slugshooter Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I really do think this is getting out of hand. A lot has been said in the past about Nextel Cup regulars driving in Busch series events, but I do believe it has passed the point of being a slight annoyance. It seems all a Busch race is nowadays is an extra practice session for Sunday. There is no reason, and I mean absolutely no reason for an established, successful, winning Cup driver to be leading the Busch series points. How many non-regular Nextel Cup drivers were in the Busch race tonight? I think I counted 5. I'm sorry, but this is just starting to really chap my behind. I predict more truck series races in the future for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. Yeah, it is starting to get "out of hand" so to speak. Isnt nearly the whole top ten Busch Wakkers?? Either way, congrats to Matt Kenseth!!! And glad to see Tim Sauter was ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkrie1357 Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. & then to hear the Nextel Big Boys on Sunday after the race complaining that the New guys aren't good enough & need more Practice. Just like everything else in the World Money Money Money CASHCAR IS GETTING TOO GREEDY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. You only counted 5? Fin Str Car Driver Team Laps Pts Bns Award Status Ti. Led Lps Led 1 4 17 Matt Kenseth Ameriquest Ford 250 185 5 $51,675 Running 1 17 2 30 21 Kevin Harvick U.S. Coast Guard Chevrolet 250 175 5 $36,625 Running 1 16 3 9 33 Ron Hornaday Jr. Outdoor Channel Chevrolet 250 165 $37,400 Running 4 5 9 Kasey Kahne Auto Value Bumper to Bumper Dodge 250 170 10 $26,575 Running 1 95 5 20 38 Jason Leffler Great Clips Chevrolet 250 155 $37,234 Running 6 1 39 Ryan Newman Alltel Dodge 250 160 10 $24,950 Running 1 95 7 6 5 Kyle Busch Lowe's/Spectacide Chevrolet 250 146 $22,110 Running 8 14 60 Carl Edwards Ameriquest Ford 250 142 $21,870 Running 9 33 99 David Reutimann Aaron's Dream Machine Dodge 250 138 $23,650 Running 10 10 11 Paul Menard Menards/Turtle Wax Ice Chevrolet 250 134 $38,606 Running 11 25 00 Johnny Sauter Yellow Transportation Chevrolet 250 130 $35,081 Running 12 19 18 J.J. Yeley Vigoro/The Home Depot Chevrolet 250 127 $21,525 Running 13 7 12 Mike Skinner Supercuts Dodge 250 124 $23,000 Running 14 34 10 John Andretti # RVs.com/Freedom Roads/Camping World Ford 250 121 $28,866 Running 15 29 1 Mike Wallace Miccosukee Resorts Dodge 250 123 5 $34,921 Running 1 27 16 40 59 Stacy Compton Kingsford/Bush's/Food City Ford 250 115 $28,136 Running 17 12 14 Scott Wimmer Family Dollar Dodge 250 112 $24,391 Running 18 17 25 Ashton Lewis Jr. United States Marines Ford 250 109 $26,346 Running 19 27 35 Regan Smith McDonald’s Ford 250 106 $26,311 Running 20 15 19 Aric Almirola Banquet Chevrolet 250 103 $21,615 Running 21 24 27 David Green Ravenswood Winery Ford 250 100 $31,706 Running 22 22 20 Denny Hamlin Rockwell Automation Chevrolet 250 97 $20,605 Running 23 3 2 Clint Bowyer ACDelco Chevrolet 250 94 $21,895 Running 24 21 77 Burney Lamar # Dollar General Chevrolet 248 91 $30,386 Running 25 13 66 Ken Schrader Yard-Man Ford 245 88 $20,550 Running 26 18 50 Danny O'Quinn Jr. # Stonebridge Life Ford 243 85 $24,761 Running 27 42 56 Kevin Lepage Power Equipment Company Chevrolet 236 82 $20,330 Accident 28 26 47 Jon Wood ArmorAll Ford 219 79 $24,651 Accident 29 23 22 Kenny Wallace AutoZone Ford 218 76 $24,621 Accident 30 16 64 Jamie McMurray Top Flite XL Extreme Dodge 209 73 $20,450 Accident 31 28 88 Shane Huffman NAVY Chevrolet 208 70 $22,175 Accident 32 38 4 Auggie Vidovich GEICO/Denbeste Dodge 192 67 $27,855 Running 33 8 29 Jeff Burton Holiday Inn Chevrolet 172 64 $20,135 Accident 34 32 36 Tim Sauter Lester Buildings Chevrolet 149 61 $24,491 Accident 35 35 90 Stephen Leicht citifinancial Ford 120 58 $22,100 Accident 36 36 28 Shane Hall SpeedZone Energy Drink/Advil Chevrolet 104 55 $22,080 Engine 37 11 16 Greg Biffle iLevel by Weyerhaeuser Ford 99 52 $20,060 Accident 38 43 0 Kertus Davis RACEGIRL Chevrolet 92 49 $22,015 Accident 39 31 06 Todd Kluever # 3M Ford 69 46 $24,356 Accident 40 41 49 Steve Grissom Mighty EZ Cleaner Ford 50 43 $21,960 Power Steering 41 39 04 Eric McClure Bank of Marion/Fuel Freedom Int'l Chevrol 46 40 $19,940 Accident 42 2 41 Reed Sorenson NicoDerm CQ Dodge 23 37 $19,915 Accident 43 37 01 Jay Sauter Western Union Chevrolet 1 34 $24,255 Accident The problem isn't the cup drivers...its Nascar mandating all these rules and the cup teams have to find ways around the rules to make their cup team better. Nascar wants to be "fair" and limits how many tracks a team can practice at...so they run busch races instead. Thats just one example...every rule/law that is put in place will result in other probs. down the road. Thats where the saying "be careful what you wish for comes from." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterfisherman Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. This is suppose to be a place for guys to prove themselves so they can get a ride in the big show. You don't see all the good baseball players playing in AAA for the heck of it or to practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. This is nothing new though....look at some of the past Busch series champs...they beat some cup regulars to win the championship. Guess thats what seperates the great drivers from drivers like Kenny Wallace, David Green, etc... If your a new young driver and finish in the top ten in points of Busch series...you'll get reconized. If you happen to beat alot of the cup drivers...you'll def. get a ride. Some of the new drivers are getting the chance to skip Busch series and race in the cup series. I still blame Nascar...not car owners or drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. [ QUOTE ] How many non-regular Nextel Cup drivers were in the Busch race tonight? I think I counted 5. [/ QUOTE ] Well, my count yielded 28 I agree, it is kind of out of control, but I don't blame the drivers at all for utilizing the opportunity to get more experience with the almost identical cars. In order to fix this, NASCAR is going to have to do one of several things= 1.Schedule a few Busch and Cup races on the same day, right after each other. 2. Change the car package radically so there is no real technical advantage to driving both races. 3. Don't give points to Nextel Cup drivers. 4. Institute the Chase in Busch-those guys will have a lot better chance of catching them with a 5-10 race chase. I really don't have a problem with Nextel Cup rookies like Bowyer and Sorenson running both series, as they need all the experience they can get. It has been amazing to see what Harvick is doing this year though, he has completely dominated the Cup regulars as well as the Busch guys. I doubt anyone has ever, or will ever, have this good of a season again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowhntr Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. It is totally out of control. Next year may slow down some with the Car of Tomorrow coming into the cup series....but it could be in Busch too. I think the only way to fix this is to either put a limit on the number of Busch races a cup regular can start OR go back to some of the old rules where the Busch and cup cars were VERY different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. I personally don't like the idea of limiting anyone racing in any series...that will just start teams/owners to figure out another way around things. Easy fix (if there is a problem deemed by Nascar)...schedule more races same day/different tracks...and/or schedule Busch race Sat. night out west some where and Cup race Sun. morning in the east. [ QUOTE ] It has been amazing to see what Harvick is doing this year though, he has completely dominated the Cup regulars as well as the Busch guys. I doubt anyone has ever, or will ever, have this good of a season again. [/ QUOTE ] The last time Harvick had this good of a season was his Rookie year (year he took over Earnhardts car). Harvick won the Busch series and finished (I believe) 7th or 8th in the cup points. He just seems to run better when he runs both series. Would like to see him win both series this year...that would be a hard task for anyone to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted August 27, 2006 Report Share Posted August 27, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. Saturday Cup Series and Sunday Cup Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. The only problem with limiting drivers is that NASCAR can't really do it. They have said repeatedly that basically, a team/driver is basically an independent contractor, separate from each series (which I think is bunk) so basically if a driver wants to race in any series he (or she) can. That's why you rarely see a driver get punished series wide for a major infraction in a specific race, unless they race both series under the same race team. About the only way it can be curbed is the fans raise a big enough stink about it, but that won't happen, because there are plenty of fans out there who go to both races on the weekend to see their favorite driver. Think about it, the Busch races are cheaper to attend, but you can still go and see Harvick, and Kahne, and Stewart, and occasionally Dale Jr. NASCAR won't do anything about it because it puts butts in the seats. 10 years ago you never saw a crowd at a Busch race like you do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. nascar won't change it because it means $$$$$$$ to them to have cup guys in busch races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. [ QUOTE ] nascar won't change it because it means $$$$$$$ to them to have cup guys in busch races. [/ QUOTE ] I doubt there would be a Busch Series if there were no Cup drivers in it. The talk a couple years ago was that the Busch Series was on it's way down unless they got some major money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. Yep,there's no way the Busch series would make it without Busch wackers.They need big names to fill the stands and sometimes even fill the field.It's not fair to the kids trying to move up,but it will never change.If you've ever been to a truck race that was not running with cup cars you'll see the stands about half full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Re: Tonights Nextel Cup.....errrr, I mean Busch race. Remember the stands when the Busch league didn't have as many Cup stars competing? Attendance was down, they need the stars to fill the seats! Its economics for that series to survive!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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