Chuck Sykes, Management Advantage, WHA!!!

[Guest huntwriter]

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Steve wrote - "Now that your a forum member Othmar, I guess I'll have to wait for you to post anything new."

Not in the least Steve. Who ever is first will post first. I do not care. The only thing I do care about is that as many hunters as possible read about this scam.

Reading my article here again I am embarrassed. I wrote this article, well filled in the comments in my lunch break. I violated the writer rule # 1. which is writing the article and then edit it and then edit it some more and then edit it ones more. If a writer does not do that then you end up with what you read here, MISTAKES. I'll go back and remedy that tomorrow first thing after work.

You are so right Steve. Many people are quick to accuse others of intolerance and yet the very same people let themselves be used, or abused, for cheap propaganda.

I sincerely hope that one day Hack Albertson will realize that he is just being used by the WHA. If he is, as he says, a passionate hunter then there is hope that one day he will open his eyes and say, “Oh my God what have I been supporting here.”

[Guest huntwriter]

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Has the CEO and Commissioner of the WHA, David Faberman, finally gone nuts or does he just have no shame whatsoever?

Here is what he said in an interview conducted by Phil Bloom from The Journal Gazette.

“I believe the World Hunting Association is God’s vision,” he said. “Now our job, with the awesome team I’m working with, is to execute and make this a reality.”

The funny thing is that I in one of my first articles about the WHA asked; “Does Faberman see himself as God’s gift to hunting?” I guess he does now. I can see that this statement will anger many religious hunters too. It seems whenever Faberman or one of his cronies opens their mouth they loose more credibility and look more ridicules.

If it would not be a matter of great concern to real and ethical hunting I would split my sides laughing at these clowns.

You can read the full article here:

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/sports/15000333.htm

[buckee]

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“I believe the World Hunting Association is God’s vision,”

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That's just sick. Does he think that by making that statement, it is somehow going to seal the deal in the minds of Christian hunters, and they are all going to run to support him now ...LOL

Your right Othmar, this guy is really reaching now.

I think that's called using God's name in vane Mr. Farbman.

"Nuts, no shame" ...a whole lot of both I'm beginning to think.

I bet he's paid these guys that are on-board with him right now, pretty good so far.

[buckee]

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"Competitors will use sedatives on the animals, Farbman said. After being scored, the animals would be released back into the wild."

The wild ....LOL ....Doesn't he mean game farm ?

http://edit.detnews.gannettonline.com/ap...384/1004/SPORTS

Here is another man that thinks like David Farbman

http://www.lake-link.com/boards/forums/viewposts.cfm?Thread_ID=41137

"David Farbman, a 34-year-old Michigan real estate executive, is a lifelong "passionate hunter." As creator of the WHA, he said 90 percent of the feedback he has received has been positive. The other 10 percent, he said, do not have the facts or don't want to hear them."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/rec/content/sports/daily/070206jmor.html

The man is a lier and a manipulator

"Farbman said he has not talked to anyone at Michigan DNR and doesn't know that agency's position on his plans."

Let's hope that the DNR will be the deciding factor here, and shut him down for good.

Texas, a few years back, did a great job at quelching that internet hunting scheme of John Lockwood's, by passing a law that prohibits any kind of hunting live animals from your computer.

"It seems to me there are other ways of testing one's hunting skills rather than using live animals. There are all types of shooting sports. They are highly competitive and some offer financial rewards."

Exactly.

Shooting/marksmanship can be, is, and has been a competetive sport for a long time now, but hunting, the chase and the passion, is not a competetition among men, and will never be. To compete man against man, for dollars, in the chase of an wild or domestic animal, perverts hunting to the highest degree, and we should have no part of it.

Here is another good artical, that I for one agree with 100%

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Jun-22-Thu-2006/sports/8096166.html

The name itself "The World Hunting Association", turns my stomache, because it implies that it speakes for me. I am a hunter.

If there is a void to be filled here, it is the very large one between David Farbman's ears. (no pun intended)

Some other very good good articals: http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/outdoors/index.php?ntid=88943&ntpid=2

http://mikehanback.blogs.com/bigbuckzone/2006/06/darttour_ceo_an.html

[buckee]

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This isn't over until Farbman sings the blues

[Guest huntwriter]

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The man is a lier and a manipulator.

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Of course he is a liar. So far he has done nothing but lie. "The majority of hunters have asked for it" Lie.

"The feedback we are getting is to 90% positive." Lie. Why then have all the sponsors pulled out? A quick seach on the web will bring forth 90% anti-WHA results.

