Guest bluesprings Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And how does this differ from fishing tournaments? [/ QUOTE ] The darting of the deer. I would think. People make money by hunting no big deal everyone has to eat but this is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Tournaments aren't held in aquariums. This is in a high fence pen. Also this is being pushed by people who plan to make alot of money off of it. The only reason why they are sticking to their guns(G5,Bret, H,and theWHA) is the money that plan to make! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whitetailarcher Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And how does this differ from fishing tournaments? [/ QUOTE ] I'd say a very Large percentage of people (most) do not put fish and mammals in the same basket. No way, no how [/ QUOTE ] I would have to also agree with this. It is undeniable that fish and deer are completely different. I've also heard that many people aren't upset about the money that is being awarded for the competition. I would have to disagree. In this competition the main reason for the "hunt," if thats what you can call it, is for the money and not for the real reasons. I must also agree that this is really going to hurt all hunters, whether they are for or against this idea. This show could easily antagonize many anti-hunters and even turn many non-hunters into anti-hunters, which I can not blame them for. These anti-hunters do not see individual hunters but generalize them all as the same. This is the reason we can not let this happen. Now I know many people have been emailing sponsors which has done good because many sponors are now seeing what their buyers think. We must understand that WHA does not see this idea as bogus, they see it as a great idea that "introduces people to hunting" and is the "future of hunting." They are going to want to put this show on the air. Has anyone heard any actual comments from WHA? I know theres been plenty from different sponors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Re: world hunt competition WHA Media Contacts Ken Mandelkern Pyramid Public Relations (212) 714-1280 x343 [email protected] John McCartney Pyramid Public Relations (212) 714-1280 x253 "][email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] ...what I have a problem with is the stress on the animal, sure dartign has to be done for surveys and tracking ect but not for fun, I do not agree with it in this situation, hunters kill animals and do not waste them, these guys are not huntign when they shoot with darts they are in a compition, they also are changing the animals habits and instincts, they are not meant to be darted... [/ QUOTE ] Excellent point. If they're sure this concept will work, why not give each competitor (note that I didn't say hunter) a camera with a crosshair on it and let them photograph the deer with the crosshair on the vitals? The deer wouldn't be disturbed and everyone could clearly see who got the closest to the deer, who saw the biggest buck, who saw the most deer, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ...what I have a problem with is the stress on the animal, sure dartign has to be done for surveys and tracking ect but not for fun, I do not agree with it in this situation, hunters kill animals and do not waste them, these guys are not huntign when they shoot with darts they are in a compition, they also are changing the animals habits and instincts, they are not meant to be darted... [/ QUOTE ] Excellent point. If they're sure this concept will work, why not give each competitor (note that I didn't say hunter) a camera with a crosshair on it and let them photograph the deer with the crosshair on the vitals? The deer wouldn't be disturbed and everyone could clearly see who got the closest to the deer, who saw the biggest buck, who saw the most deer, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Now that sounds like a much better idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whitetailarcher Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ...what I have a problem with is the stress on the animal, sure dartign has to be done for surveys and tracking ect but not for fun, I do not agree with it in this situation, hunters kill animals and do not waste them, these guys are not huntign when they shoot with darts they are in a compition, they also are changing the animals habits and instincts, they are not meant to be darted... [/ QUOTE ] Excellent point. If they're sure this concept will work, why not give each competitor (note that I didn't say hunter) a camera with a crosshair on it and let them photograph the deer with the crosshair on the vitals? The deer wouldn't be disturbed and everyone could clearly see who got the closest to the deer, who saw the biggest buck, who saw the most deer, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Haha I think you just came up with a much smarter and acceptable idea than Farbman himself. Non hunters would love it along with pretty much every hunter that enjoys the outdoors. Check out this article in a Detroit Newspaper. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/SPORTS10/606110647/1066/SPORTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] why not give each competitor (note that I didn't say hunter) a camera with a crosshair on it and let them photograph the deer with the crosshair on the vitals? The deer wouldn't be disturbed and everyone could clearly see who got the closest to the deer, who saw the biggest buck, who saw the most deer, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Now that is something I could support...no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Apparently, G5 Outdoors has pulled out of the sponsorship of this event Two more to go Xtreme Scents Xtreme Sports Group 12785 Emerson Drive Brighton, MI 48116-8562 U.S.A. Telephone: (810) 220-9392 Fax: (810) 225-7754 Email: [email protected] ............................................................... Contact Information Main Office: 15223 Route 87 Highway Williamsport, PA 17701 Toll Free: 1.866.299.DART (3278) (p) 570.323.2710 (f) 570.323.2712 Email: [email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Well I've been pretty busy lately so this is the first I've heard or seen about this mess. Sounds like some egomaniacs that don't know what hunting is all about or care much for the game they are pursuing. It’s pretty offensive for this promoter to say we’ve been waiting for this. As far as I’m concerned he can melt away into obscurity with his ill advised idea. I have no problem with a little friendly competition but this is way out of hand here. Glad to here G5 had a wake up call. Congrats to all that got the message about the true hunter’s feelings to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Wow, Buckee you are right on top of this stuff! Thanks for the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluesprings Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Here is the link to go vote no to show ESPN what you think about this crap. http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Who ever thought up this idea is gay!!!!! We should kidnap him, release him in a fenced in area and hunt him with tranquilizer darts!!!!! I have no respect for anyone who hunts deer or any animal in a "fenced" in area!!!!! They are all losers and cannot kill deer by fair chase!!!!! I vote NO!!!!! --rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition I voted no. Some morons in this world. If you are in your right mind how could you be in favor of this? Maybe they are paying someone to sit and click yes.