Why Arent We Making Our Own Oil?

[Jeramie]

I remember a few years back, watching a program where a guy took anything Carbon based and created Crude oil out of it. It looked like and old Whiskey steel. He said he could recreate the earths pressure and heat in hours, thus turning everything into oil and potable water in hours.

In his theory they could setup a plant at the end of a landfill and totally eleviate the landfill by turning it into water and oil. An article I read was from an environmentalist from Ny. He doubted the claims of Mr. Apple he made the trek to see the machine in action for himself. He was very impressed and quickly returned to write and article praising Mr. Apple.

Apple went on search of a place to build his factory. He eventually got enough state support from MO to build the plant in Carthidge Mo. He had struck a deal with Tyson Turkey farms to turn left overs (meaning dung, heads, legs, etc) into the two states products.

The idea is basically brilliant and this guy has convinced thousands that it can be done, to the tune of even having a plant sitting dormant in Mo as we speak. From what ive read millions were spent for the setup, pics are all over the net of the plant, and it was hailed as a huge breakthrough stating he could make barrels of oil for somewhere in the neighborhood of $10-$15 (somewhere in there). Thats a far cry from the level reaching well over $70 we are currently paying.

With such a benificial idea why in the love of Pete arent we utilizing it? He has already proven himself to Thousands including the state of Mo (Which coughed up millions) and an environmentalist. I cant help but wonder if the idea wasnt shelved and Mr. Apple was paid or told to keep his mouth shut.

Imagine, including inflation, if were were paying say $25 a barrel. By simple math (1/3 of the $75 we're paying) we would be paying $.95 a gallon and removing the billions of tons of waste and have and continue to generate on a daily basis.....

Prove it to yourself. Read this one article from 2003 then do a search. There are countless articles out there on the subject and youll be hard pressed to find one calling he made a false claim. Infact I didnt find a single on debunking his invention. Infact, im pretty sure a state would look hard into something like this before they lay a stack of cash on the table to what seems an unrealistic claim!

http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm

[hutchies]

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Jeramie, I was waiting for the joke part of it. However you know dang well why they aren't using it. Where did the Bush family make all their money boys and girls? Thats right...............OIL.

[Guest wmramse]

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Here's the scoop on the carthage plant...

According to a recent article by Fortune Magazine, the Carthage plant is currently producing about 400 barrels per day of crude oil. This oil is being refined as No. 2 (a standard grade oil which is used for diesel and residential heating oil) and No. 4 (a lower grade oil used in industrial heating).

Reports in 2004 claimed that the facility was selling products at 10% below the price of equivalent oil, but its production costs were low enough that the plant produced a profit. At the time it was paying for turkey waste. The plant has consumed 270 tons of turkey offal (the full output of the turkey processing plant) and 20 tons of egg production waste daily. In April 2005 the plant was reported to be running at a loss.

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Price and design changes

Reports from 2005 summarized some economic setbacks which the Carthage plant encountered since its planning stages. It was thought that concern over mad cow disease would prevent the use of turkey waste and other animal products as cattle feed, and thus this waste would be free. As it turns out, turkey waste may still be used as feed in the United States, so that the facility must purchase that feed stock at a cost of $30 to $40 per ton, adding $15 to $20 per barrel to the cost of the oil. Final cost, as of January 2005, was $80/barrel ($1.90/gal).

The above cost of production also excludes the operating cost of the thermal oxidizer and scrubber added in May 2005 in response to odor complaints (see below).

A biofuel tax credit of roughly $1 per US gallon (26 ¢/L) on production costs was not available because the oil produced did not meet the definition of "biodiesel" according to the relevant American tax legislation. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 specifically added thermal depolymerization to a $1 renewable diesel credit, which became effective at the end of 2005.

Here's the Wikipedia link if ya'll care to read it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

[BowtechTurkeyHunter]

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Great post for the political room!!!

Steve

[stevebeilgard]

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yep. the political room. fact is, we can make lots of oil, from all over the u.s. china, along with cuba, is starting to drill a rig 35 miles off the coast of FLORIDA. so, thank your local environmantalist for the high gas prices, the fact that we can't drill in most places, and the $3.50 per gallon gas prices.

