world hunt competition

[Guest whitetailarcher]

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I found this on another forum telling me that Farbman had new sponsors.

I found this extremely funny.

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There is tons of stuff poping up on this now.lol

[Guest fishermanwhohunts]

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This may help explain the cartoon

http://realindy.com/canhunt.htm

It's old news now

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I've seen Houston's hunting show on the Outdoor Channel And I did not see any fences.

[buckee]

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This may help explain the cartoon

http://realindy.com/canhunt.htm

It's old news now

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I've seen Houston's hunting show on the Outdoor Channel And I did not see any fences.

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That's OK. It doesn't really matter anymore. The Jimmy Houston episode is done and gone. This new proposed dart-shooting tournament show just brought back a few memories, that's all.

This thread isn't about Jimmy anyway, it's about something far worse, than anything Jimmy may have done.

[Guest fishermanwhohunts]

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This may help explain the cartoon

http://realindy.com/canhunt.htm

It's old news now

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I've seen Houston's hunting show on the Outdoor Channel And I did not see any fences.

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That's OK. It doesn't really matter anymore. The Jimmy Houston episode is done and gone. This new proposed dart-shooting tournament show just brought back a few memories, that's all.

This thread isn't about Jimmy anyway, it's about something far worse, than anything Jimmy may have done.

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The thing is that I am a very proud bass fisherman

[GWSmith]

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...The thing is that I am a very proud bass fisherman

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...And you have every right to be!!!

This WHA garbage is not about people who practice the sport of Hunting in an ethical manner.

As a proud Bass fisherman you could relate to this as having a Bass Tournament from a deck built around the fish tank at a Bass Pro Shops store...but it's worse.

You would'nt use conventional fishing gear.

You would be using a fishing rod that fired tranquilizer darts...Then wait until they floated up to the top

Does that sound Sporting or even Ethical to you????

[Guest fishermanwhohunts]

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...The thing is that I am a very proud bass fisherman

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...And you have every right to be!!!

This WHA garbage is not about people who practice the sport of Hunting in an ethical manner.

As a proud Bass fisherman you could relate to this as having a Bass Tournament from a deck built around the fish tank at a Bass Pro Shops store...but it's worse.

You would'nt use conventional fishing gear.

You would be using a fishing rod that fired tranquilizer darts...Then wait until they floated up to the top

Does that sound Sporting or even Ethical to you????

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No way, that is not ethical. Were those canned hunts ever considered acceptable? I'm just wondering.

[buckee]

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Here's an update on WHA from: OUTDOORS WITH OTHMAR VOHRINGER

This guy is not going to give up or go away any time soon.

Fellow hunters...we need to stop this thing in it's tracks.

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OPEN LETTER TO ALL HUNTERS - “A shot in the Arm”

You could say many things about David Faberman, the CEO of the World Hunting Association, but lack in self-confidence is not one of them. Faberman published an open letter to all hunters on his website. An attempt to extinguish the fire of fury he created with the announcement to launch his concept of competitive game shooting with tranquilizer guns and arrows. To me it looks like he just added some more fuel to the fire with that letter.

Having received thousands of letters from angry hunters that caused his sponsors to pull out of his high fence live target shooting plans. He now feels that he has to justify his great idea and add a little patronizing to it. He writes; “Let’s face it, our sport could use a shot in the arm…It’s time to improve that image and show the world the complexity, skill and strategy that is the core of hunting.”

I like the “shot in the arm” bit. Did he intend the pun? Beats me how he wants to “improve” the image of hunting. How? By shooting tranquilizer drugs at penned animals and then having them scored and flashing a big cardboard check for x-thousand dollars in front of the camera. I can see it now how PETA and other such organizations endorse that type of sport as “ethical” treatment of animals.

Faberman also believes that his competition sport game-chasing endeavor will have a positive impact on game conservation, disease control and other “valuable scientific impacts.” No he is not kidding. That seems what he truly believes. I guess it would be like doing research on livestock like cows, that is what penned game is, and then use that data for wild living bison. He also says that Licensed Veterinarians will do blood samples on the bucks and then mark them so that they will not be shot with drugs twice in a competition. Tranquilizing wild animals is a very dodgy affair. Every veterinarian will tell you, to get the dose right you have to know the age, weight and general health and physical condition of the animal. That is not possible with wild animals, unless they are tame, and thus the fatality “overdosing” is quit high.

For me there is also another issue with that sort of sport. Animals suffer high stress in tranquilized condition. Remember they are not knocked out cold and sleep. Tranquilized animals are fully conscious and aware they just can’t move or feel pain. Next to overdosing the stress is what kills a lot of so treated animals. I imagine the stress level could be even higher for the animal with all the hoopla of high fifing, hollering, cameras and light around them.

