Guest HaDeRonDa Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** There have been some great points made by both lovers of crossbows as well as guys who sit the barbed wire. LOl JK! Doc is right all the staes will eventually hammer this out and all states don't need to hammer it out in the same manner. That is what makes me want to live here and not in NY or Mass. As far as giving the anti's ammo against us. They too realize that this is Amarica and we all don't have to agree and conform just because some want us all to. In reality the crossbow does not bring in any more "real" numbers to the sport. It does allow the states to obtain more money from us and they do prey on our stupidity or is it greed? Would any of you object to just allowing the crossbow to be used for the handicapped and allow all others to use a draw lock type mechanism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] Do you really have that low an opinion of hunters? [/ QUOTE ] No, but the mass media and hollywood does and they are the one that portry us in their news stories and media. How much positive press or depictions of hunters have you seen in the last 20 years? 1. Quigley down under 2. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] ...It does allow the states to obtain more money from us and they do prey on our stupidity or is it greed? [/ QUOTE ] If it's anything like New York....Greed defines the state government! [ QUOTE ] Would any of you object to just allowing the crossbow to be used for the handicapped and allow all others to use a draw lock type mechanism? [/ QUOTE ] Here in New York it is currently: It is illegal to take or hunt wildlife: *"With a bow equipped with any mechanical device which is attached to the bow (other than the bowstring) for drawing, holding or releasing the bowstring except for a physically disabled person in possession of a Handicapped Archer Permit (compound bows are legal)".* Here's the regulations governing the "Handicapped Archers Permit"...and hence after recieving that permit being able to use a crossbow: Statutory Authority: ECL Section: 11-0901(15) and 6 NYCRR Part 170.6 and Part 175 The Department may issue a Handicapped Archer Permit allowing the permittee to take big game or small game during the legal season, with a legal bow equipped with a mechanized device for holding and releasing the bowstring providing: The applicant is permanently physically incapable of drawing and or holding a bow because of a physical handicap or disability ; and, the applicant possesses a valid NYS Hunting License for big game or small game and a bowhunting stamp. To apply for this license, contact the Division of Fish, Wildlife and Marine Resources Special Licenses Unit. Special Licenses Unit NYSDEC 625 Broadway Albany, NY 12233-4752 (518)402-8985 Personally I would like to see the regulations relaxed so that temporary disability(medically documented of course), persons past retirement age, and active military personel on leave(with documentation to the leaves duration) could also use a crossbow during the archery season. How much would those changes impact the bow season?...hardly any in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] No, but the mass media and hollywood does and they are the one that portry us in their news stories and media. How much positive press or depictions of hunters have you seen in the last 20 years? [/ QUOTE ] And your point is????? Are you trying to say that all this would go away if we could just agree on crossbows? If we were to somehow automatically agree on every point and stop talking about anything that might have some controversy to it, that all the world would immediately fall in love with us and think that hunters were the most wonderful people on earth? Let's get real. The fact is that there is absolutely no correlation between a crossbow discussion and the way the media or anybody else views us. And if tomorrow we decide to start discussing high fences, baiting, or any of the other normally incendiary topics, I will guarantee that they will not fracture, dent or in any other fashion weaken the hunting community of cause any openings for anti-hunter advances or media contempt. It is simply ridiculous to think that there is any topic that we discuss in an open and honest fashion that will cause any harm at all to hunting or the way the non-hunting world perceives us. Sorry to dwell on this point, but occasionally there are statements made that simply demand to be de-bunked. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** What I'm saying is that these devides, while trivial, add up. The average person doesn't care what kind of weapon is used to harvest an animal and the antis don't want them harvested in the first place. Like the Chinese guy who killed those hunters. He wasn't labled a crazy or a trespasser, he was a Hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** That chinese guy was an idiot that deserves to die!!!! He never should have walked out of the woods alive!!!! -rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHNTR Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] Oh thats great!!! You want crossbow hunters to go out into the woods with their crossbow while the majority is using FIREARMS?!?!?!?! I can see this happening, a Xbow shoots a deer and then a rifle hunter drops it! Just another reason to use the Xbow during the regular bow season! Remind me never to hunt in California!!! [/ QUOTE ] LifeNRA: Actually, I hunt with my bow and arrow during the general firearms season many times as well with no issues. So, your example is weak, IMO. I will say this, based on your statements and continual labeling your screen name is very fitting. You ARE sir, a rifle hunter wanting to infringe YOUR methods into an already established bow only season. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Oh thats great!!! You want crossbow hunters to go out into the woods with their crossbow while the majority is using FIREARMS?!?!?!?! I can see this happening, a Xbow shoots a deer and then a rifle hunter drops it! Just another reason to use the Xbow during the regular bow season! Remind me never to hunt in California!!! [/ QUOTE ] LifeNRA: Actually, I hunt with my bow and arrow during the general firearms season many times as well with no issues. So, your example is weak, IMO. I will say this, based on your statements and continual labeling your screen name is very fitting. You ARE sir, a rifle hunter wanting to infringe YOUR methods into an already established bow only season. Just my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] here we go again, throwing words like "infringe" around...I get it...you like compounds that's good...so hunt with it, and stop trying to "impose" your obvious small minded views on other people. God sakes man...lighten up...all this over deer?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Oh thats great!!! You want crossbow hunters to go out into the woods with their crossbow while the majority is using FIREARMS?!?!?!?! I can see this happening, a Xbow shoots a deer and then a rifle hunter drops it! Just another reason to use the Xbow during the regular bow season! Remind me never to hunt in California!!! [/ QUOTE ] LifeNRA: Actually, I hunt with my bow and arrow during the general firearms season many times as well with no issues. So, your example is weak, IMO. I will say this, based on your statements and continual labeling your screen name is very fitting. You ARE sir, a rifle hunter wanting to infringe YOUR methods into an already established bow only season. Just my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] AND I DONT HUNT WITH MY BOW & ARROW??? Give me a break, your just as bad as any anti-hunter implying your views as to what can and can not be used or done! What does my screen name have anything to with crossbows??? Because they also lobby for HUNTERS!!! Not just gun owners!!! You guys in Cali are so tight with gun laws its sickening, maybe thats why some of your views on crossbows are so strong! Wake up man, you could be killing the chance for some hunter the opertunity to go hunting! But you dont and wont care! Because if that hunter NEEDS to use a crossbow you will do anything and everything in your power to KILL that persons chances! All for the sake in your beliefs!!! Yes I am a rifle hunter, for 31 years I hunted deer with a rifle, SO WHAT!!! I have owned a bow for two years now and regretting the fact I never got one sooner! So now I bow hunt as well. I have never infringed my methods on anyone, but appearently you do!!! Since you sit on some board and throw your chest out about not supporting crossbows, even if it gets a another hunter in the woods! Able or dis-abled!!! To me SIR, thats pathetic!!! This is the same mentality California has had all these years when it comes to hunting of any type of animal! Look at the mountain lion population! All them tree-huggers in your state killed that type of hunting. Now their populations are growing, and killing HUMANS!!! But thats ok for some people to say its just nature!!! OH BROTHER!!! Another good reason I will never visit California, you can have it! NRA fights hard in that state to keep the laws of gun owners and HUNTERS!!! Maybe they should just write California OFF!!! BTW! I am proud for the fact that I am a LIFE MEMBER OF THE NRA!!! Maybe you dont care for what they are trying to do. Look at our brothers in Canada! They know first hand as to what gun restrictions are! Who knows what will be the future of hunting in GENERAL!!! Maybe you should be more concerned about the future of hunting than be worrying about what type of weapon can be used in a particular season! Let the State Fish & Game departments do that job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHNTR Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** Yaaaaaawwwwnnnn! You just proved my point. Have a good season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] Yaaaaaawwwwnnnn! You