Newarcher Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Now I personally like Michael Waddell a lot... in fact, he is my favorite personality. Clean, excitable, nice guy.....BUT.... I couldn't help but notice that he was sitting around the camp fire playing guitar and smoking a cigar in one of the Roadtrips. He also used a little semi-mild language if my ears heard right in the Antelope Roadtrips. My son loves Michael as well and I have been teaching my son (7 years old) that smoking and using foul language is not right. The first thing out of my son's mouth was "He's smoking!" and then when the language hit is was "Wooow, I heard a bad word". I never thought I would have to say this but I am going to have to pre-screen the Roadtrips before letting my son see them. Maybe I am just being overly sensitive but those are two things that I don't like seeing in what I consider a family show. No offense, RT mods, don't ban me. Just a little constructive feedback. Not sure if this is some sort of an image makeover for Michael or what. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... As a father of small children I have to agree that what your doing and trying to teach is right and is good. However next to impossible in todays society especially the way "TV" is now more relaxed with what can be said and done during prime time viewing. Are you being over sensitive? No. But its better to expose a child to some of these things in this setting then to have them learn it at school or daycare without your knowledge or guidence. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Yes you did hear him correctly, and that is the difference between the company and this web site. The web site is just run a bit more concervative like than the rest of the program. I'm sure you understand why. Ever watch an afternoon soap opera? I mean, it's almost like soft porn of the 1970's.. But the major networks say it's ok. I would much rather have Mr. Waddell say a naughty word once and a while than watch an afternoon smut program. Remember, we can't live in a bubble forever and still be a contributor to society on the whole. IMO He's cool in my book even with his use of language. He's not the only one to say things that would not be allowed here. I'm sure you have heard that. That is what makes this place so great. It's a way to get away from the "extras in society" Well, kind of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... You mean Michael is human? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Nah nah nah, now I understand that you cannot live in a bubble and I am not infallable. So don't get me wrong....I am no saint. I am not shaming Michael at all, just expressing my belief that those parts could have been omitted. They didn't add anything and my son looks up to him and wants to be like him. Its just that before, I never had to worry about anything like that showing up and having to explain it away. RT Roadtrips was the one safe thing that I didn't have to worry about....given how bad most everything else is on TV. Still love the RT Roadtrips best of all but I just gotta now be more careful with the kids around. I also have a three year old that was watching but didn't catch it all. If I had been watching it myself (I am used to all that stuff) I wouldn't probably have noticed. But my son caught both items so that answers the question there of whether it was something worth considering, given the number of kids watching. Not trying to start WWIII, just giving some feedback for the guys as I know they get much of what we say. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younameit Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Sometimes the editing gets missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntinsonovagun Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... I saw both episodes and saw the cigar, and had thoughts the same as New, but I didn't catch the "wirty dord" in the antelope hunt. I always liked being able to watch the outdoor channel with others and not be embarressed by what I'm seeing/hearing. Not something that should "slip" through editing if what New is saying is true.....what did Waddell say exactly though??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Just say somthing to someone they may not alow it next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... he was talking during the last antelope that he had taken.......he was talking about how frustrated he was. It sounds like he said a bad word; but he didn't. I tivo'd the episode and he said, "I've had it, I frustrated as you can tell I'd had enough of this antelope hunting." He didn't say a bad word, just sounded like he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... I just got done watching it on DVR, never heard a bad word. That was actually the second time I had watched it. As for smoking a cigar?? Come on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Smoking a cigar a problem.......Then don't watch tv or look at a magazine or leave your home. I think one can still teach your children that is wrong. But remember when they become get older they will do what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coles Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... i noticed the cigar too. i think i remember hearing the word but not quite sure. i know having a cigar every once in a while at huntin camp is fine but i agree with New. the dont need to show it on tv where tons of kids are watching and might pic up on the habit later on just cuz they saw some one they looked up to doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... i think i gotta agree with tom and toddyboman on this...i understand you don't want your kids to look at that and say "well he does it so it must be ok" but isn't that where the "parenting" part is supposed to come in? does it really matter if he see's it on TV or when he is riding in a car and see's someone smoking a cigar or cigarette? i don't think it matters where he see's it, he is going to be curious...and the parent has to be there to explain that it in wrong and unhealthy and that he shouldn't do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Man oh man, how can there be so many people that are so pure and narrow minded that silly little things like a cigar and a cuss word is the end of the world! Lighten up!!! After reading this, there seems there is going to be a whole lot of kids from RT forums that are going to be in for a shock when they get into the real world and away from the protection of their parents!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... When I saw the cigar, my first thought was it's great to see these guys having fun in hunting camp. My second was, that will give someone a chance to complain. I teach my kids how to act. I don't expect people on TV to be perfect saints so my kids will watch them and never have a bad habit. Michael, keep having fun and producing a fun show to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nthewild Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... i am going to have to agree ojr. you are afraid your kid is going to become something terrible if he hears a bad word or witnesses someone smoking? this is just craziness to me. not trying to come down on you, but i wouldn't expect this from a hunting forum especially. i am a young guy and lets just say that growing up, my dad wasn't exactly politically correct. i don't run around cussing all the time, but it doesn't bother me if i hear someone execute their right to free speech. also, my dad smokes and never once did he tell me that it was bad or for me not to do it. but guess what, i don't just because i chose not to. plenty of my friends smoke and people all around me do, but i have no problem with that because i am an individual. i may be coming across the wrong way, but i think that it is more important to raise your child to make his own decisions and be an individual than to simply comply with what everyone thinks is right. i think boys should be a little rough around the edges, but maybe thats just me. anywho, raise your kid how you think is appropriate, i was just offering my two cents, since you brought up the subject. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younameit Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... People pass out cigars when a baby is born....... I don't see a problem with the cigar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Noticed that too, and after the sensitivity issues and some of the posts in here over the past about "condoning" the use of tobacco products getting axed, I guess I am maybe at least kind of surprised a little that was not edited out before that aired. I mean I personally dont really have a problem with it, after all it is tv and kids will see this stuff elsewhere, you cannot completely censor what they are exposed to. I have and will conitinue to teach my kids, they know how I feel about smoking and other issues i am responsible for in their upbringing despite what they are exposed to on tv or away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Comeon guys. Do some reasearch about Clintercourse that is becoming an epidemic problem for middle schools across the country (done ON CAMPUS). Clinton does what he does and declares it not to be what it was and then it sweeps the nation....suddenly and like a fire. Look at the girls at the mall with their Christia Aguillera way too short micro skirts made of frayed at the bottom denim. Look at the whales tales and the tramp stamps that young teens are displaying. Did they just dream up acting like this and defacing their bodies forever? Nope, came from hollywood and the shows they watch. I am not comdemning Michael for being human....not at all. I am just saying that the things I mentioned were unnecessary for the show and definitely marked a turning point in the show. It used to be as G rated as they come. I am almost certain that I heard the word I mentioned, although it was was hard to distinguish. I tivo'd it too. Unless I am hearing things, it was there....albeit mild. No, OJR, I am not pure and narrow minded. I believe certain things and try to live by them in both word and actions. Keep your insults to yourself from now on or don't respond. Heck, I guess you guys are right and I am wrong. There is cussing, drinking, prostitution, violence, and drugs in the world and I can't protect him from it forever. So I think I will just ship my son off to Nevada to live in one of their cat houses. That will be best for him. If my son was 13, I wouldn't need to address it. However, he is 7 and is still putting together his code of morals, ethics, and behaviors. I am in the process of raising a MAN here....not a male. Along with that comes a belief system that I either have to live with and adhere to or it is nothing more than just words coming out of my mouth. Telling your son not to be a wife beater while beating his mother is a useless lesson. The same goes for telling my son that smoking and cursing are bad for him and then idolizing a show that puts it out there as a proxy endorsement. I find it dismaying that in today's world you are called 'pure and narrow minded' because you object to foul language and smoking as an example for your 7 year old child. That's a sad commentary on what our world is coming to. [edited..came to my senses...like I could really stop watching Roadtrips . I will just have to pre-watch if the son wants to see the episodes]. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Gotta say new, the exposures are out there whether you like it or not, and they are not all coming from hollywood. As for the Clinton thing you mention without using language or words to come right on and say it, think that was and is popular among SOME high school girls being nothing more than a way to do something without doing something else if that makes any sense. My wife graduaated in 1992 and she was exposed to that type of thing then on band trips, so it is not like that is really something new. Have heard that has become a somewhat popular almost common practice on school buses in this day and age though while buses are enroute to and from schools. I had raised a post a few months back about whether or not people in here would let their kids ride a bus. My girls will not ride a school bus for this and other reasons. All that said, I know in the back of my mind all I can do is the best that I can to prepare my kids for what they are going to be exposed to and try and give them what they need to stay on the right track. If seeing someone smoking on tv will make my kids a smoker with as much as I have driven it into them how against smoking I am, then I have failed miserably in my attempts at reaching my kids somewhere along the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... We as parents have to discipline our kids and tell them what is right or wrong. I want them to watch good shows and if I see something inappropriate I will point it out, however I will not ban something like Realtree shows in my household, you start banning hunting shows all that does is give fuel to the anti's. Parents need to be more of a role model and quit trying to make TV celebrities be their kids role models. People we see on TV have lives too and we can't cast stones at them on how they live their lifestyle on screen or offscreen. Parents need to step up and show right from wrong and in a way, showing someone cursing and smoking just gives you ammo to tell your kids that that kind of behavior is not what you want them to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Ah well, I guess I just see things a little differently. For those who doubt the power of celebrities to persuade, why do you think Hoyt pays Michael to advertise for them. Regardless, I gotta get to gettin. Nothing to write the President about, I was just surprised by seeing and hearing it is all. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Realtree Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... Michael is out of town today. I forwarded this to him (his Blackberry) and he said he would come in and respond when he gets back. Thanks, S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... New im going to step up and take your side to a degree. It sure seems a lot of people were on the "Ban Tabacco in the forums!" bandwagon but when its aired its a different story. Personally if my child saw something like that It wouldnt bother me (granted she is much to small to understand to any degree right now). Even when she is old enough she will realize that Mommy and Daddy dont smoke/ cuss and hopefully that example will be stronger then the things of this world. I have no problems with people keeping their children from influences. If that what you wish to do, congratulations and good luck. You have every right to do so and should be commended. How many parents dont even know where their kids are 90% of the time right now. The fact that you filter everything for them is admirable, not closed minded. Yes they will have to face the world someday but there will be no doubt what Daddy stands for. That will always play in the back of their mind. Dont doubt yourself for a second. If you stay consistant in your beliefs your son will come to you when he is in need because he has learned from your consistancy. In reality the Cigar isnt a big deal. I think the biggest contrast is from the forums to TV. We have a remote church like manner in here that was and is set forward by the members, such as the blowup on Tabacco. I honestly dont remember Scott comming in on that one (although there was probably some behind the scene convo...). The fact is the Church like setting here is a direct reflection of the effort put forward by mods and members. What Realtree puts in front of the camera can and is possibly on a different level. No its not vulgar, it is still a family show, but its not necessarly as filtered as the forums.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Re: Mr. Waddell, I gotta say.... "Train up a child in the way they should go...and when they are old they will not depart from it" A quote taken from the Bible. I agree with what has been said about it being next to impossible in todays society to keep them from all that is bad. Why would you want to? Well of course out of love and concern for their well being. IMHO...to teach them what Not to do...they will have to be able to recognize what it is you dont want in their lives and even more importantly...Why! They will make their own choices one way or another! Dealing with the consequences of life's many choices will be the best guidance you can give them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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