It seems Faberman not only lies he is also a fraud. I read in an newspaper article where it says that his real estate company is been investigated by the General Auditor. It even said something to the fact that he, Faberman, sent threatening and harassing messages to the General Auditors office.

This to me looks like someone that wants to get his way, and only his way, come **** or high water. Not bad for someone God has chosen to be the salvation of our hunting heritage.

Like I said before. If it where not such a serious matter for our hunting heritage I would laugh out loud about Faberman's jokes.

P.S. The latest news is that the Quality Deer Management Association had a personal talk with Faberman in which they disapproved of his idea. The full article is on my Blog.

[buckee]

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Thanks, I knew you wanted me to copy and paste it here..

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QDM speaks out against the WHA

Yet another large hunting organization speaks out against the World Hunting Association. In a personal meeting with Faberman, the CEO of the WHA, the Quality Deer Management Association tells him that they oppose his organization. Lets hope that the WHA finally will get the message we are trying so hard to get across to the WHA. WE DO NOT WANT YOU! WE DO NOT NEED YOU! WE NEVER ASKED FOR IT!

The Quality Deer Management Association announced today its opposition to the World Hunting Association (WHA) and its proposed deer hunting tournament series. “We have been following this issue closely since it surfaced and now have enough facts to state unequivocally that the QDMA does not support the WHA or its proposed hunting competition,” QDMA Executive Director Brian Murphy said.

In an effort to fully understand the WHA program, Murphy recently accepted an offer from WHA CEO David Farbman to meet and discuss the details of the program. Murphy and other QDMA staff members met July 6th with Farbman at the QDMA’s National Headquarters in Georgia.

During the meeting, the QDMA staff raised numerous objections to WHA’s program and encouraged Farbman to terminate the program or, at the very least, to make radical changes including, among others, eliminating the darting/drugging aspect in favor of actual harvest and moving the “competition” outside of fenced enclosures.

However, even if WHA makes these and other suggested program modifications, the QDMA will remain opposed to WHA’s hunting tournament format, where “hunters” will be rewarded with cash and prizes for drugging or killing deer in a competitive environment.

“There are too many objectionable issues associated with this program to be something the QDMA can support – even if it is substantially modified,” Murphy said. “Deer hunting is not a competitive sport, nor is it similar to bass fishing or any form of angling where competition can and does occur.” Simply put, WHA’s program violates many elements of QDMA’s mission of ethical hunting, sound deer management and preservation of the deer-hunting heritage – values shared by the vast majority of deer hunters in North America.

The QDMA is a national nonprofit wildlife conservation organization with more than40,000 members in all 50 states and several foreign countries.

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[Guest huntwriter]

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The latest and so far weirdest news from the WHA just in:

This article is taken from Ron's Personal Jpurnal

Farbman Group gives to anti-hunting Michigan Humane Society.

I find it highly ironic that The Farbman Group (Meaning "World Hunting Association" CEO, David Farbman's family corporation) has given money to the Michigan Humane Society, when that particular humane society is very active in trying to ban Mourning Dove hunting in Michigan. What is even more ironic, is that the MHS has remained silent for the past couple of months, when it could have been very vocal against the World Blunting Association and taken the lead in keeping it from taking off, instead of us hunters policing our own.

One has to openly speculate whether the Michigan Humane Society knows about Farbman's blunting organization (they'd have to live in a cave not to know), and whether they are now remaining silent, due to the donations from this large corporation, to keep from offending them? I think I feel a need to ask them now, since Farbman is ignoring the concerns of the vast majority of ethical hunters across the U.S., and the entire globe for that matter.

And one has to wonder, what is the Farbman Group doing openly supporting anti-hunting organizations, when David Farbman says that we should be supporting his blunting association, where animals will intentionally be blunted with arrows for fun and prizes. It does lend some credence to statements by others found elsewhere on the Internet, that Farbman may have secretly adopted an animal-rights mentality and is working to damage hunting intentionally...

I have to agree with the writer here. Either Faberman is in fact an animal rights nut and wanted to lure us into a trap. It is also possible that Faberman is now very angry at the hunting community because we have not let him have his way and now he jumps out of spite on the oppositions bandwagon. Any which way I look at it I am puzzled and ask myself, "What will he come up with next?"

This story is getting more bizarre as time goes on.

[buckee]

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WOW..That's weird, because when I first became aware of the WHA and what they were planning, one of my first thoughts were "An anti in hunters clothing" (A wolf in sheep's clothing). Then I read through things and discarded those thoughts and just assumed this guy was just a rich man, used to getting his own way, with a crazy, stupid idea for making more money.

He could very well be an anti. He sure does fit the profile. He's crazy, bold, manipulative, a lier, doesn't listen to reason, and on an unstoppable mission.

