johnf Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Sadly since Luke was born we've not been as faithfull as we should be. Hopefully this month we will be caught up enough to go back to 10%+. It's a sore spot with both of us. I believe it's God's will for us to and that the 10% should be given gladly. It's hard to give gladly when you have no milk for the baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? [ QUOTE ] Sadly since Luke was born we've not been as faithfull as we should be. Hopefully this month we will be caught up enough to go back to 10%+. It's a sore spot with both of us. I believe it's God's will for us to and that the 10% should be given gladly. It's hard to give gladly when you have no milk for the baby. [/ QUOTE ] I think that is the most faithful a person can be when you are taking care of a child. God has blessed you and now he is also compassionate to the point of you not feeling guilty to give money to a preacher who in all honesty should be giving you money for milk for that baby. There comes a time when the giving needs to stay at home and that is where the true faith of your fellow man will be shown. Take care of your child guilt free and know that the lord has blessed you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hookedonhunting Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? YES! Over ten%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TC308 Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? My mom does. I don't know how much she does and I'm going to strart once I get some good money from my new job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman25 Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? I toss a couple bucks in the offering when I go to church. I found out our preacher makes over 50k a year. Yet our church is like 85k in debt annually. I see a way to fix that but maybe he deserves it I don't know. I'm not out to start a fight I just see that as alot of money plus we provide him a home and pay the utility's. He has it made already. I just don't see the need to when this is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? The pasters salery has nothing to do with tythes, and shouldn't. His salery is bassed on what the decaon board, personell comitee, congrigation or national organization decided he should make. Tythes pay for missions and upkeep of the church in most cases. Even if you paster doesn't know the difference between Moses and Herrod your tythes should be given. Some very small churches use the weekly offering for the pasters salery, most do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? NO!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronS Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? We gladly give each week, but not as much as we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? [ QUOTE ] The pasters salery has nothing to do with tythes, and shouldn't. His salery is bassed on what the decaon board, personell comitee, congrigation or national organization decided he should make. Tythes pay for missions and upkeep of the church in most cases. Even if you paster doesn't know the difference between Moses and Herrod your tythes should be given. Some very small churches use the weekly offering for the pasters salery, most do not. [/ QUOTE ] Sadly, I have to disagree here John. When a church is in trouble and the pastor is making more than the church, something is wrong. When the congregation is tithing like they are supposed to and it is not enough money for the pastor because there are not enough members in the church, something is wrong. A pastor/preacher is going to get their cut and I hate to say it, but often times that might even be before the church has paid all its bills. If tithes do not somehow indirectly or even in some cases directly pay for the pastors salary, where are you suggesting that the money comes from? We went through some dealings with the pastor of our church we belonged to when my wife and I got married where it was just never enough. Week after week something was always brought up about money. The pastors wife was an RN working making about 50k a year, and the pastor was continually whining about congregation members not tithing enough, and not being able to pay his bills ? We were giving more than 10 percent. The congregation provided him and his family a very nice brick home and an automobile, what bills did he really have? His wife was making great money at the time to boot. The straw that broke the camels back for us was one night during a revival when some guy out of Memphis(guest preacher) comes in pulling this "hold your wallet up crap" saying we need to tithe more that the church is going to go under and that it was our fault . I think we attended Sunday services two or three times after that and then quit going to church all together for a while. That preacher ended up leaving and going to the big city not long after we quit going. We ended up trying a few other churches out around here only to find that the churches were filled with many of those who are not genuinely going to church for what I think is truly the right reason. I would much rather give where I see fit, where I know the money is doing some good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? I don't support most organized religion, tythe is part of the reason why. My parents divorced when I was 6 years old and I moved with my Mom. She joined the local church and enrolled me in its private school where tuition was steep. She was a house wife for 12 years and didn't have much work experience, so she went to work as a waitress for several years before she got the job she currenlty has. During our weekly confessions at school, the head Pastor confronted me about why my mother was not making her weekly contributions to the church (I was 7 years old and in second grade at the time ) and made me feel quility. Even then I new that this was a pretty bold move, so I told my Mom and she called the Pastor to explain her financial situation, and to give him a piece of her mind. My Mom was paying 5K a school year, and they wanted more...she just couldn't afford it. When she called him, he basically told him that if we came to church, we had to donate. That turned me off at a young age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? To every person in this room and particular thread who has been hurt by a Pastor who did not have their priorities in line, let me be the first to apologize to you as a Pastor, myself. We are not all like that. Now, to the question at hand.......as I have said before, yes I tithe.......not to the church, so to speak, but to God. I know that I am required by God, according to scripture to tithe, therefore I do. I think that there are a lot of Pastors and I have to say churches who give a bad name and a bad taste to many.........and one day they will stand before God and give an account to Him for what they have done. So please, whatever you do.......don't settle your mind by what some narrow minded people have done. Do what God says and let Him deal with the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbowman Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Well said Preacherman, I am Sr. Pastor of a growing revival church, have been for 7 years now, and you said it just the way I would have. And yes I tithe too!! And "tithe" means a tenth!