Guest Andrea Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Just wondering what you guys think about what's going on over there? You think we will get involved eventually? This terrorist group called Hezbollah was quoted as saying " If America wants WWIII, we welcome it ". All this crap with Iraq, Iran, Korea and now Israel makes me think that WWIII is not something to laugh at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah I look back on history a bit and Israel didn't exist until 1949. All that "country" was taken from different groups of Arabs! Prior to the fighting for the state of Israel, the Arabs were fairly peaceful among themselves in that region! It sure is not that way today! Should Israel be a country when all it is is a religious sect? We are paying a very heavy price to keep Israel intact and it is going to get worse! The other problem is that the Arab countries have so many different religious sects and they will fight among themselves! The whole Middle East is nothing but one big religious battle and the worst part is that is where the oil is! We need the oil or this country would shut down! Where we do we draw the line and what religious faction are we going to support? Whatever one it is, there is going to be he!! to pay!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Wondered how long it would be before this topic came up. Think it is a shame that our legislators are so small minded that they cannot pull together right now, but are instead bickering about a bill that they passed in 2003 to charge those who knowingly went into a place where they could potentially be in harms way. What is really sad is that some of those very same lawmakers who voted for that are now blasting the current administration for not getting our people out of there or for charging them instead of the taxpayers for their evacuations. Go figure, instead of supporting this country once again, they are tearing apart our leadership at the opportunity to make political gains. Not really sure what our country can do to stabilize the hatred there, we have so many other fires burning now and are spread so thin already, I just dont think we need to get deeply involved. We cannot make these people love each other, no matter what we do, it just isnt gong to work. Really honestly I think we might be best off to take a step back and see what happens, let the rest of the world make their decisions and act on them and fix this problem, after all America has been the saviours of these other unappreciative countries plenty of times it is someone elses turn. Better yet, let the UN figure it out, that is what they are supposed to do anyways right? Maybe Kofi needs to for once in his life grow some and get off his duff and come up with a real resolution to a problem and actually follow through with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Lots of hatred over there, lots of it and the sad thing is the kids are raised into it. We are often the bad guys in their eyes too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] I look back on history a bit and Israel didn't exist until 1949. All that "country" was taken from different groups of Arabs! [/ QUOTE ] That's not exactly accurate. Beginning around 1200 BC, there were a series of Jewish kingdoms and states that lasted for over 1000 years. The Jews, or Israelites, were then conquered by several neighboring kingdoms and eventually ended up under Roman rule. The failed Bar Kochba Revolt against the Roman Empire resulted in the large-scale expulsion of Jews. It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Muslims conquered the land from the Byzantine Empire in 638 AD. The area was ruled by various Muslim states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, Jews from across Europe and the Middle East began migrating into the region and buying land. There was a failed effort in 1947 by the newly formed United Nations to divide Israel into two sections, one Jewish and the other Muslim, with Jeruselum remaining as an international city. The British, who had a Protectorate in the region, decided to withdraw, and the day before the protectorate was to expire, the State of Israel declared it's independence and was given formal recoginition by the U.N. As to whether or not we should be supporting Israel, I think we should. It is the only democracy in the region, other than the fledgling efforts that are beginning to take shape in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah I agree that it has been a problem forever in that region. I was just going back to when Israel was recognized as a state. The problem is still with religion in the area and it will be that way until who knows when! Yes, Israel is a democracy, but that is all you can say about the whole thing! It is a sorry state of affairs in the whole region. I was stationed in Libya and saw first hand what that was like! Horrible is the least I can say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] America has been the saviours of these other unappreciative countries plenty of times it is someone elses turn [/ QUOTE ] when?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah The bible says that any nation that is against Israel will be cursed by God and any Nation that blesses Israel, will also be blessed by God. If the USA were to turn their back on Irael, they will have to answer to God. I don't think I'd want to see that. Here's a bit of good reading http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Walid/15alliance.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest INHunterman Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Thanks buckee that read was eye opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Just another front on the war on terror and they deserve all the support we can give them. All the land concessions Isreal made in recent past was supposed to have brought an end to this crap. Exactly what became of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Nice one Buckee. There are too many biblical prophacies about Isreal not to give them some stock even if you aren't a beliver. To take our support from Isreal would be suicide IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Have been hearing indications of the beginning of the end since I was a kid in school. I guess I am not really saying we should turn our backs here Steve, we should offer and when Israel asks us for help we should help, but dont think we should commit without their leadership asking us to get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafWiper Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah The war with Israel is without a doubt a sign that Jesus is on his way. Those who believe in Christ get ready, I believe in my heart it won't be long before we are all taken to heaven. Prophecy is comming true. For those who have not yet accepted Christ, I ask that you reconsider your faith. God is very close to giving Gabriel the O.K. to sound his trumpet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] I look back on history a bit and Israel didn't exist until 1949. All that "country" was taken from different groups of Arabs! Prior to the fighting for the state of Israel, the Arabs were fairly peaceful among themselves in that region! It sure is not that way today! Should Israel be a country when all it is is a religious sect? We are paying a very heavy price to keep Israel intact and it is going to get worse! The other problem is that the Arab countries have so many different religious sects and they will fight among themselves! The whole Middle East is nothing but one big religious battle and the worst part is that is where the oil is! We need the oil or this country would shut down! Where we do we draw the line and what religious faction are we going to support? Whatever one it is, there is going to be he!! to pay!! [/ QUOTE ] It was originally a country prior to the relocation of the Israelites by the Medes, Persians and Babylonians. They dissobeyed God and worshiped the Baals and Ashira poles and other such gods of the other peoples. They have merely been returned to their home land. If you read the Bible and believe it as the undisputed Word of God, you would know all this by heart. Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] It was originally a country prior to the relocation of the Israelites by the Medes, Persians and Babylonians. They dissobeyed God and worshiped the Baals and Ashira poles and other such gods of the other peoples. They have merely been returned to their home land. If you read the Bible and believe it as the undisputed Word of God, you would know all this by heart. Dakota [/ QUOTE ] Here is what I believe! The bible is not the "undisputed word of God"! All it is is a history book that has be translated to fit the needs of several different religious sects! They change it to their own accord! What I also believe is that man is really no better than the rest of the animals on the face of the earth. We, man, are supposed to be so smart and intelligent and are really messing things up big time! If we, man, were so smart, then we would never have wars and there would be peace! This is why we are nothing but animals who happen to be at the top of the food chain! We, man, are the worst predators and really will only look out for ourselves! This is self-preservation! If you look back at history, there has always been one or two super powers on the face of the earth. These super powers have been in all locations on the earth and then suddenly one super power just falls apart and another takes over! This could happen to this country very easily! After this country falls, where would the next super power be? Who knows at this time, but we must start looking at this whole situation with a different outlook than the way it is being looked at right now! We must quit hiding behind this nonsense that this is not a "religious" war because it is! It is the beginning of one religion trying to take over all the rest and that is what is the scariest of the whole thing because people are looking at it as just being a certain sect within a religion and it is NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe in the Bible as Gods word as well as a very good documentation of the history of mankind from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe in the Bible as Gods word as well as a very good documentation of the history of mankind from the beginning. [/ QUOTE ] Amen! I'm right there w/ you, Steve. Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13littleones Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah NO Doubt about it.........This is worldwar 3 No uniform souldiers...... This one is going to take some time..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah this war will end when muslim families love their children more than they hate their enemies. simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] NO Doubt about it.........This is worldwar 3 No uniform souldiers...... This one is going to take some time..... [/ QUOTE ] It can't be WWIII yet, France hasn't surrendered yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah The bible is a history book in which many of the original manuscripts are still availible in thier original form and text. While there are different enterpritations, the historical information can be varified through other means outside of religious text. All religious aside, the jews were the earliest recorded and varifiable group to settle the land of Isreal. Isreal if you aren't aware is the name of the second son of Issac after it was changed from Jacob. Jacob was one of the fathers of the Jewish people. His half brother Esau was given the land outside of Isreal. This was in all likelyhood the lands of Jordan, Iraq, Iran and Soudi Arabia. To call the land "Isreal" is to conceed that it is the land of the Jews. This is a religious war no doubt. Untill the world sees that and stands behind Isreal it will never end. Strike that last sentence. It will end right after the abomination of dessolation. (look it up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah I see what Israel is doing, is no difference from what we are doing! We were attacked, so we attacked! They were attacked, now they are attacking! The radical muslims wants just one thing! ALL OF US DEAD!!! I say to Israel, go in there and give them H*LL!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterfisherman Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah These terrorist don't just want to beat Isreal, they want to wipe them of the face of the earth. Isreal is a good friend and they have a right to defend themselves. You allways stand next to a good friend in a time of need. We need to stand next to Isreal. I don't want to see innocent people hurt but the other side doesn't seem to care about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] I don't want to see innocent people hurt but the other side doesn't seem to care about that. [/ QUOTE ] I hate to sterotype people here, but lets look at the Muslem poeple as a whole (when they are at war) They have proven that they do not value any human life, even their own. When they don't get their way their solution is to kill as many people as they can. When they figured out in Iraq that they couldn't keep up with the Amarican fighting forces they started killing each other. They bomb thier own churches, schools, buisness and this week a soccer game. They are a reprehensable culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Re: Israel and Hezbollah [ QUOTE ] I see what Israel is doing, is no difference from what we are doing! We were attacked, so we attacked! They were attacked, now they are attacking! The radical muslims wants just one thing! ALL OF US DEAD!!! I say to Israel, go in there and give them H*LL!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Yep, have to agree with John(LifeNRA) here. Nothing wrong with Israel defending themself, like I said before, we need to stay out of it unless asked to help. The extremist radical muslims have declared a holy war on pretty well everyone that does not agree with them INCLUDING other muslims, so bombing and murdering their own innocent people is nothing to them if they are not willing to cooperate with them. They are radicals and in my honest opinion are all NUTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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