Gator Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 I need some help from you all this season. As some of you know, especially you Okies, Oklahoma has a law concerning BH length. I want to change that, but need some type of PROOF of how good these heads are, and I am talking the smaller heads like Wac'em, Muzzy MX-4, Slick Trick, G5 Striker, just to name a few. For those of you that use these heads, would it be possible for you to take a couple of pics of entry and exit holes, and a brief story like distance, draw weight, distance to recovery, and blood trail, and email that to me? If ya'll would do this, it would be MUCH APPRECIATED by me, and MANY of my fellow bowhunters here in the Sooner State. PM me if you have that info, and I will send you an email address to send the pics to. I THINK if I can get this type of testimonial, I MAY have a chance at changing the mind of the ODWC, and the state bow council, at least I HOPE to accomplish this. Thanks to all in advance, and would a MOD be so kind as to pin this till Jan-Feb? Also, let's not just use deer as an example, I think bear and hogs would make excellent "test"aterial for this. think weight of the animal would also be good to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... I'll take plenty of Rocket Ultimate Steel pics for you guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Could you please list the legal parameters for these heads?? Might be easier than you having to name them all. But, while I'm here......what about the G5 Montec?? Legal or no??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grubbworm Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... legal means of taking Broadheads hunting type points not less than 7/8 inches wide and not less than 1 1/2 inches long and thats out of the new 2006-2007 oklahoma hunting guide so i assume since my ultimate steel broadheads are illigeal they have a 1" cutt but are not 1/1/2 inches long what diference does it make how long they are??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Strut10, 1.5" long, anything LESS than that are illegal. If anyone has a question on the head they are using, they can PM me, and I will let them no YAY or NAY. Guys/Gals, I really appreciate ya'll doing this for me, and I am sure the other okies will to!! As for the G5 Montec, it is BORDERLINE, but as I understand from maddhunter, it is illegal...... Grubbworm, That is what we need to ask the state, and PROVE that it ain't the length that kills......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... the Muzzy 75s i just measured from tip to where it contacts the shaft is exactly 1 1/2 inches long. a Muzzy 100 is a 1 5/8s.. were you talking about the new MX4s Jason? Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODH Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... [ QUOTE ] the Muzzy 75s i just measured from tip to where it contacts the shaft is exactly 1 1/2 inches long. a Muzzy 100 is a 1 5/8s.. were you talking about the new MX4s Jason? Shoot Strong Tony [/ QUOTE ]He was talking bout the new MX4s I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Tony. yep, the New MX-4 So as to not cause ALOT of confusion, here are some of the more popular heads that don't pass muster here in Oklahoma NAP Nitron, Crossfire 85gr Thunderhead, G5 Striker, 85gr Montec and Tekan, Muzzy MX-4, Slicktrick, Wac'em, TightPoint T Lock Shuttle, Rocky Ti 100. I am sure there are a few more, but I think these are some of the more well known heads out there. I will also say, that MANY of the brands listed, I have contacted their manufacturers, and have gotten responses from, "well, the GW wouldn't have a case against you because of the way the law was written", some have not even responded, and a couple have helped. The sad part here, MAGNUS' R&D Guy and Tech Support guy have helped me WAY more than anyone else, and they DO NOT have a head that is an issue. And I will not comment on NAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Also, let me know about any bad experiences. I need to dictate the bad along with the good. Also, if anyone is using the MAGNUS SNUFFER SS, tell me how it performed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grubbworm Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... I live Here In Ardmore,Oklahoma and down at the archery shop where I just bought my new xt he sugested I use aerohead ultimate steel broadheads 75 grain as we all know these have a 1" cutting dia. but are questionable on the 1 1/2 in length he assures me that these are legal in oklahoma he says he talked to the game warden here and that the measurements are with the broadhead not installed on the arrow measure from tip of threads to tip of broadhead if so these are just legal. what do you all think??