[whitetailkiller]

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bunny and tree huggers are stopping us from drilling where we need to!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rifleman25]

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We can blame the bleeding heart liberal democrats for alot of things, but even I have to say that tey are not effecting this one. On the rigzone website they are recruiting workers to be stationed on both land rigs and off shore in Alaska. There are also becoming quite a few offshore platforms off the coast of california. I believe the last time I heard Georgia was the only state with out an oil well. I worked as a mudhand for a few years right out of high school and just cant imagine the way the operationg expences have changed in a oil field. I worked for baker and Hughes and or daily expences were like a million and a half a day back in the mid 90's. I bet that has almost doubled now days. All we can do is support all the drilling operations we can and conserve as much fuel as we can and hope for the best.

[BowJoe]

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I knew the politics would make a mess of something good.

[wtnhunt]

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Interesting, too bad they are unable to produce on free wastes.

[johnf]

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This may sound a little distastefull, but is excrement not a carbon based material? If so, couldn't they use the sludge left over from waste water plants?

[Guest Andrea]

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I just saw on a news show the other day ( can't remember which one) about oil in Colorado. Apparently there's more oil there than in Saudi. I forget the name of the town, but it's about 200 miles west of Denver. (?) And it's on FEDERAL land.

And of course, all those tree huggers are in opposition. But I think that it doesn't really matter since it's on gov't land.

I will keep looking for that link to the story.

[Strut10]

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Jeramie, I was waiting for the joke part of it. However you know dang well why they aren't using it. Where did the Bush family make all their money boys and girls? Thats right...............OIL.

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Oh, brother!!!!!!!!!

Can we find a way to throw Dick Cheney and Halliburton under this train, too???

[shockwave]

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I was watching a program on this subject the other night, they say, we used 9.2 million or billion, i cant remember the exact figures, gallons of oil in 2005, and were projected to use roughly the same this year, wasn`t gas cheaper last year ?? sounds to me that the " Big Oil " companies are trying to see how much were willing to pay..

[Guest Mcmullin]

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You want to know somthing funny.

My family owns some oil leases which make us some pretty good money now that oil prices are high. But on the other side of things we are paying high prices for fuel.

So when it comes down to it we really dont win either way

[Guest fishermanwhohunts]

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You want to know somthing funny.

My family owns some oil leases which make us some pretty good money now that oil prices are high. But on the other side of things we are paying high prices for fuel.

So when it comes down to it we really dont win either way

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You have to sell crude oil to oil companies. Crude oil is useless outside of a refinery. Since you sell to oil companies and are not part of the companies, you don't get the profit discounted from the gas you buy. I think you are only selling at high prices to save your selves from the high price of oil.

Now think of this. Your carbon arrows are not made of graphite. They are made using oil.

[kuntryboy]

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bunny and tree huggers are stopping us from drilling where we need to!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This it part of it , but the lack of refining capeability is what is holding the US from being self supporting !!!!!!

[stevebeilgard]

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and why haven't we built a new refinery in over 30 years? why did our refineries go from over 30 to 2 today? ask your friendly environmantalist

[rifleman25]

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There have to be more than two refinerys in use. As I am now working as a mud engineer again I have been going offshore some. Lake Charles La has one in operation, so does Texas cCty Tx. Port Arthur Tx has another one. There are three that I have seen in operation with in the last 6 weeks.

[VermontHunter]

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WHY ???

Easy, our government is trying to drive us into yet another civil war.... Mark my words before this is all said and done the working man and woman is going to finally snap and say enough is enough,,,, and say NO MORE !!

And from that point on the HILL in Washington D.C. won't ever be the same again...

[rifleman25]

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We don't need to make our own oil. Right now the company I am working for is reopening older oil wells in the gulf. These wells ran dry and now are full again. I have seen the charts on them. They were producing nearly 100 barrels a day each in the 70's and slowed down to less than 20. We now have many of the same wells open and producing around 100 barrels again. Just think a minuite though about the operating costs. Our platform takes 2.84 million dollard EVERY DAY to operate. Now think there are like 240 offshore rigs out there not to mention the thousands of landrigs in use and this is just in the U.S. My company is hiring and offering huge bonuses for Kazahkstan, Oman, Quatar, Africa, Saudi Arabia. U.K, Australia and a host of other countrys. Offshore drilling is really taking off on the east coast of Canada and there are more and more landrigs showing up in Alberta every day. Production is not the problem. Refining the crude into all the millions of chemicals it is made into is what is so expencive. We need More refinery's and we need to have the U.S Government limit our oil trade with the Asians.