heathcoerracin Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon i forgot to mention that i dnt care for Gordon or Kenseth lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Im not even going to argue this one cuz there shouldnt even be an arguement. Gordon had 4 laps to make the pass and could have bumped him out of the way on the final lap IF HE HAD TO. But Jeffy did it with 4 laps to go in the middle of a turn at that.........When my drivers do something stupid, I at least have the decency not to come in here and congratulate them on it.......You should have known better before you posted this VT cuz you know how people in here react when Gordon does something stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIwhitetailhunter Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon If drivers are just plain racing, there should be no need to "get even". So if a driver is out to even the score, they must be doing a little more than just racing, right? BTW, It's too bad Gordon won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Personally I think Kenseth was running out of gas and his car was fluttering in the corners and he had to lift slightly and hoped to break Gordon's momentum. All of the guys were running short on fuel and all I can say after that incident is BRISTOL! Matt got what he deserved back, he punted Jeff there and admitted fault, payback was due!!! The race was pretty boring up to that point you have to admit! NASCAR needs more of this to get the sport back to where it was 10 years ago!! Congrats to Jeff! The score between the two has now been settled...... I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Man I love this.... How many times have I seen just about everyone that has responded to this post say,,, anything goe's with 5 laps or less to go.....when it pretained to there driver Here's one for ya..... Move it or lose it.... Gordon won and that all there is to it.... and by the way 2 more wins and he passes the late Dale Sr. on the all time win list.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Didn't see the race, but I was cheering for A.B.G. - Anybody but Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str8shooter48 Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon I sort of like Gordon being a little more aggressive. I'm not a Gordon fan, but can't say I hate him either. The best part of it all it gets the anti Gordon fans riled up and takes the heat off my boy Tony Stewart. Keeps the anti Stewart crowd quiet. Thanks Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon This really isn't even worth posting...but I'll add my .02 and leave it at that! How come when a faster car doesn't lift for Gordon and there is a wreck...its the other drivers fault? IE...Gordon and Stewart at Daytona this year. For you Gordon fans...do a search and read your reply's to that thread. Now, Gordon was faster...didn't lift, caused a wreck and its the other drivers fault? A win is a win...Gordon won, as long as he and his fans can sleep with that win...so can I! BTW, how can Kenseth be blamed for blocking when Gordon ran the high line for 20 laps before deciding to run the low line were Matt has been running? Yes, they all bump from time to time to win (well maybe not Mark Martin ) still don't make it racing...makes it crashing!!!!!! Oh and if Gordon only needs 2 more wins to tie Dale Sr....then how come he don't have 7 cup titles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon [ QUOTE ] Oh and if Gordon only needs 2 more wins to tie Dale Sr....then how come he don't have 7 cup titles? [/ QUOTE ] Think that says it all!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schunter4 Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Let's do some math. Gordon 15 years 75 wins. Earnhardt 27 years 76 wins. I don't think last post "says it all" Give Gordon 27 seasons and you won't even mention the two in the same sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon remember this too, if the Chase format would not be in place Gordon would have won the that year and not Busch. If the old format would have been left alone and that points system Jeff would have won. Now if Sr. was still around I personally don't think the Chase would of ever happened. NASCAR listened to Dale and he made all the races fun to watch. No matter where he was on the track, you always wanted to know if your guy was in front of him because Dale set a standard and was always a front runner and a fan favorite. Love him or hate him, he was a great driver to have out there. Gordon may never reach 7 but he will get more wins and who knows, he may get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Well.....Vermont Hunter, you've responded 10 times to defend Gordon and yet you criticize everyone else as being a Gordon hater. I think being a Gordon lover has blinded you from the truth. You still admitted to him wrecking Kenseth. You said it was payback and that he deserved to get wrecked. I am not a Kenseth fan but I am not a Gordon hater ..... Until now. It's not like Bristol where passing is hard and basically only one line. Chicago has at least 3 maybe 4 lines and if Kenseth would have moved up he would have wrecked the 42 car and possibly Gordon as well. Maybe that's what he should have done. Gordon is so panicked to get into the Chase so he isn't ridiculed anymore than he was last year that he all but admitted to wrecking anybody that gets in his way. Jimmy Johnson better watch out in case he ticks the boss off!!! I guess Gordon likes being a heel. It's like the WWE all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon [ QUOTE ] Give Gordon 27 seasons and you won't even mention the two in the same sentence. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence now, or ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon [ QUOTE ] Jeff, didn't do anything different than any other driver out would have done to win the race.... so lets all stop pretending about that fact.... Matt had NO intentions of moving out of the faster car way,,, so he was moved out of the way, and that's just part of racing, so lets stop the whinning just because it was Jeff that won... [/ QUOTE ] Gordon was so much faster than Matt at the end he could have passed him on the high side. He could have done it in the next turn after they cleared Mears. He had 4 laps to do it. I don't really think he did it on purpose but I'm sure he didn't care after what happened at Bristol. I don't think what Jeff did was any different than what Matt did at Bristol. They should be even now though. I do hate to see Jeff Gordon win a race (not to mention take out one of my favorite drivers) but Matt had it coming and Jeff made it look good enough so that it was a "racing deal". Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon I will start this by saying I don't like either gordon or kennseth. I was watch the baseball game on ESPN last night and they showed a highlight of the incident. I think Joe Morgan, ESPN's commentator, pretty much summed up what the average person probably thinks about what happened. He said something along the lines of "I am not a race fan, but can you really just run up and knock someone out of the way?" That is not an exact quote, but the jist of it is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Blah Blah Blah,,, when you boil it all down and analyze it what you all are saying is it's ok for your driver to knock people around the track but when a Hendrick car doe's it,, it a totally different story.. People have been running over other cars since the birth of NASCAR,, it's just who does it when it OK.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon You can call it even if you want to, but there is a huge difference in spinning someone out at Bristol where there were 19 cautions last time, most of them for spinning cars. But at at Chicagoland, there were very few cautions and they were mostly for debris. The reason is that the track is big enough and has enough grooves that you can pass someone if you are better. But Jeff expects everyone to move out of his way and give him his line, and if they don't he will just run thru them i guess. [ QUOTE ] "He didn’t hesitate to turn right down into the groove," Gordon said. "I said, ‘Wow, he’s brave. My car got through the middle of the turn so well, I just jumped on the gas and he didn’t get off the turn quite as good. I just ran into the back of him." [/ QUOTE ] But maybe there is another reason. After all, Kenseth would have been the points leader, and Jeff is desperate to stay within range of them. [ QUOTE ] "While it’s a whole lot more fun to win without controversy, it’s still fun to win" said Gordon, who moved into 10th place in the standings, the final slot above the Chase for the Nextel Cup cutoff. "Matt’s got to understand that he’s in the Chase and we were out. …When I got to his bumper there was going to be action. We need wins, we need momentum and we need to be in the Chase." [/ QUOTE ] why did there need to be "action" when he got to Matt's bumper? If he was so much faster that he couldn't help running in the back of him, why couldn't he wait another lap and pass him clean? I wouldn't have really had a problem if it was the last lap, but he had plently of time to pass him clean and chose not to. that's what ticked me off, i think it's ok to do what you have to do to win, but that was unnecessary-he could have won without being boneheaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon You guys are still missing the point here.... Matt intentionally was using a lap car to break Jeffs momentum... and incase all of you have forgotten this little fact of AREO PUSH at Chicago you can't just pass anywhere you please... And if Matt was that slow and wanted to use the blocking option why shouldn't he get run over ?? He's the one that put himself in the position to get run over in the first place... Likle I said who's doing the whinning now ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Kenseth was in trouble with running out of fuel and was probably easing it through the corners trying to save fuel and probably trying to break Jeff's momentum. Seems some forget the Bristol bump the #17 gave the #24, now that was way more intentional