just proved my point. Have a good season. [/ QUOTE ] And I believe you just proved mine and a few others points about you! ALL FOR YOU AND NOTHING BUT YOU! WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF SILENCE! BE HONORED, YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE ON MY IGNORE LIST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HONKERS44 Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** Great Post...!! anyways..i'm a bowhunter of 35 years...i've gotten into xbowing the last 2 years..and love it and still will use my bow...at the momment i'm chasing gobblers in the next week with my bow..i have to clear a thing or 2...Crossbows are much faster then bows....my barnett is shooting 360Fps that with ic Bemans thunderbolts 100 grain points....it's acurrate up to 60 yards....but i only shoot 40 yards at the most depending on condtions, as for my bow...i have a 4 yearold PSE f-1maxis set at 66 lbs it only shoots 250FPS accurate up to 50 yards...meaning thats my peak yardage i'd shoot depending on condtions......so the bow and the xbow are about head to head in shooting yardage...but the speed is much faster with a x-bow....knetic energy i'm not sure....i'm thinking it all depends on what broadhead your useing....just a few facts....thanks Thunderbolt125 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** Don't be too hard on BOHNTR, he is a very accomplished bow-hunter and Trophy hunter with I think 25 entries in either P&Y or the state record books. My hat's off to you for that giant feat, for sure. I'm a bit concerned though that your opinion about cross-bows, not being bows, is because of your life history of being a trophy hunter and your afiliation with P&Y. It sounds like it's been your life-long drive when it comes to hunting and Trophies. I think you are speaking only for the club on these issues and have no real feel for the rest of the hunters nation-wide, or the actual fact that a cross-bow, is nothing more than a horizonally held bow, with a string lock device. I'm concerned when I see a guy that has been a trophy hunter all his life, just to get your name in the record books really has a grasp of what hunting is to others who couldn't care less about getting a trophy animal. When we start letting P&Y definitions of what a bow is or isn't, spill over into our mainstream hunting rules and regs, we have a problem. Some mighty fine animals you've gotton through the years BOHNTR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** P&Y as a private club can have any rules they want. This is what lawmakers should care about. [ QUOTE ] The cross bow shoots the same basic projectiles with the same exact broadheads. They have similar practical range as the average bow when you consider that leagal bows can be shot at 30+ with many hunters shooting 75+ compounds. In states where crossbows are legal they have made very little tangible impact on the overall deer harvest for the state and have only helped deer populations cosidering that bow hunters tend to practice better management by harvesting a higher percentages of does than riffle hunters of any type. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHNTR Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** Buckee: I'm not at all anti-crossbow.....I sure hope you do not feel that I am. In fact, I think they are a valuable tool to hunt with for sportsmen. I simply do not agree they should be classified as a bow and arrow because of the reasons I have already explained. Therefore, It's my opinion they should not be a part of the bow only season. It's really that simple. Nothing personal at all. Yes, I'm a long time P&Y member and official measurer. However, I am making this decision based on years of my own bowhunting upbringing. Remember, my father built bows in the early years and I was brought up with many of those values and beliefs. I simply beleive there needs to be a line drawn and that's where "I" personally draw it. This definition is not only P&Y's and mine but also MANY other states in this great country. Yes, I'm definately more of a selective hunter these days. I really don't mind going home empty handed. However, I do go home with "trophys" in my eyes and not the Clubs. I do beleive in the what the P&Y Club strives for, however, I'm not speaking on their behalf. As a supporting member, I do not always agree with everything we do as a Club either (like any club). However, they do a lot for bowhunters and sportsmen nationwide, IMO. Thanks for the respectful response, I truly appreciate it. This type of topic can get heated at times, as many hear have labeld me and directed harsh PM's. I hope they can realize that not everyone is going to agree with their views at times. Good luck this season Buckee and post those photos up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** I think I understand where your coming from now Roy, with the background you've had with bows, but I'd bet ya if you were to go back in time, before gunpowder entered the scene, and walked up to the son of a crossbow maker, and try to convince him that his Dad made crossguns, not horizontal bows on a stick ..., he'd look at you with a very puzzled look and say..HUH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] Don't be too hard on BOHNTR, he is a very accomplished bow-hunter and Trophy hunter with I think 25 entries in either P&Y or the state record books. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe this is why he is pushing his agenga so much! 99% of us in here are just normal hunters! I personally could care less about P&Y or B&C! I hunt because I enjoy the outdoors and what comes from it! I have no reason what so ever to be a Trophy hunter, sure one is nice that I wont deny! But this guy whoever he is, (personally I dont care either), is trying to keep the hunters in his state, or any other state, from using a crossbow during the regular bow season! Just because it holds like a gun! But still shoots a projectile like a regular bow! [ QUOTE ] have no real feel for the rest of the hunters nation-wide [/ QUOTE ] Which makes him an elitist the more and more I read about him! Oh BTW there mister P&Y I took you off of ignore for the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** This thread is still going ?!?!? I guess "trivial" arguments are more interesting to some of you, than actual informative posts...... How 'bout we all just agree to disagree and move on..........cause this is obviously going no-where. Spring seasons are in full swing and the fall ones will be upon us before we know it, so let's talking hunting guys........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] This thread is still going ?!?!? I guess "trivial" arguments are more interesting to some of you, than actual informative posts...... How 'bout we all just agree to disagree and move on..........cause this is obviously going no-where. Spring seasons are in full swing and the fall ones will be upon us before we know it, so let's talking hunting guys........ [/ QUOTE ] I agree Rut! This is going nowhere! Maybe its time to put this one to bed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHNTR Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] have no real feel for the rest of the hunters nation-wide Which makes him an elitist the more and more I read about him! [/ QUOTE ] LifeRifleguy: If you're going to quote me, please make sure it was I who posted it. Another member posted this particular one. I realize you have trouble grasping what you are reading at times, but accuracy is needed. I'm glad you're no longer ignoring me. Why, the thought of you not liking me.....I just don't know if I could bare it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** Many posts here just bend over and kiss a behind and say "great post". The real situation and decision is: Is it a gun or bow.? Do you recognize it okay during archery season? Or Gun season? That is the real question.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** I was doing a little more research on this topic and came across this great article,,, and found alot of the points well stated and thought maybe I would share it here... It's abit long but well worth the read... Bow versus Crossbow Bow hunters say the crossbow is evil and gives an unfair advantage, but what is the real low down on the two? I had only just stepped onto the archery club range when a very polite range master explained to me that they did not allow my type at their range. I assumed that it was a membership issue and asked about the price to join. He explained that I would not be able to join. I thought for a moment that maybe it was a racial thing, but when I looked at the line of shooters I saw a classic southwestern mix. So what was it? The range master continued politely, trying his best to explain a difficult point I had yet to understand. "It's not you sir, it's your crossbow. We don't allow crossbows on this range." Although I was stunned, I maintained composure and listened to his well rehearsed reasons. Being new to archery at that time I accepted what he told me until I could research it on my own. It was not long before I was hearing the same anti-crossbow propaganda from a number of other archers, although most were far less polite about it. Many actually bordered on real hostility. I was surprised. Was I still living in the dark ages where crossbows were considered evil? I was not, but I had just met a handful of people that probably still held a grudge against Galileo. Now, all this is not to meant as a slam against archery enthusiasts. These were simply people who lacked any first hand knowledge and were repeating the misinformation they had been told at one time or another. As a whole, I have found bow hunters to be a conscienscous group and the best representatives of hunters as a whole. Bow hunting is **** hard and takes a commendable amount of discipline to do. The following is a