ACLU will be all over this

[Guest Andrea]

Hmmmmmmmm..........they said they were just selling cell phones...........but were arrested for terrorist "plotting".

Here's the story:

Texas arrest

[buckee]

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They'll be given the chance to prove their story in court.

[wtnhunt]

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Yeah, sounds like something is being left out of this story. Wonder about the money laundering charge too.

[Michiganbowhunter_SQ2]

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yup...i just read about this in our local newspaper....we cross the mackinac bridge on our way to deer camp in the U.P.....doesn't help the fact that i am scared of hieghts and have a fear of bridges

[horst]

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not sure what the mad face was all about.Arent people in this country supposed to be tried before being found guilty?Im not defending these guys but we have a system for a reason, and these days people seem awfully quick to jump on the terrorism bandwagon where middle easterners are concerned.If they were using them for terrorist activities i hope theyre punished to the fullest extent of the law, but if these charges were wrong I hope they are exonerated or charged with something more fitting without a bunch of racial crap taking place.

[buckee]

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well said Horst.

this is the mad face though

This is the crazy face

[Bruce Schmeck]

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well said Horst.

this is the mad face though

This is the crazy face

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Can't mad and crazy be used synonymously?

[horst]

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Can't mad and crazy be used synonymously?

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HMM, bruce might be schizo

[wtnhunt]

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Caught a bit more of this on the news last night, and not to be judemental or prejudging, but sounds like these guys had bad intentions. Think they will get their opportunity to explain, just hope the aclu does not turn this into a terrorist loving circus.

[Guest Andrea]

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not sure what the mad face was all about.Arent people in this country supposed to be tried before being found guilty?Im not defending these guys but we have a system for a reason, and these days people seem awfully quick to jump on the terrorism bandwagon where middle easterners are concerned.If they were using them for terrorist activities i hope theyre punished to the fullest extent of the law, but if these charges were wrong I hope they are exonerated or charged with something more fitting without a bunch of racial crap taking place.

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I am sure that the prosecutors have more knowledge of the evidence than the rest of us. If they were only selling these phones to make money.......fine. But obviously there was something there pointing to the bridge in Michigan or else the authorities wouldn't have arrested them.

[muggs]

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horst, I get your point. But there seems to be enough evidence in this case where saying this was a terror plot isn't the worst thing.

besides, I'm sick of our overly PC society. All that does is allow these terrorist to exploit our system because we're so darn afraid to "offend" someone or to be "insensitive" to their feelings.

I think more racial profiling should be taking place. If a guy named Osama is trying to board a plane...I sure hope airport security gives him a better security and background check than 86 year Irene Smith from Topica, Kansas.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

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I could not agree more. Muslim males between 16 and 40 will quit getting extra attention from security and law enforcement when trucks full of explosives being driven by Muslim males between 16 and 40 quit being driven into Marine barracks. And when Muslim males between 16 and 40 quit placing explosives under prominent U.S. skyscrapers. And when explosive filled boats quit being rammed into U.S. ships by Muslim males between 16 and 40. And when hijacked jets quit being flown into U.S. buildings by Muslim males between 16 and 40. And when car bombs driven by Muslim males between 16 and 40 quit exploding near our troops in Iraq. And when videos quit appearing on al Jazeera of Muslim males between 16 and 40 cutting off the heads of kidnap victims.

Well, you get the picture. Too bad the liberals don't.

[horst]

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i never said they werent guilty of planning to blow something up, i said the courts would figure it out without our help.maybe you all missed this in my post,

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.If they were using them for terrorist activities i hope theyre punished to the fullest extent of the law,

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Actually, i just found something rather interesting Here

no terrorist ties, the link to the bridge was just a picture on a digital camera, no illegal activities.Oh well, You get the picture etc and so forth.

[Guest Andrea]

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horst, I get your point. But there seems to be enough evidence in this case where saying this was a terror plot isn't the worst thing.

besides, I'm sick of our overly PC society. All that does is allow these terrorist to exploit our system because we're so darn afraid to "offend" someone or to be "insensitive" to their feelings.

I think more racial profiling should be taking place. If a guy named Osama is trying to board a plane...I sure hope airport security gives him a better security and background check than 86 year Irene Smith from Topica, Kansas.

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AMEN!!!

If your name is Muhammed or Ahmed or Ali-Babba.....I think you SHOULD be profiled. Sorry, but all this PC is so very tiring.

If 9/11 doesn't make you feel that way....then maybe watching the horrific videos of those civilians being beheaded will change your mind.

[horst]

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And the fact that these guys apparently werent doing anything illegal doesnt affect your view of them as terrorists?

This is what I was talking about, these guys have had thier names plastered across the news for a week as terrorists, yet the FBI cant find any ties at all to terrorism here.Do you suppose theyre gonna be able to lead ordinary lives from here on out?You guys had em convicted as soon as they were pulled over.So was it worth ruining the lives of these guys to run a story based on very few actual facts?Its got nothing to do with being politically correct, its the preconcieved notion everyone with a turbans a bad guy thats gonna cause a lotta trouble in the near future.Profile em all you want, but get the facts before you condemn them

[Guest Andrea]

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I'll tell you what..........if I were a muslim guy ( or of middle east descent) who lived in America......I'd be darn careful what I did and said.

HELLO.................you are gonna raise eyebrows when you go buy a ton of cell phones and your name is MOHAMMED. I'm glad those employess at the store turned them in! We gotta stay on our toes and keep our eyes and ears open. And I'm sorry if the terrorists gave all the law-abiding muslims in our country a bad name.....but that's just the way it is.

[muggs]

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Its better to be safe than sorry. You know what? Why is this such an issue anyway...because these guys were inconvienienced? Because they may have been wrongfully accused? OK...we're sorry...now go back to your everyday life and quit whining.