than what the #24 gave the #17!! I am not a 24 likeer nor a hater, but in a nutshell you can't say he's not a proven winner. He has more championships and wins than any of us will ever see!! I like seeing the more aggressive side of Gordon, the sport needs a wake-up every now and then, Stewart has toned it down some so we need a new guy to stir up the bee's nest. Just never thought it would be Gordon!! LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon So what was Matt supposed to do, stay behind the lapped car and let Jeff pass both of them? and the "you deserve to be run over if you block" mentality is crazy anyway. what if everyone who blocked last week at daytona got wrecked? i am pretty sure if someone punted the leader there then they would have been hit with rough driving. and i am not whining, i don't like kenseth any better than Gordon, it's just stupid to wreck the leader like that. they could have had one of those good side-by-side finishes that have been happening pretty regularly at that type of track despite the aero push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schunter4 Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Give Gordon 27 seasons and you won't even mention the two in the same sentence. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence now, or ever. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry you feel that bad towards Earnhardt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon and if you keep bringing up the bristol bump and saying matt deserved it, then Gordon deserved it at Bristol for booting Truex a few laps earlier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon [ QUOTE ] Bristol for booting Truex a few laps earlier [/ QUOTE ] I think if you check that footage... you'll see a whole mess of cars checking up on that one.... and was in NO way intentional... And I have seen cars pushed out of the way for blocking at Talladega and Daytona... what do you think Dale Sr. was doing when he met his trajic end ??? BLOCKING for his teammates.. this is how 60% of the accidents accur at these speedways,, because of blocking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon Nice little piece by pit reporter Marty Snider: [ QUOTE ] I'm a little surprised that Gordon did not show more patience. He knew he had a better car than Kenseth. After gaining more than a half-second for three consecutive laps, surely he could have found a better way to pass him. I guess desperate times call for extreme decisions, so he wrecked him, as Gordon himself said. I was quite impressed with how the 17 team reacted. After a moment of anger, there was a distinct calm in the pit, a mood captained by the man behind the wheel himself. When Robbie Reiser told Matt to "just calm down" after the wreck, Matt replied "I'm cool as a cucumber dude. Don't worry about me." But don't mistake Kenseth's calm demeanor as forgiveness. Indeed, we all are supposed to forgive, but I would bet that Matt will carry this grudge for quite a while. Kenseth is testing this week in Indy and reports are that Matt didn't sleep this one off. Gordon will not be in Indy until Tuesday. After the obligatory talk with NASCAR, this will go away on the surface but somewhere, someday, it will be payback time. [/ QUOTE ] I hope they do start a good rivalry! I'd rather see things get a little controversial than boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABuckSlayer Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Re: CONGRATS to J. Gordon [ QUOTE ] You guys are still missing the point here.... Matt intentionally was using a lap car to break Jeffs momentum... and incase all of you have forgotten this little fact of AREO PUSH at Chicago you can't just pass anywhere you please... And if Matt was that slow and wanted to use the blocking option why shouldn't he get run over ?? He's the one that put himself in the position to get run over in the first place... [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with that statement totally. If you look at where Mears was on the track when Jeff got into Matt he was 2 grooves up the track. They just ran up on Mears. I don't think Matt was using him as a pick. As far as aero push goes... Gordon was making up so much ground so quick at the end I don't believe he was being affected by that then. Not to mention if he moves up the track he would have gotton more air on the nose. I guess next time Kenseth will get out of the way and not "put himself in that position" when Gordon is coming up to pass. That's rediculous! If they were equal at the end and Gordon did that in the last turn of the last lap then that's one thing but he could have past Kenseth without wrecking him and that's what pissed me off about the deal. I know your taking up for your boy but you can't honestly say he needed to do that to have past Kenseth before the checkered flag. I'm not against the bump and run at the end of the race (I don't care if it's Gordon, Stewart, whoever) but I'm just saying it wasn't needed in this case. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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