I hope he gets uncovered if he is ...and soon

[LifeNRA]

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Simply put, WHA’s program violates many elements of QDMA’s mission of ethical hunting

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Not just the QDMA's mission of ethical hunting, ALL HUNTERS WHO HUNT ETHICALLY!!!

[LifeNRA]

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He could very well be an anti. He sure does fit the profile.

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After reading that last bit opn him I would say he fits the bill! I hope this knit-wit soons gets the idea of what everybody wants him to do!!! GO AWAY!!!

[GWSmith]

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His entire Idea from it's inception has been "Anti-Traditional".

Traditional Hunting being what it is...He's an Anti plain and simple.

[Guest HaDeRonDa]

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This WHA is a load of garbage. This is a much nicer word that I would have really used in person but

and I use this next thought with a very open mind. Back in the early 1800's no one ever caught a fish and released it. It was considered "non-traditional"

Hmmm....

So should we stop letting fish live for another day for another person?

Times change and some people want this change to happen. Some like most of us would rather it never happen. There is going to be a meeting ground somewhere unless we help enact legislation against this preposterous idea.

[GWSmith]

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...Back in the early 1800's no one ever caught a fish and released it. It was considered "non-traditional"...

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You mean to tell me that nobody(in the 1800's) ever caught a fish that was too small to keep, not big enough for them to clean and eat, and they never released these fish???

What was traditional about fishing back then is that they ate what they decided to keep because it was big enough to feed someone in their family!!!

I can use traditional or modern fishing gear today and make the same choices.

If I use traditional or modern Hunting gear today...and hit what I'm aiming at...it dies.

I know this before I make the decision to shoot.

Theres no throwing it back.

It's not fishing...and Thankfully there are not many people out there who hunt like they fish.

I think I would have to quit hunting if when I went to the woods there were a bunch of people casting out bullets at high speed into the woods and blindly shooting into thick brush...hoping they catch a deer because their using the right pattern with their 30-06

To ____ with That!!!!

They should be the ones to Quit...Not Me

Some of the methods of hunting may have changed over the years but I'll tell you something that has not changed from the Traditional Hunting of years gone by that I and many others want to see continue...

When I pull the trigger or release the arrow I've already made a decision to kill, provide that kill as food to eat for my family or another family that needs the meat.

This Farbman character has my Face..not my back.

[Guest huntwriter]

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This WHA is a load of garbage. This is a much nicer word that I would have really used in person but

and I use this next thought with a very open mind. Back in the early 1800's no one ever caught a fish and released it. It was considered "non-traditional"

Hmmm....

So should we stop letting fish live for another day for another person?

Times change and some people want this change to happen. Some like most of us would rather it never happen. There is going to be a meeting ground somewhere unless we help enact legislation against this preposterous idea.

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No disrespect for your valued opinion, but a fish and a mammal are two very different things. Fish have no emotions and a lot less nerves than a mammal. These are only two of many differences. These differences make a fish less prone to stress and anxiety and they also suffer almost no pain. A mammal on the other hand can suffer pain and has emotions. It is this that makes the catch and release of mammals often very problematic. The mammal show signs of stress not necessary right away, in some cases it can take weeks until stress gains the upper hand in an animal and kills it slowly. This does not happen with fish.

Also you do not inject a drug, with all its possible nasty side effects into a fish. No. You hook it then remove the hook and let it go on its marry way. The WHA on the other hand injects immobilizer drugs into an animal for fun and money. This is not only questionable from the point of hunter ethics but also from the point of Veterinary ethics. Talk to a veterinarian what he thinks about injecting and animal for no medical purpose whatsoever with tranquilizer drugs.

[Guest huntwriter]

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Here is the reason why after 15 years of marriage I still love my wife like on the day our path crossed. Let me explain. My wife, a graphic designer and photographer is a non-hunter, yet she lets me hunt without question and complaining. She even will back me up on subjects that bother me, after she has made up her own mind about it trough research. Clever person she is takes never just my word for it.

Last night she started a tread on an art forum about the WHA because, like me, she is opposed to the very idea that animals should be treated with such lack of respect.

Here is the link to the tread. http://forum.deviantart.com/community/politics/672191/

Please bear in mind when you read the discussion that with a few exceptions these are all non-hunters. By the way, the person leading the discussion is my wife, she purposly avoids letting it be known that her hubby is a hunter..

[ruttinbuc]

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All I'd like to say is that was one of the most interesting reads on the WHA issue. To read the views of another interest group was quite eye opening. I admire your wife's intelligence and tenacity at keeping the issue and some of the posters in line. She does a fine job in speaking for hunting even though she does not participate. Thanks for sharing this outsider view! I'd encourage every hunter to read the threads.

