WvBowhunterKE Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Perhaps it was like that in your part of the state and I DO see where your coming from but, it wasn't like that up here in harrison county...around west milford and good hope....there were hardly any bucks last season...besides, I am what people would call a meat hunter so it really doesn't matter to me...you cant eat the antlers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense I've been bowhunting in Lewis County for 8 years, and I've never had problems finding does. Will we still be able to shoot does with bows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mathews4 Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense they put the limited permit regulations for does here in lincoln county...the doe kill may have been down last year...but take this into account, usually i buy all the antlerless stamps i can but last year i only bought one...add up all the other hunters that done that and you will have a lower doe kill rate but so far this year ive been seeing all kinds of does....i can see them puttin doe restrictions in some places but so far ive scouted 3 counties...lincoln, cabell, and putnam counties and ive seen tons of deer in general and these counties all have some usless restiction this year...they should wait a couple seasons to make sure before they jump the gun...after the state finds out how many vehicles are bein damaged from hitting deer they might realize this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] I've been bowhunting in Lewis County for 8 years, and I've never had problems finding does. Will we still be able to shoot does with bows? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. One either sex. Then two more does if you buy stamps i think. The only thing that could help is if they put the counties into about 7 or 8 different zones or somthing. If what all you guys are saying is right. But i still believe you need to look further into the deer herd first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Whenever I hear people expressing extreme assessments of the herd, it usually turns out that the state has no individual wildlife management areas that receive special individual consideration, or that the wildlife management units are too big for effective management. It usually turns out that all the opinions are correct but simply judged on what the hunters are seeing in their specific hunting locale. Different hunting habitat and hunting pressures and deer densities require individual goals and permit number levels. A state that is managing the entire state as a single entity is most likely going to have extremes in both directions and very few happy hunters. So, when I hear people from the same state having exactly opposite assessments of deer densities, I always figure that they are probably both right. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] Perhaps it was like that in your part of the state and I DO see where your coming from but, it wasn't like that up here in harrison county...around west milford and good hope....there were hardly any bucks last season... [/ QUOTE ] This is why "Blanket Solutions" applied by game management authorities is the wrong thing to do!!! This buck was taken from Harrison county last year on the A.M. Ward Farm. Some of my previous comments in this thread: "It does torque me out slightly because of the past 4-5 years me and my father have been doing whatever we could to get the Doe population under control where we hunt in WV. We bought and filled extra doe tags and always passed on smaller racked bucks every year. Really starting to see the benefits of it too... It was getting to the point we were actually seeing strong rut activity with bucks pushing does and coming into doe decoys too" If theres such a difference within one county....exactly what good would a blanket management solution do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kyhunter1 Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Maybe this is a stupid question but whats a blanket solution? Excuse my ignorance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] In 2005 the doe harvest was down. The WVDNR essentially took that info and decided that this must mean the doe population is down and pretty much closed all doe hunting for 2006. [/ QUOTE ] Thats a "Quilt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NCSUHunter829 Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense That stinks for you guys, but on the other hand you guys need to make your voice heard; go to the local meetings and contact DNR its always worth a try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense I hate to say it but West Virginia statistically has the least educated residents in the whole country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] I hate to say it but West Virginia statistically has the least educated residents in the whole country. [/ QUOTE ] I think that's a little bit of a bash. I'm sure some are smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldblue Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense I think you two guys from IL need to apologize; that was a terrible thing to say. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUTSIDER Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense If it wasn't for the coal that we mine half the US would not have the electric to turn on the computer. Least educated....I've got two degrees....workin on my third...Keep bashing us all you want but that shows who is really educated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldblue Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Great come back BUM. Nice to see you got your 2 cents in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTechHunter Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Wow that is strange...here in VA it is the opposite. Last year you could shoot does all of bow, one day of early muzzleloader, and a week of rifle, but now they made it open season on does during rifle season too. Where I am at we can shoot up to five does and in other parts of the state you can shoot six, plus you can buy bonus tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoGuy Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In 2005 the doe harvest was down. The WVDNR essentially took that info and decided that this must mean the doe population is down and pretty much closed all doe hunting for 2006. [/ QUOTE ] Just as a point of curiosity, what is the real reason that the doe harvest was down if it wasn't because of a smaller doe population? How much was it down? And finally, does WV have their state broken into management areas, or does this permit lockdown apply to the entire state regardless of local harvest figures? Doc [/ QUOTE ] This is purely opinion. I beleive that the state doe harvest is down for a combination of 3 reasons. 