huntings losing its focus

[BowJoe]

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Gee Nut. You sure know how to bring a thread down. Why so cynical? Do what makes you happy and leave the cut downs out of it please. I understand your point but you could be a little nicer about it on here. About the whole debating thing... instead of debating you decide to come on here and instigate negative debate. You say you have nothing to say about it yet you write an entire paragraph of how you would tick everybody off. I'm not ticked I just think that was pointless and antagonistic. Besides, all of your little parenthesis comments are degrading to the people that do actually use those methods. I guess it's your winning comments like in the last thread that bring new hunters in by the droves. I killed a button buck last year and that meat was some of the best I'd ever had. And I did it intentionally. Some people need to use crossbows because of age or handicap and not wanting to stop hunting just because they can't draw and hold a regular bow. Some people actually meat hunt only and use corn piles but I guess they are just too lazy to plant a food plot since not everyone owns large amounts of land and the equipment to do it. I guess some people are just too lazy to debate and try to recruit other hunters in to this lifestyle so instead they cut down the ones that do and make nothing but egotistical and degrading comments about them. You have a choice and an oppinion. Try not to get them confused.

[horst]

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Chris, a lotta what you see isnt new hunters, its other hunters trying new seasons out.I know here I bow and muzzleloader hunted for a lotta years and never ran into anyone, they all shotgun hunted.Now you dont see anyone hardly shotgun hunting but the bow and ML seasons are crazy, theres guys everywhere.Their not new hunters, their just taking advantage of the different seasons and the improved technology in todays "primitive" weapons.If youve had a lot of extra tags or changes in the seasons around there it might explain a lot as well.

[GWSmith]

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The problem, Chris, is that more and more people have decided that their way is the only way. Partly to blame is videos and DVDs such as Monster Bucks. It's all about the rack. How many times have we seen Waddell or Blanton decide to take a smaller racked buck because it was heavier? I have seen Waddell take 1 doe, as well as T-Bone. That's all. We've had it drummed into our head that racks are the be all end all of hunting. We brag about thinning the herd while letting does walk until last resort.

We hear it all the time- 'it may be legal in your state to bait, but I think it's unethical, now let me tell you about my food plot'. That state obviously decided that baiting was a potential solution to the deer over-crowding. But that doesn't matter, because 'that's not how I do it, and my opinion is more valid than yours.'

Someone posts a thread on this board about a clean kill, following all of his state's fair chase laws and 7 guys rip his methods apart, or says he should've waited for him to grow up, then immediately go to another thread and reply that 'we all need to stick together' or ' the antis are trying to tear us apart'. Not even seeing that we are tearing ourselves apart.

I rarely even post in any of the hunting rooms anymore for that reason. Just my $.02. Take it for what it's worth.

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I Agree Steve...

I have no problem with people who believe so much in "their way" of hunting....

My problem with them is when they start telling me that I'm unethical because my way does not mirror match their way

Often I feel like telling them to go jump in a lake...but I wouldnt want to ruin the fishes habitat

I do have pride...I have the pride of being raised by my Father who taught me hunting as a source of food. He had to live that way for many days of his life and when I hunted with him and he was successful you could not tell from his expression if it was a Buck or Doe he had harvested...because it did not matter.

A few years ago he went on his first Elk hunt in his lifetime. It was something he had always wanted to do but other priorities got in the way.

He was successful in his eyes and was able to take a 6x6...a Trophy of a lifetime dream realized for him.

One of the pictures that he sent me was of his freezer full of Processed Elk Meat

In his lifetime he has seen many changes in hunting regulations and adjusted to hunting smaller and smaller parcels of land as the years went by.

When he took his first Elk he was hunting a parcel of land that was 14,000+ acres. He went through a gate at the beginning of his hunt and never saw the fence that surrounded the property the entire time. It took him 3 days to see and then tag his Elk.

Many people would disagree with his hunt because it was in an enclosure.

He could not care less what they think about it...it was a hunt in his mind.

If you told him that he was unethical...he would be polite and tell you "You hunt the way you want to...I surely will".

For some reason, I geuss the apple does not fall too far from the tree, I have adopted his way of thinking over the years.

All the people who get their jollies over telling other people what they should be doing while hunting and that my way is unethical....

Geuss What? When you spout off...your not on my mind when I'm hunting and I could care less if you agree how I'm doing it either...

"YOU HUNT THE WAY YOU WANT TO...I SURELY WILL"

...and I'll continue to be the kind of hunter my Father raised me to be...I dont care how you hunted...I'll help you drag your deer out of the woods

BTW...IMHO...Vienna Sausages is a "Canned Hunt"

[wtnhunt]

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We all should support each other but the main issue I see is how each year we lose hunters and never recruit their replacements.

