Addct2hntng Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters I still cant believe this happen !!! my prayers go out to the family .. just before hearing this happen a guy at work told us how him and his brother went to this public land to do a drive and there was a hunter running out of the woods telling him DONT GO IN THERE !! they asked why and as they asked they heard shots coming from the woods . they were then told there was a group of mongs hunting and shooting anything that moved !!! so him and his brother went to the other side of the woods were all there vehicles were parked to see what was going on . after waiting and listening to shots ringing threw the woods a group of 6 people exited the woods carring a turkey,several birds and a raccon . they couldnt believe what they seen . they didnt call the dnr which I dont know why I would have I guess they didnt want the trouble.. I am not racist by no means there are stupid people no matter what color you are but these people think they are doing no wrong and its just wrecking hunting for the rest of us . if you dont know the rules and know how to hunt safe and enjoy the outdoors you shouldnt be out there!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grunter Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Hey All, so you all know, this was a tragic and horrific incident. I work for the hospital the survivors were brought to and I know the families involved. Our community is in total disbelief and mourning! Hope you never have to experience what we are going through here in Rice Lake. It will be some time before we know what really happened out there. And, even then it won't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Just heard on the radio that another victim died from this attack. I hope they fry that sob. Today I had to listen to one of the women at work bad mouth hunters because of this incident. I straightened her a$$ out real quick! I also told her that if anyone ever assaults me like that they had better kill me because I will kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters 6 shot dead over someone being caught over being on the wrong land. What is wrong here!!?? You were caught on someone elses land in someone elses stand. You have no right to do this. Do you think the State puts out treestands for all hunters to use when they come upon them. Prison is too good for this guy. I say run him through the woods and let hunters hunt him down the cold hearted killer!!! Makes you really wonder and think before you confront someone in the woods. People are becoming more unstable. He shouldn't even be classified as a hunter, he's a scumbag!!! Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Just shocked and amazed that something like this can happen. I pray for the families and friends of the victims and for hunters everywhere whose heritage will be attacked by this senseless act. This may be the time to let the world know who we are and what we stand for. This Vang was certainly not a hunter in any sense of the word. Most of the terms that may fit him have not been used by the mass media. We need to express our opinions and concern to that media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntn4bucks Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters I am very glad to read that you guys don't consider this a race issue...I truly hope you mean that. Although I’m not from Laos (the primary nationality of the Hmong community), I am a descendant of Southeast Asia...Cambodia and Vietnam to be exact. This tragedy has not only caused me grief as a hunter but as an American that happens to be Asian as well. I say American because that's what I am. My family gave up everything they had to bring my brother and me to America to enjoy the freedoms of this country. It truly upsets me that some people out there make this out to be a race issue. If you break the laws of this country, no matter what race, you should be held accountable for your actions. Period. I really don't know why I made this post...just felt compelled for some reason. Sorry. h4b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartonman Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Truly a horrible turn of events.....I'd bet the two hunters that showed this killer the road was glad they found out he ran out of ammo....no matter what the nationality is of the suspect, killing is killing......I really am sick over this, and my prayers go out to the family of the victims....so sad...and I will bet that they will be guarding that guy in a seg unit, cause I cant imagine him not getting killed in custody over this one.....inmates have a way of doing those things. al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters [ QUOTE ] I cant imagine him not getting killed in custody over this one.....inmates have a way of doing those things. al [/ QUOTE ] Just the way Dahmer was dealt with a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters [ QUOTE ] Saw that on MSNBC- "common hunting weapon"? Yeah, right! I have yet to see anyone deer hunting with an SKS!