struttinhoyt Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 I have a New England .223 with a Simmons 8 point 3-9X40 its a pretty sweet shooting little gun at about 100 yds i know but i was wondring the outer limits to it......what has been yalls longest shots with the 223 i was wondring if it was capable of shooting around 300 yds or so......... and at that is it still gonna have the penatration and momentom to kill a deer at those distances......... this isnt my main deer gun but hey I thought what the heck if itll shoot accurate at that far id like to shoot that and take advantage of the cheaper shells other than my 270 not that I dont like the nock down power of the 270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 I am not an expert, but i don't think it is a great choice for deer at any range. I think that more knock down power is necessary to ensure clean consistant kills. Not that it wont kill a deer, but i personally do not think there is much margin for error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 true dat but I figured it would be nice to be able to shoot a deer at about 350 400 yds......... but ne ways how accurate can most get what kinda range...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 accuracy would depend on the shooter...me at 400 i don't even want to guess. As far as wha tkind of group th .223 is capable of at that range i suspect AJ will be able to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil hunter Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 the 223 can shoot perty darn far for coyotes and such. But for deer, I don't think it's a very good gun. i don't have any experience with rifles, but this is what I have heard from most people who do have experience with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 I don't think the .223 is a very good choice for deer at the ranges you suggest. My tables show that if your 270 is zeroed at 150 yds. and a .223 at the same, the 223 only has 443 fpe. at 300 yds., 295 at 400, and 197 at 500 yds.. The 270,however has 1527 fpe. at 300 yds.,1226 at 400, and 974 at 500 yds.. The drop would be -6.0" at 250 yds., -11.8" at 300 yds.with the .223 and with the 270 the drop is a little less. 270 drop would be -5.3 at 250 yds. and -10.0" at 300 yds.. This table is using 24" barrel length on both rifles, and 55 Grn. pointed soft point for the .223 and 130 grn. pointed soft point Core-Lokt in the 270. I'd use the .223 for varmints, where loosing the animal wouldn't matter much, but definitely not for deer. This is just my opinion and you may get many others which conflict with mine. Hope this info. helps. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 I know they are rateing the 223 WSSM for deer. So maybe if you handload a 223 you could make a deer round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 If you want to shoot deer over 100 yards, stick with the .270 Winchester. The .223 Rem will do the job with the proper setup. Its not a long range deer gun. The best bullets for deer sized game are the 60 gr Nosler Partition. Since the NEF has a 1 in 12" twist, it can not shoot heavier bullets that are needed for deer. The .223 Rem is a varmint gun. It works well on varmints/predators to 500 yards. I know, I have shot them that far with mine. If you want to shoot bigger crittes, use a proper gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 aight so were should i zero the 223 in at.........150 or so???? if i did that wat should my range be????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 I had a student (who was a very good shot) who shot a 10pt a few years back at 300yard with a ruger mini 14 .223. She said that it took only 1 shot. This is a girl who reloads herself and practices shooting acorns off trees at 200 yards. If your not that good with it I wouldn't shoot more than 150 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 Sometimes I ask myself why did I bother looking up the .223 and 270 on my table and posting the results? struttinhoyt, I can write readin', can't you read writin'? .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 i was wondering the same thing. According to those munbers you would have to be an idiot to use the .223 as a long range deer gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 [ QUOTE ] aight so were should i zero the 223 in at.........150 or so???? if i did that wat should my range be????? [/ QUOTE ] I will play your silly game, what should your range be? Whats your setup? Whats your load? What is your target (deer or small game)? More info needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strubedog Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 In WI it is illegal to use that small a caliber on deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 [ QUOTE ] ...practices shooting acorns off trees at 200 yards. [/ QUOTE ] With a Mini 14?!? She has a very rare one to be able to shoot acorns at 200 yards then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 I saw her do it. I didn't believe she could and her dad invited me out to their place to see it. It was impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 I had said that i was going to use it for varmits....i think i said that but ne ways thats what i was gonna use it for........ its a NEF 223,a simmons 8 point 3-9X40 scope and im thinking of either shooting some balistic tip silvertip winchesters 55 grain........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 Actually, you never mentioned varmints until your last post. Anyhoo, here are the ballistics for that load. Winhester .223 Rem Ballistic Silvertip 55 grain Personally I prefer the 50 grain bullets in most of my .223 Rem varmint shooting. If I am shooting a fast twist barrel like in my AR15, I shoot the 70 gr Berger bullets for long range usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 The .223 is not a deer cartridge. Would never use it. Stick with the .270.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 [ QUOTE ] This is a girl who reloads herself and practices shooting acorns off trees at 200 yards. [/ QUOTE ] That, I would love to see..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted December 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 that anit nuthin i shot the head off a seed tick at 150 yds one time............lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblueraptor Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 my girlfriend has a 223 to deer hunt with it is also a nef she only weighs 103lbs so much more and she will fall out of the tree her first deer dropped in its tracks at about 60 yds but her second was never recovered and the shot was less than 100yds im trying to get her to upgrade to a 243 223 are for 10year olds shooting their first deer stick to gophers and groundhogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 [ QUOTE ] 223 are for 10year olds shooting their first deer [/ QUOTE ] Wrong! Its for an expert, patient, and knowledgable hunter that has enough self control to pass on a shot that is not exactly perfect. Its not an entry level gun. If the kid can't handle recoil of a proper big game gun, stick with small game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thundar7 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 i wouldnt recommend a 223 for deer hunting **** i took deer 300+ yards with my 270 thats all i ever needed i would have to say u want light recoil gun go with the 7mm.08 those i heard are a real nice gun my dad loves his Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
struttinhoyt Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: capabilitys of a .223 the recoil anit nothing.........ill shoot the 270 all day long i just was wondring how accurate they can get so i could varmit hunting and stuff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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