muggs Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] Does anyone ever question the baseballs being on steroids in the McGuire, Sosa HR derby. You had 150# second basemen reaching the fences. . [/ QUOTE ] umm...no because McGuire and Sosa were on roids themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS Major League baseball got a big boost from the juiced balls. Alll those home runs brought a lot of fans back to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hookedonhunting Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] I agree with OJR. He, along with Sosa, McGwire, Palmerio and others should be banned for using drugs to enhance their game. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] Major League baseball got a big boost from the juiced balls. Alll those home runs brought a lot of fans back to the game. [/ QUOTE ] Yuppers. If you think about it, MLB is just about as much responsible for steroids then anyone taking them. What kind of message are they sending by using juiced balls. They are basically saying it's ok to cheat by doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS I don't think the juiced balls are a conspiracy or even a plan of MLB. I'm not saying I don't think they are juiced, because they are, but that just means they're spun tighter. I'm sure it was just a new manufacturing technique that led to it. I don't think MLB went to Rawlings (or whoever makes the balls) and said "juice em". That being said, I also don't think they did anything to unjuice the balls either. As technology improves, so will the stats...in any sport. In baseball we need to consider the bats are now made better, better medicine, better training etc...to many variables to even consider. So IMHO, there's no comparison to juice balls, and genetically enhance freak athletes. I mean Barry Bonds looks like a WWF Champion, not a ball player. Not to mention, steriods are an illegal substance in our country. So I don't see anything wrong with "juiced" baseballs. As I don't with carbon alloy hockey sticks. If it adds a little offense, that's OK, but when you have juiced freaks hammering juiced balls to the sweet tune of 70+ jacks in a single season...then we got a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] I don't think the juiced balls are a conspiracy or even a plan of MLB. I'm not saying I don't think they are juiced, because they are, but that just means they're spun tighter. I'm sure it was just a new manufacturing technique that led to it. I don't think MLB went to Rawlings (or whoever makes the balls) and said "juice em". That being said, I also don't think they did anything to unjuice the balls either. As technology improves, so will the stats...in any sport. In baseball we need to consider the bats are now made better, better medicine, better training etc...to many variables to even consider. So IMHO, there's no comparison to juice balls, and genetically enhance freak athletes. I mean Barry Bonds looks like a WWF Champion, not a ball player. Not to mention, steriods are an illegal substance in our country. So I don't see anything wrong with "juiced" baseballs. As I don't with carbon alloy hockey sticks. If it adds a little offense, that's OK, but when you have juiced freaks hammering juiced balls to the sweet tune of 70+ jacks in a single season...then we got a problem. [/ QUOTE ] I cant remember who it was, but it was somebody on Baseball Tonight...I think it was John Kruk.....who said not to long ago that back in his playing days there were a couple of years where MLB knowingly used juiced balls and those were the years that his personal HR totals were way above his average. Here's is the question I am trying to get people to answer muggs. Bonds gets all the steroid attention because of BALCO and the record. But my god, I see guys almost every single day I watch baseball that must of been on steroids. Have you seen Ivan Rodriguez lately? How about Shawn Green? Those guys most of lost 100 pounds each in the last 2 years. How come nobody questions why Clemens in his 40's is still built like a tank and has had arguably his best seasons in the last couple of years. Why doesnt anybody wonder why a guy in his early to mid 20's named Albert Pujols is every bit as big as Bonds was when he was on the juice? I could go on and on here, and I'm not saying these guys took steroids but man, it's not like Bonds was the only guy taking roids, and I didnt see to many other guys jacking out 70 a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS You raise some good points, John. But here's my big question: Why baseball?? Have you seen the guys in the NFL lately?? College football?? I know MLB has been very lax on testing, but you know as well as I do, if someone wants to pass a drug test these days, they can. The only ones that are caught are the careless ones who make a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS Oh I agree. No doubt about it. That's basically my point. EVERYBODY is doing it, not only in baseball but in other sports and Bonds is the only one getting the heat for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS John, you're absolutely correct...but the point is Ruth, Aaron weren't on roids...I mean that's what