VermontHunter Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 I received the NEW 2006 Archery Cataloge from Cabela's, and within this cataloge DIAMOND from BOWTECH as a compound bow model (Victory) which they claim has a IBO Speed of 330 fps and ONLY costs $569.99 The IBO of 330 fps is what has me amazed,,, whay I want to know is this type of speed actually capable from a compound bow or is this alot of smoke....??? This bow cost $200 less than my Alpine and has some great features as well.... Any thoughts on this claim and bow folks...??? Here's some specs.... Brace Height of..... 7 3/4" Axle to Axle.......... 34 1/2" Weight................. 3.9 lbs. Let Off................. 65%-80% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Can the bow shoot at 330fps....possibly. Will it shoot at 330 for you, especially in hunting trim......probably not. I may be mistaken, but IBO speeds are gotten from a 30". 70 pound bow, with nothing on the string, shooting a 350 grain arrow, which is right at 5 grains per pound. That is why 99% of us never even get near the claimed IBO speeds of out bows. I'm only a 27.5 draw lenght, that right there handicaps me severely in the speed deptartment. honestly, All the claim of speeds reaching 300 are nice, but I think people put way too much emphasis on speed now adays. give me a quiet, accurate forgiving bow anyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Yup, I'd want to chronograph that with hunting arrows and at a draw poundage an average person would be comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... So John in a essance it's like a NASCAR,, just beacuse the car was fast in qualifying,,, doesn't mean it's race trim is going to give anywhere near the speed.. is this right ?? I just don't get why these manufactures give these numbers then,,,, you would think they would want to give the specs a average hunter would be using.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Why do they run these numbers? Got your attention Didn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... [ QUOTE ] Why do they run these numbers? Got your attention Didn't it? [/ QUOTE ] EXACTLY!...and not everyone knows how they come up with these #'s. I can't begin to tell you how many people I have heard bragging that their bows will shoot 300 plus. And in the next sentence they will say they are shooting 65 pounds, and you'll find next their dl is 28". It just isn't gonna happen. but a lot of people will take the manufacturers claim as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... [ QUOTE ] Why do they run these numbers? Got your attention Didn't it? [/ QUOTE ] Yep.. got my attention into thinking that thier claim was an absolute BOGUS one,, which to me IMHO would be a NO NO in marketing... but hey what do I know.... I still fairley green when it come to the compound bow... This is why I constantly ask questions before reacting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoytguy08 Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... remember speed isn't everything! ...it doesn't matter how fast it got there, what matters is where it hit, and it's a lot easier to hit where u want with a slower,more forgiving bow. I'm not saying speed isn't helpful for yardage misjudgements and penetration , but 330 fps isn't necessary! Also, that bow wouldn't shoot near 330 with normal hunting arrows and a shorter draw length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrincker Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Everyone has hit it on the head. All IBO speeds are speeds the hunter will never see. Bows these days doesn't make a difference to me shooting 275 or 300 just find the right setup and go from there. I am fairly picky with my speed but I love a forgiving bow. Im not a speed freak I just want a flat shooting around at 40yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... I have personally seen only two bows that were set up for hunting that could shoot an arrow over 300 fps. Both of these bows were made by Browning. One of them I still have (but seldom shoot any more) and the other was owned by a rather tall gent who had a 33" draw length and had his bow set at 75 lbs. I am not sure what weight arrow he was shooting but down at the archery shop his bow would produce speeds between 305 and 310 fps. My bow is a Browning Apparition, it has a 6&1/2' brace height and set at 86 lbs, shooting a 540 grain arrow with a 31" draw length will produce speeds in excess of 310 fps and if I drop down to a lighter, 480 gr., arrow it will approach 330 fps. Having said all that, it is not a fun bow to shoot, even at a lower draw weight (it also is less accurate), but it will shoot through an elk from stem to stern. It has now become my backup bow and I now shoot an Anaconda, which is a joy to shoot but much "slower" at 270 fps. But, you know what....none of the deer or elk I have shot can tell the difference between my newer faster bows and my old (215 fps) bows. Manufacturer claims mean nothing as far as the individual shooter goes, but are merely a means comparison with other bows. Of course this is only true if they are all tested the same way, which is (I believe) shot from a machine using a 30" draw at 70 lbs