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Preacherman, I would not ever say all churches or all preachers are like that, but unfortunatley there are an awful lot of them out there that are. Is hard to figure out who you can really trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Sounds like you had Oral Roberts as a paster. Sorry to hear that. I guess I should have worded that a little different. Most pasters have a negotiated contract that the church is legally obligated to pay. In some churches, I understand that if a paster is dismissed, the church is legally obligated to "buy out" the remaining contract. If your salery was based on how popular you were at work that week would you keep your job for long? If your paster was begging for money like that, he should have negotiated a better salery. If the churches bills weren't being payed because enough people weren't doing their duty, then your paster was in the right, IMHO, to ask for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Wow, you guys go to very official churches! Seriously, dad is a Southern Baptist Pastor. Ive seen him pay the bills out of his own pocket! He takes nothing from the church. Also, our Pastor (at the church I now attend) takes nothing. He started the church and has kept it more then alive. Honestly Im not sure that he takes a single penny! We are currently building a new building and we are building it debt free.... I understand that a pastor (that doesnt work a full time job) need compinsation but Personally, I dont know of any church that has been ran in the ground due to the pastors pay?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Yes, my wife and I tithe. We've committed ourselves to giving 1% more each year on top of the 10%. We have given in the past when it really looked like we didn't even have the money, but somehow God has pulled us through. Our lives and finances have been blessed so much more since we began tithing regularly 3 years ago. HE owns it all anyway, it's an act of obedience and faith on our part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjones Posted May 24, 2006 Report Share Posted May 24, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Yes we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossyhorn Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? I give what I can. I dont really figure up 10%....just what I feel would be good to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? [ QUOTE ] The pasters salery has nothing to do with tythes, and shouldn't. His salery is bassed on what the decaon board, personell comitee, congrigation or national organization decided he should make. Tythes pay for missions and upkeep of the church in most cases. Even if you paster doesn't know the difference between Moses and Herrod your tythes should be given. Some very small churches use the weekly offering for the pasters salery, most do not. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think Jesus would make it in todays business church. LOL You do realize that you just listed the exact reason I am against paying a preacher to do God's work. Too much man and not enough faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money Money etc., etc, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that all God is to everyone that gives money? Geeezzzzzzzzzzz. It's not money God wants from you!!!!! It's you he wants!!! What about the poor that don't have a 10th to give or the people that donate their time to help others? Are you going to tell them that their efforts are not enough because they didn't satisfy some preacher or the rest of the congregation? Who decides how much is enough? I am sick of people thinking that showing up and giving money is what gets you into heaven. Does anyone here think that God is going to say, "Well, you almost made it into heaven but dadgummit if you didn't miss it by 5 cents that one Sunday." How crazy is that? If the excuse comes up that," Well, we have a Church to pay for and the preacher needs a place to live and we have to pay his bills." I have a solution for that. Build a building big enough for the people you expect to show up regularly (which shoudn't be many) and light it with candles not bulbs. Heat it with a woodburner and cool it with open windows and womens hand fans. Here's the kicker though. Don't charge any admission fees like tithes or an offering plate. Have everything donated and built by the congregation. That's how it used to be done. That's how it should still be done!!! If it's too hot, then have church in the shade of a huge oak tree in a breesy field. It doesn't matter where you have church as long as it's two or more gathered in his name. Isn't that what the BIBLE says? This world is too obsessed with money and how things look than what God wants us to do. If your church doesn't want you there because you don't give them money then that is not a church based on God. That's a church based on money. And if a person that is there to guide me doesn't know the difference between Moses and Herrod then that person needs a lesson on the BIBLE and doesn't deserve the title of pastor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? I don't really understand what is so bad about knowing what your pay check will be from week to week. Our paster has 4 degrees BS in psycology, MS psycology and two degrees in theology. He is also a very effective minister who puts in 60+ hours a week and manages a church that has a 6 million dollor a year budget. Someone with this much responsiblity and education deserves adiquit compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? [ QUOTE ] Wow, you guys go to very official churches! [/ QUOTE ] Actually Jeramie, this particular church was a small pentecostal church. Congregation was quite small really. I am usually pretty good at judging character and never had this guy pegged for what he was. I at first really liked the preacher. He was more like a good old southern baptist to me than a pentecost. Dont know if he changed, or if he just had me fooled, but my eyes were certainly opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? johnf, would you please check the spelling of Pastor. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? [ QUOTE ] I don't really understand what is so bad about knowing what your pay check will be from week to week. Our paster has 4 degrees BS in psycology, MS psycology and two degrees in theology. He is also a very effective minister who puts in 60+ hours a week and manages a church that has a 6 million dollor a year budget. Someone with this much responsiblity and education deserves adiquit compensation. [/ QUOTE ] Again with money. Since when did God need a budget? Especially a fabulous, exhorbitant amount of $6,000,000.00? And when a beggar shows up to ask for food, does he give him food from his own table and provide him shelter and welcome him into his own home? More than likely he gives him an address where he can find these things. That is what's called passing the buck and allowing others to do good deeds in your stead. It also sounds like your preacher has a pretty good idea of how to fool people and get what he wants. I have this same argument with a girl at work whose husband is a "Preacher." He makes $50,000 a year and he's just the assistant. He sleeps til Noon, plays games all night till 3 0r 4 in the morning and goes and visits people a few times a week. He had a really good job at UPS and quit because he saw a career in church. He's gained a lot of weight since quitting and now his health is at risk. Lazy doesn't begin to describe it. I am not saying all preachers are this way, but the overwhelming majority is. Fancy suits and fancy cars project a good image to the rich folk that attend a church but to the poor, it looks like you are just prideful and showing off. If I offered a preacher who makes $50,000 a year a job that makes $100,000 a year, 99%of them would take it and never look back. Are you telling me that's what God's will is or man's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Re: Do you tythe? [ QUOTE ] johnf, would you please check the spelling of Pastor. Thank you! [/ QUOTE ] Tominator might have a field day correcting Johns posts in here alone. Might try a spell check program there John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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