the fuss is all about anyway. Just cause Bonds hits more homers than other guys on roids doesn't legitimate his records...it only means he's the best roided up hitter of the bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] ...but the point is Ruth, Aaron weren't on roids... [/ QUOTE ] How do we know that??? I would agree with Ruth, but would think they would have been available for Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ...but the point is Ruth, Aaron weren't on roids... [/ QUOTE ] How do we know that??? I would agree with Ruth, but would think they would have been available for Aaron. [/ QUOTE ] you can't be serious...obviously roids are a recent problem...look at McGuire, Bonds, Sosa and a ton of other players during their rookie year compared to their sudden growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS here look at him as a rookie. [image]http://[/image] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS lol, my how they do work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS LOL...now that's funny right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] and a ton of other players during their rookie year compared to their sudden growth. [/ QUOTE ] You think steroids are exclusive to the majors, Eric??? I'd wager that the majority steroid users started in college or high school. There's a reason that you don't see very many 19 year olds playing in the majors....they haven't reached their potential yet. It takes more than muscles to hit a baseball deep. You look at a picture of yourself at 19 and then look at one when you're 25. If you didn't gain any muscle mass "without" steroid use you'd be a minority. Now, I'm not saying that McGwire, Canseco, Palmeiro, that Brady kid from Baltimore and the rest of the steroid users didn't benefit from them, I'm just saying that you can't automatically assume a guy is on them when he hit 4 homeruns as a rookie 19 year old, 10 home runs for 5 years in a row and then suddenly hits 30. It happens. Know one can predict when a hall of famer will come into is own. If I could, I'd be a rich man right now. I'd have bought Pujols rookie for $25 bucks, A-rods for $1.00 and Jeter's for 2.50.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] and a ton of other players during their rookie year compared to their sudden growth. [/ QUOTE ] You think steroids are exclusive to the majors, Eric??? I'd wager that the majority steroid users started in college or high school. There's a reason that you don't see very many 19 year olds playing in the majors....they haven't reached their potential yet. It takes more than muscles to hit a baseball deep. You look at a picture of yourself at 19 and then look at one when you're 25. If you didn't gain any muscle mass "without" steroid use you'd be a minority. Now, I'm not saying that McGwire, Canseco, Palmeiro, that Brady kid from Baltimore and the rest of the steroid users didn't benefit from them, I'm just saying that you can't automatically assume a guy is on them when he hit 4 homeruns as a rookie 19 year old, 10 home runs for 5 years in a row and then suddenly hits 30. It happens. Know one can predict when a hall of famer will come into is own. If I could, I'd be a rich man right now. I'd have bought Pujols rookie for $25 bucks, A-rods for $1.00 and Jeter's for 2.50.... [/ QUOTE ] No I'm not saying that Kev, I agree, in fact steriods are prevalant in most sports. But I'm not talking about stat growth...I'm talking about quantum leaps in muscle. I don't care how good you eat and how much you workout, you don't look like Barry without da juice. Look at a picture of him in drag (the making fun of Paula Abdul thing)...the guy is a hulk. Not natural, that's for sure. I know it takes a lot more than muscle to hit a ball...but when you take a guy who has all the skill and intangibles (hand-eye, cooridnation etc) to hit a ball at the major league level...and then turn him into a genetic freak, he's gonna benefit from it. What I'm saying is this. When guys like Bonds, McGuire, Brady from Baltimore, Canseco, and Sosa came into the league. They weren't on the juice. They started it during their career...bulked up and their all ready all-star caliber play got that much better. Like increasing their 30-40 homer years into 60 and 70 homer years like Bonds did. I'm not knocking the game here boys, just the cheaters. IMO the real record will always be Aaron and Ruth, 1 and 2. And Maris will always be the single season HR leader. Juiced arms and juiced balls shouldn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS GO BONDS!! i hope he breaks the record just to tick off everyone who thinks he shouldn't have the record...i mean honestly...if he breaks the record...how is it REALLY going to effect any of us?? man...people just get to work up over something that means SQUAT in their life..he breaks the record, a week or 2 weeks later no one will care until the next guy to comes along who is close to breaking it...for one...no one even knows that he has even taken anything...and two...yes it is possible to get big with steroids...say what you want...maybe some of you tried and i didn't happen..but its possible...its not like he or any of them just ballooned up over