The letter ends with; “Now is the time for all hunters to stand together, shoulder to shoulder. While new ideas and change can sometimes be uncomfortable, this is a great opportunity for hunters to elevate the sport, clear up misconceptions and expand the next generation of hunters.”

It is just me that thinks Faberman is a tad patronizing in the last paragraph? “While new ideas and change can sometimes be uncomfortable…” Why does he think real hunters are uncomfortable with his new idea? Has he not read the letters and emails he’s gotten from highly concerned outdoors enthusiasts? Could it be that we have every reason to be uncomfortable with the idea that the hunting heritage is to be turned into a spectator’s sport like tennis or baseball? You bet I am uncomfortable with it and so are thousands of other hunters judging from what we have heard.

I am not sure at all how Faberman thinks that his sport “hunting”- big money paying -using game animals as live targets and dope them up to their eyeballs possible could clear up “misconceptions” about hunting let alone “elevate the sport”.

I do not know Faberman personally and have no desire to remedy that fact. But I do know that he has absolutely not the foggiest idea what the spirit and the heritage of hunting is. Neither does he know what stirs deep down in our soul when we enter the great outdoors and follow our natural instinct that has been with us from the time of the beginning.

Faberman welcomes hunter’s feedback and suggestions, he says, to build his “sport hunting tour”. Please write him and let him know how you think about his ideas and plans: [email protected]

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[8ptbuckpa]

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My 12 year old sister who doesn't know what kind of scent you use for deer in rut could probably beat these so called "proffesional hunters" This is the stupidest idea since.............. wait there isn't anything stupider

[Guest whitetailarcher]

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Well, its quite obvious that Farbman is pretty thick headed and can't accept that his self proclaimed amazing idea is a complete failure. Some of the biggest hunting organizations in the world have spoke out strongly against his idea. Does he think he has a better knowledge of hunting than the Pope and Young org. or Boone and Croocket? His persistence will get him a televised show if all we are doing is writing letters to him. What else can we do? This is the last thing I ever want to see on T.V. Any suggestions? Don't let this thread die, even if you've already spoken your mind, speak it again, this is one thread I won't get tired of reading the same thing over and over again.

[Guest whitetailarcher]

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Any one know these guys ...

Karl Zainitzer

Brett Hankins

Garrett Armstrong

Joey Menegatti

Billy Stephenson

Evidently they are 5 of the supposed 8 that are smellin what Farbman is cookin' and signed up for the WHA *ahem* "Tour"

I am presently looking for some info on them .... I hear tell at least one is a succesful guide .....

I think we should all put a little pressure on these guys just like we did the sponsors and see if we can't discourage their decisions.

[buckee]

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Karl Zainitzer

Brett Hankins

Garrett Armstrong

Joey Menegatti

Billy Stephenson

Karl Zainitzer - Prostaffer with Xtreme Outdoors

http://www.gandermountain.com/fishing/newsitem.asp_Q_id_E_4829

Brett Hankins - was a prostaffer for Natural Gear.

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Natural Gear Pro Staff Change

Natural Gear would like to announce we have terminated Brett Hankins from our ProStaff due to his involement with WHA (World Hunting Association) We here at Natural Gear believe in "Fair Chase" Hunting and were unaware of any involvement with the organization until just recently, we have never been in any sponsorship agreement with the WHA nor have we or will we ever endorse such an endeavor.

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Garrett Armstrong - Champ Boat Racer (Team Armstrong Racing)

(If it's the same Garrett Armstrong

Joey Menegatti - Cowboy ..Championship roper

Look at #12

http://www.ustrc.com/Results/Details2.asp?RopingUID=20886

Billy Stephenson -

All I found was a country singer named Billy Stephenson

http://www.philbillys.com/04Download.html

One thing this guys all seem to have in common is competition

[Guest whitetailarcher]

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One thing this guys all seem to have in common is competition

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Yeah its pretty sad that all of them seem to be more about competition than hunting, but I suppose that is all Farbman could get to do his show.

[GWSmith]

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Interesting name on Mathews Prostaff...

[buckee]

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I found this little blurb in google, but couldn't get the link to work or find the news article.

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Natural Gear - The Science of Camouflage - News ArticleBrett Hankins who has been a Natural Gear prostaffer for 4 years was offered a 3 year contract and a Factory Prostaff position with Mathews Inc

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[mossyhorn]

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Today was the first time I had heard about this. I have to say it is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I have always liked hunting because it was someting I can do on my own instaed of going out and being on a football team or something. But now they are turning it into the same thing. The WHA is really going to screw something good up....it just fires me up to know that one person can take something I love and make it seem so bad just to make some money.

