rossman Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 My brother wants to buy a new muzzleloader. He is looking at the knight's revolution, thompson's omega and thompson's encore. Which gun would you guys choose and for what reasons? i know that they are all in the same ball park performance wise. But ease of operation? Any recommendations would be appreciated. I shoot thompson's omega and in the 45 caliber love it, but have not shot the encore or the revolution!!!!!! thanks!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] Both the Encore & Omega sport the same exact barrel standards (centerfire SAAMI specs). [/ QUOTE ] There are no SAAMI specs for blackpowder barrels, regardless of manufacturer. I'd stick with the Omega or Encore in .50 caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigbuckmiddaugh Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? i just got my Optima pro yesterday. Very nice gun for the money. For 8.8 lbs, it is very balanced! I love that notch or dip in the stock. Yes, it does have metal sights too, but i'm putting 3-12x scope on it. Compared to my old muzzleloader, AHHH, it will be very very very easy to clean too. My buddy told me cabela's has them on sale this week for 199.95, for CVA optima pro nickel finish I paid 209.00, plus 10.00 shipping. Going to shoot it this saturday. Shooting powerbelt 245gr aero tip, with 100gr trip. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Both the Encore & Omega sport the same exact barrel standards (centerfire SAAMI specs). [/ QUOTE ] There are no SAAMI specs for blackpowder barrels, regardless of manufacturer. I'd stick with the Omega or Encore in .50 caliber. [/ QUOTE ] I agree completely. I have the Encore, and my buddy has the Omega. I like both of them. I have some rifle barrels in the future for my Encore, so that is what I bought. The buyer needs to shoulder each one and decide what fits him the best. If he would like to turn the Encore into a rifle or shotgun, then that is what he needs to purchase. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? How about the Savage? It will do anything the T/C or Knight will and a whole lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] have him shoulder the Encore. Most feel the Encore shoulders better than the Omega anyways. [/ QUOTE ] i was having trouble deciding on the omega and the encore....but when i finally had a chance to sholder both of them...i had no doubt it was the Encore that i wanted. i was with one of my cousins at gander mountain one day and had him shoulder the Encore...needless to say...He has one ordered as we speak......another great thing is the shotgun and rifle barrels you can get for it...i also thought the encore was a bit lighter than the omega. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted December 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? He has all the riffles and shotguns he would need. He wants to biuld a muzzleloader for deer and leave it. The reason I asked about the encore is because he likes how the breech opens!!!! If he bought the encore, he would probably leave it as a muzzleloader. We wanted to know about durability, and how one shoots compared to another. Ex. Which one will shoot a mugnum charge better? Thanks for the current help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] He has all the riffles and shotguns he would need. He wants to biuld a muzzleloader for deer and leave it. .... Which one will shoot a mugnum charge better? [/ QUOTE ] Thats why I suggested the Savage. It is a muzzleloader. It does not change barrels (unless you are a gunsmith), it shoots blackpowder, pyrodex, tripple 7, AND the best part, it will also shoot smokeless powder. It handles the magnum charges better than the T/C does. It will outperform the T/C easily. There is no changing it over or barrel swapping. You can shoot a load of smokeless powder behind a sabot, then immediately reload it with 3 pellets of Pyrodex and a sabot, shoot it, and reload with Tripple 7, or blackpowder, or clean shot, or what ever propellant you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigbuckmiddaugh Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? if i had the money, i would like to have the savage. I'm wondering if they will ban it, as not considered a muzzleloader. I know they are talking about it. But, yeah...if you have the money go for it! What are they 800-900 just for rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] if i had the money, i would like to have the savage. I'm wondering if they will ban it, as not considered a muzzleloader. I know they are talking about it. But, yeah...if you have the money go for it! What are they 800-900 just for rifle? [/ QUOTE ] It is considered a muzzleloader. Some uninformed people think smokeless is out of line, but thats their opinion, they are welcomed to it (even if they are wrong). The Savage ML is not any more expensive than the others. The blued with black synthetic stock is $400, blued with camo synthetic stock is $430, stainless with black synthetic stock is $445, stainless with camom synthetic is $475, and stainless with laminated wood