one off season....they have gradually gotten bigger over the years...maybe some of them have taken them maybe they haven't...OH WELL...just makes the game more exciting to watch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] GO BONDS!! i hope he breaks the record just to tick off everyone who thinks he shouldn't have the record...i mean honestly...if he breaks the record...how is it REALLY going to effect any of us?? man...people just get to work up over something that means SQUAT in their life..he breaks the record, a week or 2 weeks later no one will care until the next guy to comes along who is close to breaking it...for one...no one even knows that he has even taken anything...and two...yes it is possible to get big with steroids...say what you want...maybe some of you tried and i didn't happen..but its possible...its not like he or any of them just ballooned up over one off season....they have gradually gotten bigger over the years...maybe some of them have taken them maybe they haven't...OH WELL...just makes the game more exciting to watch... [/ QUOTE ] Finally someone with some sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_drop Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] What is your guys opinion on him passing Babe Ruth which he will probbly due when hes in Chicago facing the Cubs [/ QUOTE ] Well guess most people were wrong about him passing the babe against the cubs. Like babe's grandson said while talking with the cubs announcers. He might pass the babe but he has played more seasons than the babe had more at bats than the babes and used steroids to help with the hr's. that is pathetic. Especially when the babe was a pitcher. There isn't a pitcher in the majors today that would ever dream of doing something like the babe did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer06 Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS i hope barry bonds goes blind and cant pass ruth! he is a disgrace to baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hookedonhunting Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS Barry doesnt need to go blind... he cant hit one out anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] GO BONDS!! i hope he breaks the record just to tick off everyone who thinks he shouldn't have the record...i mean honestly...if he breaks the record...how is it REALLY going to effect any of us?? man...people just get to work up over something that means SQUAT in their life..he breaks the record, a week or 2 weeks later no one will care until the next guy to comes along who is close to breaking it...for one...no one even knows that he has even taken anything...and two...yes it is possible to get big with steroids...say what you want...maybe some of you tried and i didn't happen..but its possible...its not like he or any of them just ballooned up over one off season....they have gradually gotten bigger over the years...maybe some of them have taken them maybe they haven't...OH WELL...just makes the game more exciting to watch... [/ QUOTE ] I don't need to see home runs to enjoy a baseball game. I'd rather see a team win by playing small ball any day. If it's not exciting enough without steroid using meat heads hitting home runs - then watch football! It will not affect my life too much, but what about all the kids that see him as a role model and say, "Hey, Barry took steroids, so it must be the thing to do!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkrie1357 Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS Look Up Barry Bonds in the Dictionary. And the Definition says: LOSER!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS [ QUOTE ] It will not affect my life too much, but what about all the kids that see him as a role model and say, "Hey, Barry took steroids, so it must be the thing to do!" [/ QUOTE ] And then lied about it ... that is almost worse if you ask me ... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgbennett6 Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Re: BARRY BONDS well in all honesty, whether he breaks it or not i will still go home and love my wife and live my life haha,.however...I think Bonds is a BAD person.... plain and simple, he has a great ability to hit a baseball.what people dont understand is that steroids do not improve ones proprioceptive skill (hand eye coordination).. however it does ad strength and power to the equation...Bonds is naturally a gifted player with great hand eye coordination skills, but on the juice he turned thos liners into homers........look at his numbers now in comparision to before teh steroid ban....yes he is getting old, but a lot fo what people also dont know is that steroids deteriorates the joint tissue ( Ligaments, tendons and cartilidge).. also delaying the healing time from joint surgery. .. could be the problem with his knew, or not.... who knows..... also taking anabolic steroids is ILLEGAL!!1... not only that he is a good athlete.but he is a bad person in my book, he has denied autographs to kids because tehy are WHITE!!!, he denied an active soldier and autographed foul ball........ he is awful in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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