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Not to change the focus of the thread, but Fred, I agree with supporting each other, but do you truly see Ohio losing hunters? Everywhere I go I see more and more hunters. It's a very rare day when I go hunting and don't see another guy hunting, and sometimes tresspassing.

Maybe those tresspassers aren't buying licenses.

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Same here. Most definitely not a decline in hunters in this area, and unfortunatley there seems to be a lot more people(Tresspassers-POACHERS) killing or shooting deer in this area than what should be here.

[David_218]

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Personally, I'd never hunt over baited areas. I believe in "fair Chase" hunting of any game.

[Guest Finn]

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I support any and all manners of legal hunting....PERIOD.

If you don't, you should re-evaluate your commitment to the sport of hunting.

Remember, this isn't about one guy and his ego. This is about the future of hunting.

[The_Kat]

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Oklahoma kill numbers have dropped some in the last three years from a record high of over 100,000, but I still believe the number of hunters is doing well. I do also believe hunting is changing. Like others have said, alot of guys are changing to the QDM concepts of hunting and frown on the harvest of imature deer. It's just the way it is, and I don't see it changing anytime soon. Theres to much media out there portraying hunts and "how" there supposed to be.

What do you expect new hunters to do? They do what they see and are taught by all these professional hunting shows....It will really make you stop and think when you watch a 7 year old kid whose never shot a buck pass on smaller bucks because he ain't "good enough". Theres some more food for thought.

[Guest HaDeRonDa]

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Wow, anything I have to say is insignificant. Like it would have been if I was the first to post on the topic. LMBO

Now, be kind ot NUT and his post.

It's probably a sub group of Mothers of America with mushy hearts that want to make very thing "feel good" that came up with the idea that posing with a deer with it's tongue sticking out was bad. Or was the the film industry not wanting to upset the nieve public?

You see where I'm going and I have no problem with upsetting the non-hunter. "Hey Look at this gutpile!"

I don't tell the guy who drives a motorcycle that he is stupid and that he should fill out his donor card. Non-hunters should not be the ones telling hunters how to act.

The tongue and gutpile, as ugly as it is to me is natural and doing anything other than is just playing the the drum of people involved wiht PETA. BTW: every blood spot on a deer has to be wiped off before a picture can be taken. HUH????

IMO, Bait is fine. I often wonder who was responsible for making anti-baiting laws. Maybe it was a hunter on a warpath trying to sell his way of hunting.. Maybe it was a hunter trying to appease his wife.

And yes, fawns do get shot. Only for sound management reasons though.

Let's say oyou have a freezer full of venison packaged without note as to what deer in particular it was. When you eat it for dinner do you say, "I wonder what deer this was?" No, you say, "darn, this is good!!!"

Maybe we should not focus on the picture of the deer but the meatpile that lays on your table after you butcher it. The mount is for the wall and it serves us well as rememberance but what serves us well as rememberance of the venison we ate? Our fat guts?

What is the harvest celebration about? Size of the deer or the tablefare it provides?

Since we all don't agree on any one particular ethical code who is anyone to say.

I close, and thank God right?, by saying that you hunt the way you prefer. I'm not the one to tell you anything about what you may be doing wrong. God knows my faults.

[Nut]

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BowJoe....I think you missed my point...... reread it and see if you can understand where I am coming from. I hunt with a crossbow at times and will take a button buck this fall ....the main reason is because I also want to. The plus side will be to post the pic of me with it and having a BIG smile. It might even have it's tonhue hanging out. But I spend more time hunting with youngsters than by myself.

I care about the whole health of the deer herd ,not mangaing it for antler size.

The only cut downs I put into my post are the restrictions other hunters have posted before and would like to put on ME. They do not want to allow me to hunt with a crossbow and only take a antlered deer that has umpteen points or a mininum inside spread. The put downs I listed are example of what I have seen posted here sicne I joined. I thought you have been reading them. Just start one about crossbows and let somebody read about it that is thinking about hunting this fall in Ohio.

I also think it is funny how Jimmy Houston was dragged through the mud for hunting High Fence and then Nugent gets a pass mostly. If that is what they want to do . Maybe they both will join the World Hunt Association.

Chris .....do you check how many licenses are purchased over the years? On the national scene the numbers are dropping and the only people trying to get new people is the DOW it seems. Instead of us all having goals of a size of deer how about everyone of us trying to help somebody get their 1st deer.

Come down here to Morgan Co. There are not as many people hunting here as there was 5 years ago. Hunting public lands down here are better than the private lands at times.