1. 2 days of the 3 day doe season fell during the week (Thur, Fri, Sat). Not many hunters are going to use up vacation days to kill a doe. Also the 3 days were Dec 29th to 31st, very late in the hunting season for here considering buck season ended Dec 4th. 2. Doe season falls after buck season so most people have already filled their freezer and/or used up their vacation time during buck season. 3. This season it was rather warm (in my area at least). I hunted in uninsulated bibs, flannel shirt and a light jacket. I beleive that the low harvest was a result of poor planning and implementation of the season and not because of the lack of does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoGuy Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hate to say it but West Virginia statistically has the least educated residents in the whole country. [/ QUOTE ] I think that's a little bit of a bash. I'm sure some are smart. [/ QUOTE ] The Morgan Quinto Press performed a study and awarded a "Smartest State" award. WV ranked 34th amongst the 50 states. Illinois ranked 32nd. Last year WV ranked 33rd and Illinois ranked 24th. So not only are you guys not smarter, it also appears that you are getting dumber at a much faster rate than anyone else. Perhaps you guys need to go try and convince someone else that you are smarter than us "uneducated" WVians because it looks to me like you are just as "dumb" as we are. For the record, I am working on my second degree and am on the dean's list at my college and my wife holds a Master's degree and is working on her doctorate. Do not be so simple minded as to generalize about people because of something as superficial as location. It just makes you look as ignorant as those you are attempting to make fun of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoGuy Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense OK, apparently they modified the regulations. Here is how it hashes out. I just went and checked the regs on-line and found this. The following counties have a season bag limit of 3 with proper tags. Berkeley, Brooke, Hampshire, Hancock, Hardy, Harrison, Jefferson, Jackson, Marion, Marshall, Mason, Mineral, Monongalia, Morgan, Ohio, Pleasants, Taylor, Tyler, Wetzel and Wirt. The following counties have a season bag limit of 1 doe. Barbour, Calhoun, Doddridge, Grant (only part of the county), Lewis, Preston, Putnam and Ritchie The following counties have a limited number of tags that are available by lottery only. Cabell, Gilmer, Grant, Kanawha, Monroe, Pendleton, Roane, Upshur and Wayne. If your county is not listed then it is closed season. So to summarize, of the 55 WV counties, season is entirely closed in 19 counties, is limited to lottery only in 9 counties and limited to 1 doe only in another 8 counties. The premise stays the same. Why tell hunter's to harvest does to help control CWD and then close or limit doe harvest in 36 of 55 counties? It is counter-productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] The following counties have a season bag limit of 1 doe. Barbour, Calhoun, Doddridge, Grant (only part of the county), Lewis, Preston, Putnam and Ritchie [/ QUOTE ] Is that with a gun, or for all seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Again, I said statistically speaking. That is the truth. Take a look for yourselves on SAT scores and percentage of high school graduates. West Virginia is the lowest in the country. if you think statistical certainties are bashing then that is sad indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mathews4 Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Every state in the union will get some kind of bad rep. So here’s a STATISTIC I found for Illinois. Illinois has about 724,000 residents living in what experts call ``deep poverty,'' the highest rate in the Midwest, according to a recent report. So congratulations on being a leader in the Midwest. So for every bad statistic some ignorant out of stater finds and makes a dumb remark to make his/herself feel better over, guess what? We can find something about you and do the same thing back if need be. Im sure someone will see this and get upset and post something bad about about WV or myself, but I guess if you have nothing better to do in your perfect little world, then go right on ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense I don't care if you guys keep ripping on Illinois, I hate this place. Full of liberals and other undesirables. I would much rather live in West Virginia, my wife will attest. Half the people that live near me don't speak English and I live 1 block from the governor, supposedly a decent area. Are you kidding me? For every stat you give me on Illinois, I have 10 personal stories on why this place should fall off the face of the earth, from corrupt police, to the highest murder rate, homeless bums, broken glass, people that litter like they live in a dumpster, the political corruption that borders on mob activity, high taxes, ignorant liberals... I could go on. So you aren't hurting my feelings - this place sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense Again I ask......Are does still fair game during bowseason in West Virginia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mathews4 Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense VtBowhunter....they are fair game but they just got a bunch of restrictions in so many different locations that its hard to keep track of which areas you can and cannot kill does in and how many in each area you can take. we really have to know our regulation book this year to keep out of fines.they should have left it as "if its brown its down"...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoGuy Posted September 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Re: WVDNR Has No Common Sense [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The following counties have a season bag limit of 1 doe. Barbour, Calhoun, Doddridge, Grant (only part of the county), Lewis, Preston, Putnam and Ritchie [/ QUOTE ] Is that with a gun, or for all seasons? [/ QUOTE ] With a gun in doe season. Regs state that you can harvest a doe or buck with your first tag with a bow. I beleive that the 2nd deer with a bow has to be a buck but I am not 100% on that. I have pretty much decided that I am not going to shoot anything unless it has horns on it's head. If the WVDNR isn't going to issue firearms doe tags then I don't intend on using my archery tags on does either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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