and propelling a 350 gr arrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Bowtech seems to be good at squeezing as much speed out of a bow without sacrificing too much brace height. My friend shoots an Allegience at 70# with a 28 inch draw length and we chronoed his at 308. Pretty good. I just don't see a bow with a brace height above 7 pulling off 330 that often. My target Bishop is set at 62 lbs with a 30 inch draw and I'm getting 288 which is all I need. Sure I may be able to push the 300 mark if I crank her up, but as much as I shoot it wouldn't be feasible. Speed helps, but its not going to make a bad shooter good. It'll make a good shooter better but if you can judge yardage decent. The difference won't be that discernable, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... The Bowtech Black Knight is rated IIRC, 350 fps IBO. My Pro40 Dually is rated at 330-336 with a generous brace. I can't see why not the bow you mentioned could do 330. But like many have said, getting that with the accessories may be a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... My guess is that these numbers should be just looked at as relative values when comparing one bow to another. As such, it is an indicator of ranking in the speed department. Why don't they set there parameters at something a bit more representative of the average bowhunter?.......beats me. But as long as every manufacturer measures their speeds with the same basic set-up, I suppose to those that are impressed by speed, the number would have some meaning when comparing bows. It doesn't do a thing for me, but then archery marketing is probably not aimed specifically at me anyway.....lol. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Might be a misprint. Diamonds own website lists the IBO of the Victory at 306-314FPS not 330FPS. Cabelas website agrees with Diamonds. 314 is a very believable IBO speed in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Has to be a miss print in their 2006 Archery cataloge Leo,,,, because it clearly states that the IBO for the Bowtech Victory as being 330 fps.... 314 fps,, sounds more like it,,, I just couldn't image 330fps, even for todays modern hunting compunds.... If you get a chance request Cabelas 2006 Archery Cataloge and turn to page 14,, and you'll see what I mean... The cataloge is worth getting it has alot of new equipment in it... Thanks for the research and answer on this question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Could be a typo Luke, got my catalog yesterday as well. Seen all the new items for this year, the new G5 sights are awesome, see Cabela's is selling Sts's too, lots of new items. They tend to have more than Bass Pros's 2006 archery. Did notice prices have gone up, Alpine quivers use to be $39.99 now there up to $42.99!! Aren't you glad you bought my (2) luke!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... [ QUOTE ] Aren't you glad you bought my (2) luke!!! [/ QUOTE ] YEP.. and both of them are fully loaded with GT Shafts... Because I noticed that GT's have risen $10.00 per dozen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Yep I seen a lot of prices in there that went up 5-10 bucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultratec1 Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... I know that the Hoyt Turbo-tec is rated at 330fps. But I have shot a bow at 352 fps at 28" draw and a 63# bow. Target Tony can tesitfy to that I think that he was there to witness it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... My hunting set-up shoots 245 fps...never heard a deer say "would have got me if it were faster"! I'll take a slow, quiet, more forgiving bow any day. Its been said before...speed just makes you miss faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... [ QUOTE ] Its been said before...speed just makes you miss faster [/ QUOTE ] Now where have I heard this before, LMAO. Luke 330 FPS is very possible in bows today for IBO speeds, but nobody will EVER match that with their hunting set-ups. I hear the same thing from people all the time....."My bow shoots 315 fps, because (insert company name here) says so in their ads." I then show them the AMO speed of the bow from our charts and tell them that they must be shooting that speed too, which is much much lower........once they stop and think about it, I explain to them that if they took the IBO and AMO speeds, they'll find themselves just about in the moddle of the two with a hunting set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... [ QUOTE ] I explain to them that if they took the IBO and AMO speeds, they'll find themselves just about in the moddle of the two with a hunting set-up. [/ QUOTE ] Now that right there is what I would expect, and is believable... I really need to start doing some reading on the termonalogy of some of these meanings when it comes to archery equipment.. I'm leaning towards a new bow for next year and this info is a must I see.... THANKS, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Re: Would like some thoughts on this claim.... Not a problem......any other questions just drop me a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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