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... i'l try to help you out here also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach1 Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... I've never heard of a length restriction. According to the 2005-06 Illinois Hunting Rules & Regs (can't find my 06-07 copy) "broadheads may have fixed or expandable blades, but they must have a minimum 7/8 inch diameter when fully opened." I can't find anything about the length of the broadhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... [ QUOTE ] I live Here In Ardmore,Oklahoma and down at the archery shop where I just bought my new xt he sugested I use aerohead ultimate steel broadheads 75 grain as we all know these have a 1" cutting dia. but are questionable on the 1 1/2 in length he assures me that these are legal in oklahoma he says he talked to the game warden here and that the measurements are with the broadhead not installed on the arrow measure from tip of threads to tip of broadhead if so these are just legal. what do you all think??? [/ QUOTE ] grubb, that is a NEGATIVE on the measurement. I have talked to two GW's, they said from tip to shoulder, where the insert butts to the head. I got a PM from another Okie that had emailed the ODWC, the reply back was from "tip to END of the cutting edge"........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grubbworm Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... well crap!! im shooting a carbon express terminator light 4560 27" and a 75 grain field tip and was shooting them becuase the areohead ultimate steel flys just like the field point what do you all suggest I shoot as a broadhead that will be legal?? any help is appreciated :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Wow Jason. That's wierd. Here in NY, our broadheads have to have atleast a 7/8" cutting diameter. The only other restriction is that the blades cannot form an angle over 90 degrees, because they are then considered barbed. I shoot Slick Trick's and love 'em!! I have only killed a groundhog with them so far, but I have pics of it. If you want I can send you the pics. The groundhog was eviscerated with the shot, but it shows the kind of damage a Slick Trick does. Also, I'm gonna be away til Sunday night, going upstate to the cabin to work on it.. Hunting season is 12 days away! Shoot me a PM if you want to see the pics. I'll get back to you Sunday night.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterfisherman Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... I use 100gr Wac'ems and would be happy to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... I have to agree with these guys,I don't understand the delima of the shortness? A cutting diamter is a cutting diameter, it doesn't matter how long the ferral is, Take a look at the guillatine's, those ferrals can't be more that 1/2 or 5/8" long but have a 4" cutting diamter. I know they are for turkeys but dang the ferral don't kill the birds, it's the cutting diamter. I'll try and help you out also if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... You should here the one member of the State Bow council talk, he is worried about penetration due to the blade angle. It is abvious he hasn't looked at many mechanicals lately!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grubbworm Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... k well I called the ODWC today they say measurement is from tip to bottom of the cutting blade so yes that is going to make most broadheads illeagle so I called the game warden for which county I hunt in he said ....quote "There has not been any fines issued for this and as long as I had the 7/8th's cutting diameter not to worry about it good luck and have fun" he siad the only issue he would have is if someone was hunting with fieldtips which I can understand. if they want 1 and 1/2 inch long cutting blades we may as well start carrying spears to the woods :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... When I kill my elk this year I will take some pics and send 'em to you!!!!! --rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tc2506 Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... thats about the same reply i got from our local GW, he said in 17yrs as a game warden he has never even checked the length or CD of a broadhead, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDubWSR Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Well Gator i know this is supposed to be for the non oklahoma guys but i thought you might want to have this anyway. This is the entry wound on the doe i shot oct. 3rd with and illegal in oklahoma 85 grain slick trick. Her leg was slightly back so you can see where it cut all the muscle in her leg on the way in and the big hole it made in her ribcage. The farthest back wound is the second shot i put on her b/c i didnt feel she was dieing fast enough and she had only gone 30 yards and i could still see her struggling a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Good Granny................How the heck did it cut it like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDubWSR Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Re: Non Oklahoma Bowhunters..... Her shoulder was actually over the top of the whole in the ribcage. I just pulled it forward for the picture so you could see what it did to the shoulder and the ribcage. And then the third whole is from the second shot i put on her. I also think she might have torn her shoulder more running, but not sure b/c i know i did massive damage to the front shoulder when i shot her b/c her leg colapsed on her and she actually fell down on impact and kept falling for the short 30 yards she went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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