birddog Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs I too tried my darndest to stay out of this...I will just say this as my opinion: THERE IS MORE TO THIS STORY, We will hear more. Turns out that a neighbor of the property also had a misplaced person in one of their tree stands that morning. They asked the person to leave. They didn't...and the party left. There will be more out there. (Much speculation) but I have been watching this closely and wanted to interject that indeed there will be more coming out about this in the next days. (my opinion is to close this post, before it gets ugly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs [ QUOTE ] definitely agree Buckee and like I said, I'm in no way defending this guy’s actions!!! The man committed heinous acts of violence...regardless of his race. It just upsets me that some people stereotype a complete race based on the actions of a few. Just yesterday someone made the comment that they would never go deer hunting with me now. It was just a joke and the person never actually made reference to my race but what do you think they were referring to? Believe me when I say this Buckee, I truly don't think or believe Vang should use race as a defense for his actions but unfortunately he and/or his attorneys probably will. [/ QUOTE ] Hey, I'd go hunting with you anytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billygoat Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs Let's throw out racism, racism is not an excuse for murder, the old eye for an eye antage just doesn't fly. Slef defense- well I'd buy that theory, right up unitl (as Vang stated in the police document [see the Wisconsin State Journal as all police arresting records are public documents]) he chased down several of the individuals who were fleeing and shot them in the back. So that leaves us with the trespassing issue... if you know the law (here in WI) you know it is illegal to assemble a permanent fixed stand (using nails/hardware) to a tree on public hunting... Had Vang given one thought to the law, he would have known that by the mere structure of the stand, that he was on private property (and yes, private property is guarded with one's life in these parts, especially during the gun season). This is not a terrible accident or a terrible tragedy, it is a haneous crime without rationalization... a cold blooded crime... there is no justification for chasing down fleeing individuals and shooting them in the back (and this is not speculating or jumping to conclusions) read the report, look at the pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs Why is someone hunting with a SKS in the first place?? Can you use one in Wisconsin??? If not, then why did he have one with him. I mean if you can't have one, then why did he was he in the treestand. I think he was gonna snipe them off the treestand in a matter of minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs from what i understand he could have the gun no problem, but not wiht teh 20 round bananna clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs [ QUOTE ] Why is someone hunting with a SKS in the first place?? Can you use one in Wisconsin??? If not, then why did he have one with him. [/ QUOTE ] An sks is nothing more than a semi auto sporting rifle, and from the factory the magazine will hold 10 rounds. I am assuming that Wisconsin like most states has restrictions on the number of rounds you are allowed to have in the magazine in your gun. If he had a banana clip which would usually be a 30 round clip on this gun, he should not have had the gun in the woods with the higher capacity magazine in the first place. On the racist issue, calling him whatever names they might have called him if they even did, that still does not make it right for him to kill them. He should have walked away when he had the chance and he did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs Here's the problem I am seeing right now, there are too many conflicting stories. He shot first, they shot first, he used the scope, he took the scope off, he fired 10 rounds, he fired 22 rounds, they didn't provoke him, they used racial slurs, they didn't, who knows anymore, he might have shot a hunter 2 years ago. At this point I am stopping remarks on here cause some of this makes me wonder what is actually being said in reports and what is just being built up as hearsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailkiller Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs i don't know the entire story but so what!!!!!! people get shot every day in the streets. 6 guys got shot in the woods ..not that different!!!!!!! what ever happened is irrelevent the bottom line is people are dead because vang was on private property!!!!!! i heard he was kicked off the land and came back ... if true i would have shot him !!!!!!! the guy(vang ) knew he was tresspassing.....i hope they fry him!!!!!!! what ever was said does not justify killing someone, if he fired after being fired at then it is the dead peoples fault for missing when they shot at him!!!!!! one shot one kill!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs Good idea slugshooter, I think I'm going to just sit back and listen now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted November 25, 2004 Report Share Posted November 25, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs Shooting a young man in the back as he is running away screaming for help does not sound like "self defence". He snapped or something but whatever he is a cold blooded killer now. NOTHING give a human being the right to do what he did. But I understand racial slurs all to well. I hate being callled "the smart one" all the time. Oh and "Great hunter" really makes me boil. Why do they HATE? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest huntinsanobsession Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Re: Racial slurrs i am not racist i have an asian friend but you can cry that racial slurs provoked him all you want i could careless if he was called everymean name in the book you don't shot 20 rounds hitting 8 people then go back and kill some of them that are crying for help. and there are a few things in the testimony that make me belief it wasn't self defense 1)he walked several yards away removed his scope and started shooting 2)when he had shot the first few people he changed his jacket from orange to camo(when if the shooting had been self defense he could have started to flee) 3)he waited while more people came and then shot them 4)RELOADED AT SOME POINT 4)went back to kill people. CRYING FOR HELP (im not sure if all of this is in the right order but he still did all of it.) if i had been shot at i would have fired back and ran for my life not hung around unloading on peole then as he was retreating he trew the remaining ammo in the swamp why if he was in self defense he probably would have kept it incase more people were chasing him to shot at him( even if it hadn't been self defense i would have casue if some one shot and killed 5 of my friends and wounded 3(later another died) i would be pissed and go find the guy so the cops took him outta the woods in a body bag. besides the point of trespassing where i am from the true huters don't use a stand unless it is theres so why that guy was in the stand after being lost i don't now i defenatly dont think he was tring to find his way out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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