johnf Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 My mom is 63 years old is very small 4'10" and has sevier arthritis in her shoulders. She has always been a pretty good shot with a 22lr and wants to try some "deer hunting". The quotes are there because she has about 6 deer every year that come up in thier garden anywhere from 40 -110 yards in front of thier house. Her plan is to literally shoot them from the front porch. I had her try my 243 with 100gr winchester and she said it was too much. I would get her a 223 but I've been looking a little at the 22-250's ballistics it seemed to be much better with around 1600lbs of energy with a 65gr bullet while having similar recoil as the 223. Both had less than 1/2 the recoil of the 243. Does anyone use the 22-250 for deer? BTW She would probibly never shoot it from anywhere but the front porch, and never passed 90-120 yards, probibly more like 50 or 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. I don't recommend any .22 caliber for deer hunting. Yes, many people use them successfully every year but many states stipulate .24 caliber or larger for a reason. Like I usually say, a .22 lr will kill a deer as dead as any .300 magnum but that does not make it a good choice. How about getting a muzzle brake installed on a .243 Win? It can be done for somewhere in the $150 + - range and it will have nill for recoil. You can shoot that setup free recoil and not get hurt. Free recoil is not touching the gun with your shoulder or hand. The only part of your body that touches the gun is the trigger finger and sometimes the thumb on the back of the trigger guard. Another one to think about is a custom barrel in 6mm BR or 6 PPC. The drawback is the price and the need to reload. These are not made by the Rem-own-ger factories. You may be able to have David White make a custom barrel for the NEF in these chamberings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. I was thinking about maybe makeing a rest that she could place the gun in like "the lead sled" and setting it on a ball joint so she could aim. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. BTW-how exactly does a muzzle brake work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. [ QUOTE ] BTW-how exactly does a muzzle brake work? [/ QUOTE ] When you fire a gun, there are two different types of force make it recoil. One is the G force of the bullet moving away and pushing the gun backwards. Remember Newton's Law, every action has equal but oppisite reaction. This is pretty much always going to be there, you can't do anything about that force. The other is the "Rocket" type effect of the rapidly expanding and accelerating gases exiting the muzzle and pushing the gun back. Most bird cage type muzzle brakes ually eliminates this force by diverting the gases 90 deg or more to the bullet path. This reduces the rearward movement of the gun. I would use a muzzle brake over a lead sled type of rest. I am a firm believer of if you can't use enough gun, you don't need to be hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. AJ, does a muzzle brake affect the accuracy at all ? I thought I heard something about them causing your gun to be quite alot louder when discharged. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. It won't affect the accuracy, but it wiill make it so loud that you need real good ear protection! I mean LOUD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. LOL, thats what I heard from someone that has a 30-06 with the brake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Goose Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. i wanna put a brake on my .300 will i still have a windsheild after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. It only makes the gun louder to the shooter. It does not increase the noise level, it redirects the sound waves around the shooter instead of away from the shooter. If you think about it the total amount of sound does not change, just where it goes. The shooter is exposed to more of the sound. If you compared the level 10 feet in front of the muzzle, it will be about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. John, might try a pachmayr decelerator or a limb saver pad on that .243. That pad that had been on my wifes savage model 10 in a .243 was hard rubber, it got replaced with a pachmayr, and made a huge difference for the wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman25 Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. I have used the 22-250 on many deer and antelope. If you are faced with a broadside shot or have the patience to wait for one, they are a fine round and lightning fast as well. I am a big believer in the 22-250 plus when she's done you have a great coyote round. I shoot the Hornady 58 gr V-Max bullets out of it for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. Ive seen many people around here use a .22-250 for deer. Im sure John is in the same boat being that our deer around here are around 100lbs average. A 140lb deer is big. Honestly, yes a .22-250 is small for deer but there are many, many killed every year. If your mom could put one in the pocket with a good round that deer would be just as dead as if she hit it with a cannon ball. I agree the .243 would be a much better choice and let me throw in another option.... What about a Semi-auto? How much recoil reduction is there in a semi-auto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPGS22 Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. I would agree a .243 would be a good gun for her. The 22-250 is to small for deer, if you want to go with something smaller try the .223 I know a lot of people that hunt deer with them and it does the job. If she is only going to shoot off her porch at close range how about a 30-30 they don't kick that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. 30-30 kicks around the same if not slightly more than the 243. The simi-auto question is not one that I had thought about. I did see a simi-auto rem. 243 in a gun shop yesterday that looked pretty good. It had a top of the line (still not that great) simmons scope on it and was clearenced at $339. So how much recoil does the simi's action soak up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. John, would think how much difference could possibly depend on which semi auto you are talking about. My wifes grandfather had a 6 mm, .244 in a remington semi auto dont remember which model, that had absolutley no felt recoil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. This was a remington I think it was a 7400 or 7600, don't remember which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. Think my wifes grandfathers 6mm was a model 4. Like I said, there was really no felt recoil. Next to shooting the wifes savage bolt .243 that same day I think with 100 grain core lokts in both, there was really no comparing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman25 Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. [ QUOTE ] I would agree a .243 would be a good gun for her. The 22-250 is to small for deer, if you want to go with something smaller try the .223 I know a lot of people that hunt deer with them and it does the job. If she is only going to shoot off her porch at close range how about a 30-30 they don't kick that much. [/ QUOTE ] The 22-250 and the 223 are essentially the same being 22 cal centerfire rifles. I believe the 22-250 is faster though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman25 Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. The 6mm is slightly different than the 243 but not much. The ballistics are very similar and the bullet diameter is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. A good hunting buddy bought a Rem. 7400 in .243, and I bought the same gun in .270. I shot his .243 many times, and I couldn't believe how much less the recoil was, it was a pleasure to shoot. The semi-auto really lessened the recoil alot. That is a great idea, and also the suggesting of a good recoil pad, and your ready to go too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. Now I am kind of curious. With this talk of the 22 cals, I am kind of curious here about the expansion of a 22-250 round up close, say under 75 yards. At around 4000 fps with such a small projectile, how well would a normal round really expand if it did not hit any bone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. Any bullet the .22-250 can push to 4000 fps has a very thin jacket and is very light weight. How will it expand...very well, and extremely violently. It turns prarie dogs to red mist and literally frags them. There will not be an exit hole on a deer and if it makes it into the vitals, it will be nasty. It can also just cause a very nasty surface wound and not penetrate into the vitals. That's the reason I do not recommend using a .22 caliber on deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntinguide Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. [ QUOTE ] Any bullet the .22-250 can push to 4000 fps has a very thin jacket and is very light weight. How will it expand...very well, and extremely violently. It turns prarie dogs to red mist and literally frags them. There will not be an exit hole on a deer and if it makes it into the vitals, it will be nasty. It can also just cause a very nasty surface wound and not penetrate into the vitals. That's the reason I do not recommend using a .22 caliber on deer. [/ QUOTE ] I killed my first 10 or so deer with a 22-250 69 gr sp it would break both shoulders and occ. exit. i had no problem dropping deer with it its just not legal in some states. Even this years HSOG shot a buck on my place at about 75 yards with my 22-250, right behind the shoulder he went maybe 10 steps DRT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntinguide Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Re: Good gun for mom. my little sister shots a 223 rem youth model and is very successful killing deer. It works for us maybe not in some of your situations but thats all oppinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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