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Killed my first deer with an sks, it is a pretty good deer rifle. This guy is a nut. Would not have mattered if he had of had a semi auto remington, a bolt action or a slug gun, he did not value human life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billygoat Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Latest news tonight is that the man, had served 6 years in the US military in California... as what else... a sharp shooter (he even got an accomodation for performance) wee hee. His latest claim is that he was shot at first after racial slurs were thrown at him, so he began to shoot back. I don't mean to dog the SKS (I am certainly not for the restriction of firearms) but that rifle has been nothing but trouble to the deer hunter since it showed up in the early 90's. It is difficult to set up, and many (some) of the individuals who hunt w/ it set it up like an assault rifle. You hear them rattle of 15 to 20 rounds at a deer and wonder what the **** their thinking. The sad fact is, this whole situation is bad for all of us hunters. I am not a racist, and certainly strive to promote unity between all cultures, however, the mung community is notorious for tresspassing and as previously mentioned they are often exempt from prosecution due to their inability to understand the english language. This might be crazy : but I believe any individual applying for a liscence (in today's society) regardless of age, race, sex, or ethnic background, should be required to present a valid hunter education card. That might bother some individuals in their 40's and 50's who have hunted for years, but for the good of the sport, and to weed out the idiots, I think it is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters all I can say after the story developes is fry the jerk and beleieve me id use stronger language is the boards would allow me I men they called him a name and I guess he can shoot them ALL for that give me a freaking break what a looser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grunter Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Having known and worked with family members of the victims of this senseless act, you can begin to fathom what they are going through. Same with our community. As a whole we are pretty tight-knit community and the families are very well known. Hearing today's breaking news makes the disbelief that much more. Being an employee of Lakeview Medical Center, and having one of our own involved makes this time extremely difficult. As a member of the administrative staff, members ofmy own staff were involved in the incident, it is heart-wrenching to see them try to cope with this. If any of you are interested, the is a fund that has been established: The Rice Lake Survivors and Victims Fund c/o Dairy State Bank, 16 S Main Street, Rice Lake, WI 54868. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addct2hntng Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters grunter I cant send much but I will mail a check out . my prays out to the family noone deserves this any sport or hobby is for familys to do and not have to worry about stuff like this its a tragedy ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bond Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter Just watched the news again - He's gonna plead self defence. I can see self defence as an option if he was shot at first and he just did enough to save his life. But this guy shot 3 people, some of them with their BACK TURNED YELLING FOR HELP. then he shot 2 more people that came in peace afterwords. SELF DEFENCE ISN'T SHOOTING SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH THEIR BACKS TURNED! And knowing what kind of law system we have I'm sure he won't get a full sentence. Oh yeah they also said insanity isn't a very probable plead in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billygoat Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters Jeff, once again, irregardless of what was said, retaliation is not how differences are to be solved... what does it take for individuals to get that through our heads... if every time someone called me something I didn't like, or did something I didn't approve of; I in turn fired off a couple of quick rounds, what type of society would we live in... THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SUCH AN ACT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters More to the story or not in regards to who shot first or racial slurs, he continued killing even after it would not have any longer been self defense. Therefore I simply do not think he will get off the hook for what he has done. He is a murderer, pain and simple. Maybe the first couple guys he took out were in self defense and then he lost it. Again on the issue of the rifle, what difference does it make that is was an sks. The sks has not ever been on any weapons ban lists as far as I know unlike the similarly designed ak-47. The sks is getting a bad rap due to this idiot. What if he had a semi auto bar with a 5 round capacity and he reloaded a few times? What is the difference really, the people were killed and it is not the fault of the gun, blaming this on a type of weapon is just what the antis want to hear and hearing some of the remarks from other hunters in here because it is not a weapon you would use, dont bash it without knowing anything about it. The suggestion that setting up an sks for hunting is in any way difficult is an ignorant statement. I took mine out of the box after I purchased it in the early 90's, and it was dead on with the factory open sights. Shot my first deer with that gun without ever having had made any adjustments to it whatsoever and it was the cleanest kill on a deer I have ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooBear Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters If he served 6 years in the US military in California... Why cant He speak english very well?? How is it hard to set up an SKS as a hunting rifle? Fry him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters The report is in here in another thread. From what I can gather Vang was approached, he then got down and it is agreed that he started to leave, then thats where the differing stories start coming out. He claims one of the guys in the group started to shoulder a rifle and he dropped and fired two rounds at the guy with the rifle and then as the others started scurrying around he began firing on them as