinking, dipping, talking about Jjimmy Houston or Michael Waddell drawing on an animal he is not gonna kill or whatever the list goes on and on. Keep going and we won't be able to ask for prayers for anybody or say anything about the war.......when does it stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here I beleive that with the push to keep tobacco ads on TV from influencing our youth, that WE to need to step up to the plate, and do taht very same thing here. Yes, I WAS a user, but NOT ANYMORE. I was a heavy user of smokeless tobacco, and I am DA** LUCKY to not have any ill effects from that usage. I chewed for 20yrs, and have been free for 7. Guess my point is that although legal, why even talk about it here? How would you feel if even 1 PERSON STARTED because of the talk that goes on? Now if we got someone started in hunting or fishing that would be great, right? That's what this place is for, but to potentially promote something that is bad for you, I don't beleive belongs here. But hey, that's just my $.05. (Inflation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Should this be allowed here [ QUOTE ] Guess my point is that although legal, why even talk about it here? How would you feel if even 1 PERSON STARTED because of the talk that goes on? Now if we got someone started in hunting or fishing that would be great, right? That's what this place is for, but to potentially promote something that is bad for you, I don't beleive belongs here. [/ QUOTE ] ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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