list of complaints/misinformation commonly propagated on the subject: Let's cover some of these modern myths about the two by first interjecting my own underlying belief: Unless you are shooting a primitive bow (i.e.: longbows, recurves, no pulleys, etc) you have no place to make any of the allegations listed above. The guys like Fred Bear who went out into the wild and brought back a dead grizzly with nothing more than a 45lb recurve bow are the guys that really get my respect. The modern bow hunter (or crossbow hunter for that matter) carries afield a weapon made from space age polymers, pulleys, and advanced sights. Hardly the stuff of Robin Hood. Let's go through these myths point by point: 1) Crossbows are too powerful and therefore an unfair advantage when hunting. This statement is only partially true. Most crossbows on the market are of at least 150lb draw strength. Most bows on the market can be set as high as 60-75lb draw. However, the power stroke (distance the string travels from rest to full draw) on a crossbow is usually little better than 14". On a bow, the power stroke can be as much as 31". It is during the power stroke that an arrow gains its velocity. It is pretty easy to see how these two factors balance each other out. What it really comes down to is how heavy is your arrow (bolt) and how fast is it traveling? Currently, the fastest crossbows on the market throw a factory arrow at 300fps. This speed can be matched by a number of bows on the market currently. The only advantage there would be the difference in price (favoring the crossbow.) Two other serious considerations to be taken into account is that the crossbow makes more noise when fired and follow up shots are slower. But, the crossbow can be bench-rested on any handy tree or blind while the shooter takes as long as he needs to make the shot. 2) The crossbow is so powerful that the bolts destroy bales of hay used as backstops. This statement is also founded in a certain measure of truth. Actually bolts do no more damage to bales of hay and straw than do arrows. They don't even penetrate any deeper, but what happens is that the shorter bolt (14-20") will literally disappear into a bale whereas a 30" arrow would still have its shaft protruding for the archer to retrieve their projectiles. So what happens? Crossbow shooters (who lack respect for the archery club's range) tear into the bale trying to recover their bolts (that they were told not to use on bales of hay in the first place.) Then the next day when the range master comes in he finds a demolished bale on his range and rightly curses crossbow users. Bottom line: If you find an archery club that will let you shoot on their range, bring your own target. Ethafoam targets for crossbows are considerably thicker in order to stop the bolt before it over penetrates and shears off the fletchings. Ripped up bales are not a crossbow issue, but rather an issue of rude visitors. It's understandable why rangemasters would despise crossbows. 3) The trigger on a crossbow gives it an unfair advantage over bows which have to be drawn and fired. Were it that crossbows had a monopoly on triggers I would be forced to agree with that statement. But the real truth is that triggers are available (and widely used) for bows. In fact, the bow hunter gets a way better deal out of it all. Think about it, with a crossbow if you want a trigger job you either have to find someone who will even do the work (if you can...it will be expensive) or send it back to the factory (if they will do the work--most won't.) This would involve permanent modifications to your crossbow. But with a bow, there are dozens of triggers available and most cost almost nothing compared to a crossbow trigger job. Better yet, many are adjustable. Even if you don't like the trigger you bought first, you can toss it in a drawer and go buy another brand. I sure wish I could just drop in a Timney trigger like that. 4) The use of telescopic sights violates the purity of archery as a means of hunting. I agree. Personally I have long felt that the true purists, those who hunt with primitive bows should have a special bow season above and beyond that enjoyed by compound bows and crossbows. Now that I have ticked off a whole class of people, let me lay this on you. Modern bow sights are actually better than the telescopic sights on crossbows (actually bows can now be outfitted with any sight you want including laser sights.) How could this be so? The modern box site for a bow usually has a series of pins that are individually adjustable for both elevation and windage. With a scope though, there are usually a series of crosshairs with windage marks. The real burn is that you cannot individually adjust the various crosshairs. Usually this works, but often you find that your 35 or 45 yard reticules shoot a little high or low. Given the choice I would prefer a box site and forgo the magnification. 