well. Vang in his statement even admits chasing one of them down and shooting them in the back. That is not self defense. Will be interesting to hear the survivors side of the story. It is too bad Wisconsin does not have the death penalty. Think based on what I have seen and read on this it is pretty safe for me to predict this guy gets the max penalty allowed by the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter [ QUOTE ] Just watched the news again - He's gonna plead self defence. I can see self defence as an option if he was shot at first and he just did enough to save his life. But this guy shot 3 people, some of them with their BACK TURNED YELLING FOR HELP. then he shot 2 more people that came in peace afterwords. SELF DEFENCE ISN'T SHOOTING SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH THEIR BACKS TURNED! And knowing what kind of law system we have I'm sure he won't get a full sentence. Oh yeah they also said insanity isn't a very probable plead in this case. [/ QUOTE ] I may get a lot of crap for this, but I have to say it. I have been thinking about this non stop since the day it happened, I was in the woods 45 mins south of there hunting when it was going on. I was wondering what all the helicopters and planes traveling overhead was all about, it wasn't normal. Anyway, if I were the shooter and a group of armed hunters confronted me shouting racial slurs at me.. aimed a rifle at me and shot in my direction I would of done the same thing.. crouched down behind cover and unloaded my clip on them shooting to kill.. wouldn't of even thought twice about it. Why you say.. simple. In this part of WI which I am extremely familar with the racism against hmongs is at a very high level among most people who live there.. for several reasons. MOST Hmongs have no hunter etiquete whatsoever, they do tresspass on lands.. they poach, shoot game out of season.. etc. One group of Hmongs who own an 80 acre tract in Jackson county where I own land admitted, after being arrested by the DNR to killing 71 deer during the year 2003 alone. This is part of the reason the racism is there against this group, by no means does it make the racist sterotypes right or justified at all. If the story turns out the way the shooter is claiming, it was self defense.. the hmong man had no idea what the intent of the landowner was.. if he did aim the gun at the hmong man and discharge a round then the hmong man is justified in shooting back and killing him. He was severly outnumbered, and after being shot at he doesn't know the intent, for all he knew they were shooting to kill and if he didn't shoot them he would of been shot and killed. When the people came on ATV's they could of been armed with pistols, shotguns, automatic weapons, RPG's.. anything.. he didn't know. As far as the kid running away goes.. he could of ran away and came back with an RPG for all the man knew. He was severly outnumbered and was thinking these people wanted to kill him, this is IF.. and a big IF his story is true and the man did fire on him first... (which I do not have a hard time believing knowing the hatred many northern WI people have against Hmongs) then he is justified. I do not condone by any means his shooting of unarmed people, but if he was shot at first then I don't have a hard time understanding it. I would of shot at the person or persons shooting at me but probably no one else. I would of ran after the initial threat was eliminated (IE the guy with a firearm who shot at me first). But then again, you have to put into context the thought of concealed weapons, what if the other people who didn't appear to be armed had handguns inside the jackets? What if the people running back to the cabin came back and fired at him with bigger weapons? Like I said, if someone fired at me I would of shot back until the threat was eliminated then left.. if he kept shooting people that weren't a threat to him then he needs to be convicted of homicide... but if it can be proven the others were indeed a threat and he was fired on first then the man needs to be let go. This is my take on it, roast me if you will but I think it's a logical explaniation. I DO NOT condone shooting hunters if it is not an act of self defense and if the man was not shot at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut-Nut Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter No way was this guy justified in shooting 9 people!!!! By all accounts, he had every opportunity to just walk away. There is no way in @#$%, when you chase someone and shoot them in the back, that it can be considered SELF DEFENCE!!!!! It's no different than guys breaking in to your house- it is self defense up to the point where you follow them out of your house and chase them down and shoot them in the back! There is a difference between shooting at someone to protect yourself from a defensive position- and going on the offensive and chasing after someone to kill them!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter MattA311 the problem with your view is what he did after teh initial shots. He then chased down those fleeing and shot them in the back. After that he returned and finished off those still living. This is by his own account! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washi Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just watched the news again - He's gonna plead self defence. I can see self defence as an option if he was shot at first and he just did enough to save his life. But this guy shot 3 people, some of them with their BACK TURNED YELLING FOR HELP. then he shot 2 more people that came in peace afterwords. SELF DEFENCE ISN'T SHOOTING SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH THEIR BACKS TURNED! And knowing what kind of law system we have I'm sure he won't get a full sentence. Oh yeah they also said insanity isn't a very probable plead in this case. [/ QUOTE ] I may get a lot of crap for this, but I have to say it. I have been thinking about this non stop since the day it happened, I was in the woods 45 mins south of there hunting when it was going on. I was wondering what all the helicopters and planes traveling overhead was all about, it wasn't normal. Anyway, if I were the shooter and a group of armed hunters confronted me shouting racial slurs at me.. aimed a rifle at me and shot in my direction I would of done the same thing.. crouched down behind cover and unloaded my clip on them shooting to kill.. wouldn't of even thought twice about it. Why you say.. simple. In this part of WI which I am extremely familar with the racism against hmongs is at a very high level among most people who live there.. for several reasons. MOST Hmongs have no hunter etiquete whatsoever, they do tresspass on lands.. they poach, shoot game out of season.. etc. One group of Hmongs who own an 80 acre tract in Jackson county where I own land admitted, after being arrested by the DNR to killing 71 deer during the year 2003 alone. This is part of the reason the racism is there against this group, by no means does it make the racist sterotypes right or justified at all. If the story turns out the way the shooter is claiming, it was self defense.. the hmong man had no idea what the intent of the landowner was.. if he did aim the gun at the hmong man and discharge a round then the hmong man is justified in shooting back and killing him. He was severly outnumbered, and after being shot at he doesn't know the intent, for all he knew they were shooting to kill and if he didn't shoot them he would of been shot and killed. When the people came on ATV's they could of been armed with pistols, shotguns, automatic weapons, RPG's.. anything.. he didn't know. As far as the kid running away goes.. he could of ran away and came back with an RPG for all the man knew. He was severly outnumbered and was thinking these people wanted to kill him, this is IF.. and a big IF his story is true and the man did fire on him first... (which I do not have a hard time believing knowing the hatred many northern WI people have against Hmongs) then he is justified. I do not condone by any means his shooting of unarmed people, but if he was shot at first then I don't have a hard time understanding it. I would of shot at the person or persons shooting at me but probably no one else. I would of ran after the initial threat was eliminated (IE the guy with a firearm who shot at me first). But then again, you have to put into context the thought of concealed weapons, what if the other people who didn't appear to be armed had handguns inside the jackets? What if the people running back to the cabin came back and fired at him with bigger weapons? Like I said, if someone fired at me I would of shot back until the threat was eliminated then left.. if he kept shooting people that weren't a threat to him then he needs to be convicted of homicide... but if it can be proven the others were indeed a threat and he was fired on first then the man needs to be let go. This is my take on it, roast me if you will but I think it's a logical explaniation. I DO NOT condone shooting hunters if it is not an act of self defense and if the man was not shot at first. [/ QUOTE ] Congrats! You now have posted the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just watched the news again - He's gonna plead self defence. I can see self defence as an option if he was shot at first and he just did enough to save his life. But this guy shot 3 people, some of them with their BACK TURNED YELLING FOR HELP. then he shot 2 more people that came in peace afterwords. SELF DEFENCE ISN'T SHOOTING SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH THEIR BACKS TURNED! And knowing what kind of law system we have I'm sure he won't get a full sentence. Oh yeah they also said insanity isn't a very probable plead in this case. [/ QUOTE ] I may get a lot of crap for this, but I have to say it. I have been thinking about this non stop since the day it happened, I was in the woods 45 mins south of there hunting when it was going on. I was wondering what all the helicopters and planes traveling overhead was all about, it wasn't normal. Anyway, if I were the shooter and a group of armed hunters confronted me shouting racial slurs at me.. aimed a rifle at me and shot in my direction I would of done the same thing.. crouched down behind cover and unloaded my clip on them shooting to kill.. wouldn't of even thought twice about it. Why you say.. simple. In this part of WI which I am extremely familar with the racism against hmongs is at a very high level among most people who live there.. for several reasons. MOST Hmongs have no hunter etiquete whatsoever, they do tresspass on lands.. they poach, shoot game out of season.. etc. One group of Hmongs who own an 80 acre tract in Jackson county where I own land admitted, after being arrested by the DNR to killing 71 deer during the year 2003 alone. This is part of the reason the racism is there against this group, by no means does it make the racist sterotypes right or justified at all. If the story turns out the way the shooter is claiming, it was self defense.. the hmong man had no idea what the intent of the landowner was.. if he did aim the gun at the hmong man and discharge a round then the hmong man is justified in shooting back and killing him. He was severly outnumbered, and after being shot at he doesn't know the intent, for all he knew they were shooting to kill and if he didn't shoot them he would of been shot and killed. When the people came on ATV's they could of been armed with pistols, shotguns, automatic