[buckee]

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Brett Hankins is also a prostaffer for Zebra Hybrid(bowstrings)

http://www.zebrastrings.com/home/info/shootercards.asp

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Ive saw those guys names that are suppose to be doing it on another forum.

They better be looking for new work if they do this.

[Guest bluesprings]

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There is anew video up on their website with some of these guys walking thru the woods with their bows with Darts on the arrows. I wonder what their sponsors think about their reps now.

Also Polaris is still listed on their web site but it doesn't look like they are a sponsor,just that they are giving one away.

[buckee]

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thedarkarcher (Brett Hankins) at Archery Talk is one of the hunters going on this tour

He actually has some folks over at Archery Talk thinking this is a good thing. What is this world coming to???

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=338104

Here are some other links of interest and statements against this "NEW SPORT"

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JUNE 19, 2006 -- (12:00) Bass Pro Shops has published an open letter to its customers, vendors and its conservation partners indicating its opposition to the World Hunting Association.

The letter read: " We have received many e-mails and phone calls regarding the World Hunting Association. Be assured that we will not be involved with the WHA in any way and will encourage our vendors and partners to do the same.

"We do not support drugging of these magnificent game animals nor do we support making hunting a professional tournament.

"At Bass Pro Shops we believe in the traditional methods of hunting and passing on the heritage of this great sport to future generations."

http://www.sportinggoodsbusiness.com/spo...t_id=1002690223

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Zumbo: World Hunting Association

By Jim Zumbo

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/news/article/0,19912,1206473,00.html

Since the announcement that the World Hunting Association would introduce a competitive hunting tour this year, much of the outdoor community has spoken out against the idea. Here, Zumbo adds his two cents.

World Hunting Association

Internet hunting wasn’t enough of a disgrace -- now we have the World Hunting Association that will offer viewers a reality show where we can watch people who call themselves hunters. These people will stalk whitetails and shoot them with darts, and we can join in on the excitement and root for the deer or the so-called hunter.

Pardon me while I go throw up. This is not hunting, ladies and gentlemen. It is a game which, if allowed to continue, and, God forbid, grow – will make a sham of all we believe as hunters. In this case, hunting becomes a silly contest where the quarry is temporarily incapacitated and then allowed to go play in the daisies and clover. This is a Bambi-fied scenario that will have anti-hunters, non-hunters, and even some hunters perceiving the people on the screen as the “okay” guys, while those of us who slip around in the woods with real guns and bullets will be considered as the “bad” guys.

Worst case scenario -- hunting, as we know it, and I mean real hunting will be perceived as a mean-spirited activity where we kill an animal instead of just immobilizing it. The public will begin demanding that we all take up dart guns and spare the life of the quarry, because to kill an animal will be barbaric, while to dart it will be honorable. In my way of thinking, it’s just the reverse.

The Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset once wrote: “One does not hunt to kill, but one must have killed in order to have hunted.”

This whole enterprise should go away quickly, because I see nothing but trouble ahead. And we don’t need more problems in our hunting community. The animals rights people have supplied us with plenty.

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2006/06/world_hunting_a.html

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http://www.michiganbowhunters.com/

World Hunting Association ALERT!!

Recently, notification of the forming of a self-promoted professional hunting league called the World Hunting Association has come to the attention of the Michigan Bow Hunters Association. This league will have individual contestants shoot tranquilizer implements at whitetail deer bucks, for cash prizes. Individual scores will be awarded on a point system and totaled to go towards the winning of said cash prizes. The first of two 16?day tournaments scheduled for this season is tentatively set for the beginning of October in Gladwin, Mich., at Lost Arrow Ranch.

MBH doesn't support this form of "game" or the use of wildlife resources in this manner. To even describe this as a form of "hunting" is self-demeaning and shows little respect for the sport of hunting. MBH believes that the World Hunting Association actions and intentions are detrimental to the image of hunters and the hunting heritage.

If you want more information on this game, the following link will provide an article for your review sports.espn.go.com.

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[Guest fishermanwhohunts]

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Yeah!!!! Realtree does not support the WHA. I used the question form you can get to from FAQ and I just got the reply. If you do not belive me, try it yourself. Here is what I received.

We have no plans to be involved or participate in the World Hunting

Association.

Thanks for the question,

Team Realtree

[brad dryden]

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I dont really have a opinion on it I kinda think it is pointless becouse instead of tranqualizing it I would rather harvest it with a gun or bow. But then some enjoy the hunt and and if they filled their tags and want to go hunt some more joint it I think it would be cool to tanqualize a big buck just becouse I can enjoy the buck up close and examine him and be happy to have expirenced it and that big buck will continue to live.

But I just stand in the middle of it all.