5) Crossbow hunters shoot like they have a rifle and negligently injure their prey rather than the clean-kill seen by conventional archers This is another one of those user-related issues. The real culprit here (if this is actually a regularly occurring issue) is the hunter. Your point of aim should be the same regardless of whether you hunt with a bow, a rifle, or even a pistol. To me, people who hunt without developing the necessary skills to be proficient are no different than slobs who shoot from the back of their truck. 6) Crossbows have far greater range that a bow. If we allow them to be used during archery season, the game would be harvested at dangerous levels. There was a very brief period of time that I actually began to believe this (for lack of my own research.) So there I was acting all proud on the range thinking that my crossbow was significantly more powerful than any bow on the range (I'd seen the movie The Flying Geese a few times) when the guy next to me began shooting a 25 yard group no bigger than a quarter. I asked him if he had any trouble with splitting his own arrows with a group like that. "No, I shoot the clock." he replied. "Shoot the what?" A term I had not yet heard of. "Shoot the clock, my first arrow is at twelve o'clock, the second arrow at three o'clock, and so on." He pointed out matter of factly. "That's not a clock, that's a wrist watch buddy." I commented. So I switched to the 35 yard target and continued shooting. Before long, he was shooting a smaller 45 yard group than my 25 yard group. Finally, he switched to the 80 yard target and his group opened up a little (very little at that!) As I stood marveling at what was the archery equivalent of a one-hole group, he turned to me and said "And that's my slow bow." As it turned out I was shooting beside a sponsored shooter who made his living with a bow. He found my Barnett RC-150 crossbow interesting and even commented that they had carried an almost identical crossbow at Air America back in the 60's. It was at that point that he explained to me in a most grandfatherly way that even the best crossbow on the market would shoot accurately out to about 80 yards (in the hands of a pro) but that for hunting purposes my maximum effective range was more like 45 yards. What surprised me was that he admitted that despite his skill with the bow, he himself would rarely take a shot beyond the 45 yard mark because too much energy was bled off the arrow past that point. For those of you who watched The Wild Geese and came away believing that a 200 yard head-shot (in the dark no less) was within the capabilities of your average, off-the-shelf crossbow, a more accurate depiction of the crossbow in a wartime application can be seen in the movie Green Berets. There you will see sentries being dispatched at 10 to 15 yards. I would love to tell you that the crossbow really is a magical device, but the fact is that most crossbows use the same limbs as bows offered by the same manufacturer. Granted, there have been crossbows throughout history that were of staggering power and range (most notable was a crew serviced, magazine fed behemoth that fired 1 lb quills up to a mile), but modern commercial grade crossbows are really little different from their bow cousins. As a hunter you should be more concerned with game laws in your state and how they apply to these devices. Most states either do not allow crossbows for hunting or severely limit their use/season. In Arizona crossbows are only allowed during general rifle season, HAM hunts (handgun/archery/muzzleloader), and black powder season. Note that I did not mention archery season because they are prohibited for those hunts unless a physical disability exists. I got this article here >>>> http://www.geocities.com/gunversation/bo...20as%20targets. I hope you all enjoyed this article as much as I did, and hopefull it put a better perspective on what the Crossbow actually can and can't do... 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buckee Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** That was a good artical Luke...thanks. The truth shall set you free....(well, some of us) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [/ QUOTE ] Let me ask the pro crossguners something? If the crossgun is NOT legal in your state to hunt with, what have you done to promote it and get it legalized in your state? If it is only legal to hunt with, if you are disabled with a permit, then have you wrote,called or lobbied a politico or game commision to allow the use of cross b b b bows.( I'm trying) for whatever season you feel it should be in for non disabled people? I know I belong to a large organization that supports what I believe in...Ain't America great! [/ QUOTE ] Would someone answer this question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Crossbow Facts ** [ QUOTE ] Let me ask the pro crossguners something? [/ QUOTE ] Is there a such thing ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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