[Guest HaDeRonDa]

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...Back in the early 1800's no one ever caught a fish and released it. It was considered "non-traditional"...

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You mean to tell me that nobody(in the 1800's) ever caught a fish that was too small to keep, not big enough for them to clean and eat, and they never released these fish???

What was traditional about fishing back then is that they ate what they decided to keep because it was big enough to feed someone in their family!!!

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nothin! Buckets of fish were caught, size did not matter most of the time except to those paying a guide to take them to the lunkers for photographs. People stopped fishing when they ran out of bait. Not when they had enough to feeed their family. And YES, 4" brookies were kept. Gutted and fried they could be eaten whole with bones and all. There were no laws governing numbers and size. I'm not saying that all fishermen kept everything similar to all hunters being on board with our thoughts of WHA. It was the sportsman who decided to help enact legislation against such practices.

Deer were slaughtered like the great tuna has been slaughtered. Size did not matter nor did numbers at one time. Deer were seen as a product. The leather industry ran by the word deer hides during the civil war.

Northern deer hides were the king in the leather industry and much of their flesh was left to rot in the woods.

That is why we need to voice our opinions to our state legislators to stop this WHA sort of practices just as sportsmen have done in the past. Are we the great conservationists that our ancestors were or are we just

all talk? Might the grass roots effort start right on this site to stop WHA?

[Guest huntwriter]

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Here is what Chuck Sykes has posted on the forum where my wife started a tread about the WHA.

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"Did you come up with this topic or did your husband???? Othmar is a complete idiot with a personal agenda not to mention the quote to this thread is from the Huntingnet forum which is a direct competitor of the WHA.

Hmmmmm...People dont believe all that you read into on this. Go check out the website yourself and read the FAQ on the site at [link]

this is hardly shooting fish in a barrel and you have to have a tremendous amount of skill to get close to these deer, which by the way are much smarter in many ways than a deer on state land."

This is what my wife answerd him:

"I see you got an account just to insult people...

A pity- it's people like you who make hunters look bad."

I like the part where he, Chuck, says that private land deer are much smarter than deer on state land. Somehow this, to me, is very telling of how much he knows about hunting and deer. Real hunters know, of course, that public land deer are much smarter when it comes to hunters than private land deer or even domesticated (livestock) deer that are completely use to humans.

In an email from today I have been informed that the WHA has taken Chuck Sykes of their Website and also his fake science statement. The writer of the email was of the opinion that perhaps Mossy Oak may have put pressure on the WHA or Cuck Sykes. Any which way it happend, that is good news.

[Guest HaDeRonDa]

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Wow, he is pretty stupid isn't he? I was going to say ignorant but then I realized that stupid fits the bill better.

[LifeNRA]

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I wish that idiot would come here and see what we have to say! Then again! Keep the trash out!!!

[ruttinbuc]

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I communicated with Chuck Sykes awhile back. Here is that exchange:

Chuck,

The WHA is the worst idea for hunting to ever come down the pike. Your participation and inclusion in this absurdity is noted. Your show will no longer be included in my viewing schedule. Misperceptions....Not hardly!

Mike H

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Mike, I appreciate your opinion. I am a consultant for WHA whose main job in to watch over the deer herd at tournament locations and to make sure they are managed in a responsible way. I am sorry you feel you can no longer support our television program because I also happen to consult for the WHA. I consult for private land owners all over the country. This job, like my others has no relation to the quality of our TV show. I would like to know why you feel the as you put it “WHA is the worst idea for hunting to ever come down the pike.” If you are a loyal viewer to The Management Advantage and have watched us grow over the last six years, you would know that I would not work for a company who in my opinion was detrimental to the sport we all hold dear. Please, give me your reasons why you can no longer support us and why WHA is a detriment to the hunting community.

Chuck Sykes

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Chuck,

Thanks for your response. I have been hunting for 38 years and in that time I have watched the integrity of the tradition wash downhill. It used to be pure and simple and most folks could participate at little expense. There were plenty of places to hunt with just a smile and a handshake. Videos used to show people how to hunt with very little advertisement. The reasons why we hunt were close to the chest and born from the heart. It was about comraderie with family and friends sharing a passion all could take part in. It didn't matter if you shot, it was about being out there. Food for the table if you were skilled, or most times, lucky enough. Didn't matter who you were, where you were from, or where on the social ladder you stood.