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Here are two (would be) sponsers from the ESPN article [ QUOTE ] "The World Hunting Association is off to a good start from a business standpoint, as it has secured sponsorships with, among others, Eastman Outdoors for its Carbon Express Arrow and Gorilla Inc. for its treestands, as well as tranquilizer-dart makers Pneu-Dart and G5 Outdoors. Much like NASCAR, the league also intends on branding the apparel of the hunters and cameramen with corporations that pay a sponsorship fee." [/ QUOTE ] BUT CHECK THIS OUT [ QUOTE ] MEDIA ALERT FLUSHING, Mich., June 9 – No formal agreement exists between the World Hunting Association (WHA) and Eastman Outdoors, Inc. (Carbon Express®) or Gorilla, Inc. (Gorillatm Treestands). Recent reports indicated that Eastman Outdoors, Inc. and Gorilla, Inc. are sponsors of the World Hunting Association. Eastman Outdoors and Gorilla did meet with the WHA. After careful consideration of the WHA program, Eastman Outdoors, Inc. and Gorilla, Inc. decided to decline the sponsorship offer from WHA [/ QUOTE ] http://www.carbonexpressarrows.com/ ................................................................ From the g5 outdoors website... [ QUOTE ] WHA Statement G5 Outdoors would like to formally announce that we are withdrawing our sponsorship of the World Hunting Association (WHA). It was our intention to strengthen bow hunting’s foundation by broadening the appeal of archery to the public; however, based on communications, via email and phone, we have received from fellow bow hunters, we have come to the conclusion that the WHA is not the vehicle to achieve this end. G5 would like to thank all those who have shared their thoughts, comments and concerns with us. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whitetailarcher Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition I have gotten emails from pneu-dart and Xtremescents saying that they had no official connection with WHA yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yooperkenny Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] ... If they're sure this concept will work, why not give each competitor (note that I didn't say hunter) a camera with a crosshair on it and let them photograph the deer with the crosshair on the vitals? The deer wouldn't be disturbed and everyone could clearly see who got the closest to the deer, who saw the biggest buck, who saw the most deer, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that you've hit on a good idea there, Tex. FYI a Boy Scout troop in northern Michigan adopted this same approach to trial a new Hunting merit badge. My understanding is that this has worked well because the scouts have to be stealth enough to get close to deer, but they avoid the potential controversy by not actually whacking any animals. I would have no problem with the scouts taking game and then properly processing and preparing meals from it, but in this politically correct world this is at least a step in the right direction. After all, I earned my merit badges in archery, marksmanship, wildlife management, and fishing, but never had a chance for a hunting merit badge. Maybe today's scouts will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] Ahhh...The Jimmy Houston Series [/ QUOTE ] Gary! I was thinking the same thing!!! But this whole idea is just wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And how does this differ from fishing tournaments? [/ QUOTE ] I'd say a very Large percentage of people (most) do not put fish and mammals in the same basket. No way, no how [/ QUOTE ] And that makes one okay and the other so far out wrong? We are still exploiting an animal from the great outdoors by getting the biggest one or most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigbucks125 Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition this is completely un-ethical. traquilizer darts?? are we serious? hunting is not a game like baseball, its an activity all of us have a deep deep passion for. family and loved ones are the only thing that i am more passionate about than hunting. we do not need this clowded by some stupid pay-per view hunting show. who will "hunt" (if thats what they call it) in these events? if i want to watch hunting, I'll pop in one of my DVDs where fair chase and ethics are shown. this is just a way for some big shots in a suit and tie to make money. i would never consider supporting this. it sickens me to think that this has even been thought of. i will not support or buy products from a company if they sponsor this event. and im sure none of you would either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition I'm glad no one ever made any money or prizes from big buck and bass contests......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] And that makes one okay and the other so far out wrong? We are still exploiting an animal from the great outdoors by getting the biggest one or most. [/ QUOTE ] That's how the anti's think. Your starting to scare me bud Fish and animals are far apart. There is no thin line separating the two, but a great divide. Comparing fish to animals, is like comparing animals to humans. Fishing has always been a bit of a competative sport, even among commercial fisherman. Hunting on the other hand was never and will never be a competative sport among hunters. To think of hunting in a competative sense, against other hunters is just wrong. I've always felt uncomfortable calling hunting a sport, and now I know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] Fish and animals are far apart. Comparing fish to animals, is like comparing animals to humans. [/ QUOTE ] After that statement, thanks for the "laugh of the day"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whitetailarcher Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition Has anyone noticed that on the world hunt website, there are no more sponsors listed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition I think buckee meant to say "fish and higher mammals" rather than "fish and animals." I suspect he knows that fish are indeed members of the kingdom animalia. And buckee is also correct in saying that tournament or competitive fishing is a widely accepted practice and is generally considered a sport, even by those who fish but choose not to do so competitively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Re: world hunt competition [ QUOTE ] And buckee is also correct in saying that tournament or competitive fishing is a widely accepted practice and is generally considered a sport, even by those who fish but choose not to do so competitively. [/ QUOTE ] Fish vs Mammals? What make one more valuable to the ecosystem than the other? Many things in this world are widely accepted. (take a look at what California accepts ) That does not make it right. Buckee is a big boy and can speak for himself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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