stock is $500. You can add about $40-$50 for the new ones with the Accu-Trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnrbronc Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] if i had the money, i would like to have the savage. I'm wondering if they will ban it [/ QUOTE ] How can they ban a gun that could be loaded with BP, Pyrodex, or 777? Makes no sense at all. Just load it to the local legal requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodlew Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? AJ, I believe that you mentioned that you pillar bed your rifles. Have you had to mess around with your 10ML stock "system?" I understand that Savage advertises a"dual pillar bed," just wondering if it lives up to the marketing hype. Everyone that has experienced shooting the Accu-trigger is really positive about it. I will support mfg's that have the stones to give the customer what he/she wants right out of the box--for example a trigger system that is safe while not detracting from the "shootabilty," and ultimately, the accuracy of the firearm. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] AJ, I believe that you mentioned that you pillar bed your rifles. Have you had to mess around with your 10ML stock "system?" I understand that Savage advertises a"dual pillar bed," just wondering if it lives up to the marketing hype. [/ QUOTE ] I finish bedded the gun before I shot it, like I do with all guns. The pillars made minimal contact at best and there was still a lot of slop in the recoil lug area. Like I said, all bolt guns need bedded. [ QUOTE ] Everyone that has experienced shooting the Accu-trigger is really positive about it. [/ QUOTE ] Not me. I hunted down a model that was pre Accu-trigger on purpose. I don't like it. If I can't get a decent trigger pull with the old factory trigger, a Rifle Basix gets installed. Its much better than the AT. [ QUOTE ] I will support mfg's that have the stones to give the customer what he/she wants right out of the box--for example a trigger system that is safe while not detracting from the "shootabilty," and ultimately, the accuracy of the firearm. [/ QUOTE ] So would I . I have seen a lot of new Savage guns that will not adjust below 3# and these have the AT. I am not sold on the AT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] Randy Wakeman says: There are no SAAMI specs for blackpowder barrels, regardless of manufacturer. If you read my post closely, it says "centerfire" SAAMI specs. Muzzleloaders are not a centerfire Mr. Wakeman and Mr. Too Pointer. [/ QUOTE ] Then, I'll be more direct-- T/C Omega and Encore ML barrels are not built to SAAMI specs, center-fire or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RandyWakeman Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Re: Brother wants to buy muzzleloader, which one? [ QUOTE ] I believe that you mentioned that you pillar bed your rifles. Have you had to mess around with your 10ML stock "system?" I understand that Savage advertises a"dual pillar bed," just wondering if it lives up to the marketing hype. Everyone that has experienced shooting the Accu-trigger is really positive about it. I will support mfg's that have the stones to give the customer what he/she wants right out of the box--for example a trigger system that is safe while not detracting from the "shootabilty," and ultimately, the accuracy of the firearm. [/ QUOTE ] As AJ (I believe) pointed up-- bedding is bedding. Pillars are a way, but in and of themselves mean little. The basis for pillars to prevent stock screws from pulling through the bottom of the stock. By itself, it means little more than that. No factory muzzleloader is hand-bedded out of the box. Some cannot be (Knight / break action). I have 5 Accutrigger guns, and I think they are fabulous. no creep, ands crisp. AT-I comes on their LE models, AT-II on their hunting models. Savage made the decision to put the AT-II on hunting models, they did not feel that a 1-1/2 break was in their best interest. The actual break weight is controlled by a single spring. Those that insist on a 2-1/2 lb. break with an AT2 rifle can have it; Savage will touch it up N/C for you if you choose. Most break in the 3 - 3-1/4 pound area, as supplied. I personally do not care for the Savage plastic stocks at all, but do like the laminate. As it is, the 10ML-II is at a price point well below T/C Encores, an even some Knight Revolutions models. If you haven't spent time with one, you are really missing something. The smokeless powder thing is not what you think-- it is a natural progression from what many of us grew up with ... .22 long rifles and shotguns. Smokeless for decades, with no controversy. You merely use the propellants tested by, and recommended by the manufacturer-- simple as that. I do enjoy my Encore, Contender, A & H, Knight Elite, etc. All have their virtues, and their weak spots. All will please many hunters, and have done just that. The Savage offers something that the others do not, and the rest is just up to the individual-- as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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