All muslims need to realize that because of OTHER MUSLIMS, ALL MUSLIMS might receive some forms of inconvienience, profiling, suspicious looks etc...etc...

What kills me, is the Muslims leaders in America only complain about how wrong this profiling and how unjust itis. They complain how Home Land Security approach is discriminating. How the U.S. actions are wrong...you NEVER hear them say that the action of these suicide bombers and other terrorists are wrong!!

If a couple guys (who were acting suspiciously without a doubt) are inconvienienced....oh well, its a chance we have to take to save American lives.

If you're asking me to choose between racial profiling that offends a small minority of the American public VS. Mass Murder and Chaos...I'm taking Racial profiling which offends a small minority of the American Public everytime. Not to metion, its a known fact that there are terror cells in the U.S. right now...so what do people expect. Its foolish not to be overly cautious, even if you risk "hurting someone's feelings."

I long for the days when being offended and having you feelings hurt wasn't the end of the world...people just excepted it...worked ever harder to overcome it, fed their kids and paid their mortgages.

If we don't reverse this sort of thinking, we'll be a nation of overly sensitive pansies...heck, the French might even take us over then.

let's wake up here people. Where's John Wayne when I need him?

[wtnhunt]

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Not so sure of their innocence just yet, had heard that they were being charged with money laundering along with the suspected terrorism charges. Too bad for them if they are not guilty, but surely they have to understand that to keep them as well as the other citizens of this country safe our agencies to have to be a bit proactive.

[horst]

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Its better to be safe than sorry. You know what? Why is this such an issue anyway...because these guys were inconvienienced? Because they may have been wrongfully accused? OK...we're sorry...now go back to your everyday life and quit whining.

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You call having your name and photo plastered across every tv set in America as a terrorist an inconvienece?

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Because they may have been wrongfully accused? OK...we're sorry...now go back to your everyday life and quit whining.

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You make it sound like carrying on with your everyday life after that would be an option.

[muggs]

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Its better to be safe than sorry. You know what? Why is this such an issue anyway...because these guys were inconvienienced? Because they may have been wrongfully accused? OK...we're sorry...now go back to your everyday life and quit whining.

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You call having your name and photo plastered across every tv set in America as a terrorist an inconvienece?

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Because they may have been wrongfully accused? OK...we're sorry...now go back to your everyday life and quit whining.

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You make it sound like carrying on with your everyday life after that would be an option.

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Horst, let me answer your questions with one of my own.

Are they innocent?

[muggs]

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not to mention...two guys with Arabic names buy close to 1,000 cell phones which are commonly used by terrorists because they make international calls that are extremely hard to trace and the authorities raise the red flag...

yeah, I can see how that was so wrong of them. If I was Director of Home Land Security and this came across my desk, I'd probably just sigh and say..."nah...probably just gonna re-sell them for profit...yeah, that's the ticket. Now, where we going for lunch?"

[wtnhunt]

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Danged if you do danged if you dont. Let possible potential terrorist suspects go and next thing you know they blow up a airplane or building and you get blasted for not catching and stopping them. Maybe they might just sell some phones this time with no mal intents, but better to err on the side of caution. Where do we draw the line at determining what is a potential threat and what do we let go? The law enforcement agencies and government agencies cannot win so long as people are not willing to overlook some of this profiling. They are fighting a losing battle. With the media and these sorry rights activists and idiots out there like the aclu this country is in a terrible mess and it is only getting worse. Somewhere some rights are going to have to be stepped on in order to attempt to keep this countries citizens safe. Personally I would much rather some muslim men be checked out if they think they could be a threat rather than be seeing on the nightly news that they took out another of their targets. Not to say I dont care about their rights, but we have to remember some of these people might not even have any right to be afforded the same rights that we do if that makes any sense at all.

[muggs]

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Danged if you do danged if you dont. Let possible potential terrorist suspects go and next thing you know they blow up a airplane or building and you get blasted for not catching and stopping them. Maybe they might just sell some phones this time with no mal intents, but better to err on the side of caution. Where do we draw the line at determining what is a potential threat and what do we let go? The law enforcement agencies and government agencies cannot win so long as people are not willing to overlook some of this profiling. They are fighting a losing battle. With the media and these sorry rights activists and idiots out there like the aclu this country is in a terrible mess and it is only getting worse. Somewhere some rights are going to have to be stepped on in order to attempt to keep this countries citizens safe. Personally I would much rather some muslim men be checked out if they think they could be a threat rather than be seeing on the nightly news that they took out another of their targets. Not to say I dont care about their rights, but we have to remember some of these people might not even have any right to be afforded the same rights that we do if that makes any sense at all.

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That's exactly the reality we're looking at now. I'm not sure when it started, but unfortunately, that's the nature of the beast.

Throughout history, great nations always fell from within.

[buckee]

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Danged if you do danged if you dont.

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Especially danged if ya don't That's it, in a nutshell. Hard to argue that one.

I do believe in innocent until proven guilty though.

[horst]

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Muggs, you arent even talking about the same thing I am, I dont care who they racially profile.go way back and read my original post, I asked why someone would be ticked off that these guys might be defended by someone and that was it.That is mentality I was refering to, they were screwed as as soon as the press got ahold of the story because of that very attitude.It doesnt matter if they were guilty or not at this point, the entire countries tried them already and found them guilty.im not talking about stopping middle easterners in the line at the air port, Im not talking about rousting Islamics out of thier nieghborhoods, I dont even care if they lock em all up in camps.My post had absolutely nothing to do with Middle easterners and everything to do with the fact that theres a large "guilty by association" mentality in this country and its going to start effecting more and more situations untill it boils over if its not stopped.Let the police, the prosecutor, and the courts do thier job, the media and the rest of us really dont need to build on it.