Along comes media marketing making the whitetail a cash cow. Everybody and their brother hitting each other over the head for the biggest the best and the bragging rights to the latest and greatest bows, arrows, guns, ammo, clothing, treestands, gizmos, gadgets, deer feed, plot seed, ete. etc. Its endless! The price the working man has to pay today just to participate is going beyond his ability to. Finding places to hunt is harder than ever. More greed at work here. A kings ransome for land, BUY or LEASE An arm and a leg to hunt with "outfitters" of the that year!

Now comes this WHA and this BassMasters catch and release for cash nonsense. Inside a fence no less. (I don't care how big it is, a fence is a fence) I am supposed to understand that this is a good thing for hunting?. We are ready for this? Who are the people the WHA and its ilk looking to recruit to the sport of DARTING?

(Hunting involves killing!) . The already misinformed who don't have a clue to begin with. Those miscreants that think that money is the sole reason that people hunt? The PETA crowd?.

I can go on forever about this. Hunting is not catch and release. It should never be about the money. It should always be about the hunting and what it does for the soul. What it is in its pure and simple form since man first stood upright. The WHA is about the money and its wrong for all the right reasons.! It is most unfortunate for those involved with them whether as participants, sponsors or hired help. They will be held accountable to this fiasco and the furor it has and will create! As I have said, I cannot and will not patronize anyone involved with the WHA. in any form of product or media.

Mike H

He did not respond to that email! Wonder why?

[buckee]

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"Did you come up with this topic or did your husband???? Othmar is a complete idiot with a personal agenda not to mention the quote to this thread is from the Huntingnet forum which is a direct competitor of the WHA.

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What a Weiner ..(I don't know whether to laugh or cry) LOL.

He knows full well what 99% of hunters are saying about the WHA, on all the different hunting web-sites, and yet he choses to harass a woman, on her own private site...LOL.

Why doesn't he come in here and ask those same questions. I'm sure we could give him some answers.

If Othmar is a complete idiot with a personal agenda, then so am I and 99% of all the hunters on the web, who have heard about the WHA.

[Guest huntwriter]

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Chuck,

Thanks for your response. I have been hunting for 38 years and in that time I have watched the integrity of the tradition wash downhill. It used to be pure and simple and most folks could participate at little expense. There were plenty of places to hunt with just a smile and a handshake. Videos used to show people how to hunt with very little advertisement. The reasons why we hunt were close to the chest and born from the heart. It was about comraderie with family and friends sharing a passion all could take part in. It didn't matter if you shot, it was about being out there. Food for the table if you were skilled, or most times, lucky enough. Didn't matter who you were, where you were from, or where on the social ladder you stood.

Along comes media marketing making the whitetail a cash cow. Everybody and their brother hitting each other over the head for the biggest the best and the bragging rights to the latest and greatest bows, arrows, guns, ammo, clothing, treestands, gizmos, gadgets, deer feed, plot seed, ete. etc. Its endless! The price the working man has to pay today just to participate is going beyond his ability to. Finding places to hunt is harder than ever. More greed at work here. A kings ransome for land, BUY or LEASE An arm and a leg to hunt with "outfitters" of the that year!

Now comes this WHA and this BassMasters catch and release for cash nonsense. Inside a fence no less. (I don't care how big it is, a fence is a fence) I am supposed to understand that this is a good thing for hunting?. We are ready for this? Who are the people the WHA and its ilk looking to recruit to the sport of DARTING?

(Hunting involves killing!) . The already misinformed who don't have a clue to begin with. Those miscreants that think that money is the sole reason that people hunt? The PETA crowd?.

I can go on forever about this. Hunting is not catch and release. It should never be about the money. It should always be about the hunting and what it does for the soul. What it is in its pure and simple form since man first stood upright. The WHA is about the money and its wrong for all the right reasons.! It is most unfortunate for those involved with them whether as participants, sponsors or hired help. They will be held accountable to this fiasco and the furor it has and will create! As I have said, I cannot and will not patronize anyone involved with the WHA. in any form of product or media.

Mike H

He did not respond to that email! Wonder why?

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Mike - I could not have said it better myself. With this letter you spoke out exactly what many hunters feel. Thank you for sharing this e-mails with us and thank you for taking the time to send these words off to a WHA supporter.

on a different note. For me a small dream has come true. For years I have been hoping that one day all hunters, regardless from what camp, could come together and fight for our heritage. Now this dream has become true with the WHA "revolution". Bow hunters, firearm hunters and crossbow hunters, together we stood up and defended our hunting heritage. Here is hoping we will do it again if needed. United we stand, divided we fall. This case has proven what we can do when we are united.

[buckee]

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So true Othmar. All is not lost yet.