weapons, RPG's.. anything.. he didn't know. As far as the kid running away goes.. he could of ran away and came back with an RPG for all the man knew. He was severly outnumbered and was thinking these people wanted to kill him, this is IF.. and a big IF his story is true and the man did fire on him first... (which I do not have a hard time believing knowing the hatred many northern WI people have against Hmongs) then he is justified. I do not condone by any means his shooting of unarmed people, but if he was shot at first then I don't have a hard time understanding it. I would of shot at the person or persons shooting at me but probably no one else. I would of ran after the initial threat was eliminated (IE the guy with a firearm who shot at me first). But then again, you have to put into context the thought of concealed weapons, what if the other people who didn't appear to be armed had handguns inside the jackets? What if the people running back to the cabin came back and fired at him with bigger weapons? Like I said, if someone fired at me I would of shot back until the threat was eliminated then left.. if he kept shooting people that weren't a threat to him then he needs to be convicted of homicide... but if it can be proven the others were indeed a threat and he was fired on first then the man needs to be let go. This is my take on it, roast me if you will but I think it's a logical explaniation. I DO NOT condone shooting hunters if it is not an act of self defense and if the man was not shot at first. [/ QUOTE ] Congrats! You now have posted the stupidest thing I have ever seen on these forums. [/ QUOTE ] Eh. I think you just beat everyone the second you posted this. Try to think and read what I said fully before coming on here and behaving irrationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunter [ QUOTE ] No way was this guy justified in shooting 9 people!!!! By all accounts, he had every opportunity to just walk away. There is no way in @#$%, when you chase someone and shoot them in the back, that it can be considered SELF DEFENCE!!!!! It's no different than guys breaking in to your house- it is self defense up to the point where you follow them out of your house and chase them down and shoot them in the back! There is a difference between shooting at someone to protect yourself from a defensive position- and going on the offensive and chasing after someone to kill them!!!! [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. I was trying to parrell your statement when I typed mine. I said I would of left after the initial threat wasn't a threat any longer. I hope he gets fried if it can be proven he did go on the offensive. If the kid did turn and run away saying help me, and he shot him in the back then that is homicide and he needs to be fried for it. But i'm sure in his mind he was thinking this kid is just running because he's getting beat at the present time, he'll be back with more weapons to try and get me.. I do not condone shooting any unarmed people that don't have an intent of shooting at you. I can't wait until more comes out on this story. What a black eye on Wisconsin Deer Hunting. How sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billygoat Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Some sick SOB is killing Wisconsin deer hunters [ QUOTE ] What if he had a semi auto bar with a 5 round capacity and he reloaded a few times? and hearing some of the remarks from other hunters in here because it is not a weapon you would use, dont bash it without knowing anything about it. The suggestion that setting up an sks for hunting is in any way difficult is an ignorant statement. Shot my first deer with that gun without ever having had made any adjustments to it whatsoever and it was the cleanest kill on a deer I have ever had. [/ QUOTE ] William, I do not think saying the SKS is a difficult weapon to set-up is at all ignorant.... first things first, the clip recovered was the 20 round banana clip, I believe the state of Wisconsin has a seven shell clip limit (don't quote me on that), further more, as you stated, the SKS comes out of the box w/ iron sights, and since I own one, and have "set" one up, I beleive I can speak to the challenges I encountered with it. The Iron sights do shoot well out of the box, but are large and generally only effective at short range. Vang was set up with a scope, the SKS scope mounts often required modification, filing, or other alterations. The factory 2nd scope mounts occasionally were faulty (I went through three before I had my rifle shooting to where I felt it was "good enough"). I recognize the SKS is an excellent caliber for killing deer and very much resembles the 6mm, I also recognize that it is a gun which SOME individual choose to shoot because it is easily modified to accomidate a large amount of ammo and rapid "spray" shooting. Now I recognize that not everyone hunting with an SKS has it set up in such an assault rifle type fashion, and therefore it is unfair to say that the SKS itself is a bad weapon (that is not what I said nor what I meant). What I am implying, is the structure and setup of the rifle easily lends itself to the "assualt" weapon structure and requires a significant amount of work to accessorize to efficiency... also what is the sport in taking an assault rifle to the woods and spraying 20 rounds at a running buck 200 yards away? And yes, everyyear, I hear the spray of shots and wonder what is in the mind of an individual like that. Oh yes, William, I shot my first 110" seven point buck with an SKS, running @ 150 yards, 2 shots... and I only had 5 in the clip... your right the SKS is an effective gun (when it is used as a hunting rifle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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