[buckee]

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http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/gunnut/2006/06/do_you_have_to_.html

June 13, 2006

Do You Have to Kill to Hunt? Guest columnist Thomas McIntyre on the new World Hunting Association

A Note from Dave: In the half-year or so since this blog came into the world, it's become obvious that the people who read it are far above the average in intelligence and culture. And so for you we have a rare treat: a hunter and shooter whose intellectual attainments, wit, general nastiness, and fund of worthless general information are equalled only by my own--Tom McIntryre (no relation to Reba). Take it, Tom

IF YOU SQUINT enough, you just might be able to make out a descending line of succession from the Baron de Coubertin, father of the modern Olympics, to Pete Rozelle, architect of the NFL, to Mark Burnett, creator of Survivor, to, finally, David S. Farbman, commissioner and CEO of the newly announced World Hunting Association. For those of you who have been as yet undisturbed by the knowledge of this association, it is nothing less than an effort to cast hunting as a full-blown NASCAR-style competitive sport. A global tournament circuit is promised, with top professional hunters “competing head to head” in a “man vs. man vs. animal format,” in the words of Mr. Farbman on his web site’s video. Rest assured, this will be a “cutting-edge (sic) non-fatal hunting competition,” using the WHA’s “patent-pending, respectful” tranquilizing technique, in which the hunters will vie for $500,000, or $600,000, or $300,000 (the figure sidles around somewhat) in prize money by tallying points based on the size of the deer they sedate. There will be sponsors and product branding; there will be lights and cameras; there will be one of those giant cardboard checks for the winner; and there will be the enhancement of “the image and experience of hunting today and for the generations of tomorrow”—if the generations of tomorrow all happen to be under the influence of the WHA’s respectful tranquilizer.

None of this is to say that the WHA is the worst idea that anyone has ever had, or even the worst to come out of hunting—that whole bison-slaughter thing would rank above this. But it is a very, very bad idea in so many ways. Where to begin?

In the first place, tranquilizing a large ungulate is not like playing Whack-a-Mole. Whatever secret potion the WHA’s competitors use, they will still have to get precisely the right amount of highly toxic serum into a deer’s system to knock him out, and afterward be able to revive him. Needless-to-say, there are any number of ways in which a scenario like that can go horrendously wrong; and doing it for sport is like putting someone under general anesthesia as an April Fool’s joke. One part of the world where WHA tournaments won’t be held is South Africa, because recreational hunting for big game with tranquilizing darts, for all of the above reasons, has been outlawed there.

The WHA would like to point to the assorted fishing tours as models for its competitions. Yet hardly any fishing tournament is held on private stocked waters, while the WHA will involve privately owned deer on high-fenced properties. No fishing contest I know of includes medicated bass or walleye, and catch-and-release has always been a traditional feature of fishing; in the old days it was called, simply, throwin’ ’em back. Hunting has never embraced any such concept, and the Spanish philosopher Ortega y Gasset went to some pains in his Meditations on Hunting to denounce the “affected piety” of hunting that attempts to avoid killing—“one kills in order to have hunted.” This kind of “hunting” the WHA envisions ultimately plays into the anti-hunter’s sneered accusation of “why do you have to kill them?” (For one thing, it’s much harder to get them to go into the freezer if you don’t.)

And that’s another objection to this sort of travesty, that it divorces hunting from its fundamental purpose of gaining meat for us. I have a moral right to hunt and capture a wild animal if I intend to eat it, but not merely as the goal of some invented game. Too many of the once-natural acts that we practice in this world are already bathed in artificial light. We don’t need to add hunting to the list by reducing its level of authenticity through the use of darts and scorecards. Though cheerleaders might be nice.

Perhaps the most bizarre claim made by the Commish is that he was inspired to create the WHA because whenever he spent time with other hunters, he noticed that they all seemed “to share a common desire: to transform hunting to a new level.” Like a televised competition with prize money and deer collapsing in drug-induced comas? It’s funny, I can’t think of a single hunter who’s ever mentioned to me that this was a new level he had a burning desire to see hunting transformed into. Almost every hunter I’ve known has wanted hunting to stay at the level where it is, or if it were possible, to return to an even earlier, simpler, and more genuine one.

It’s hard to imagine the WHA not falling out of its treestand before it ever gets started (already, two of the companies listed as major sponsors of the tour have decided that they aren’t any kind of sponsors, after all). If a competition is ever held, it’s likely that the boos of the hoards of anti-hunters massed outside the fence will dampen the enthusiasm of the festivities, while the boos of legitimate hunters shouldn’t be any less audible. It probably won’t be necessary to outlaw an almost-guaranteed fiasco like the WHA; but there’s nothing wrong in doing what you can to shame it out of existence.