Guest bigbuckmiddaugh Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I vote QAD Ultra Rest, keeps arrow contained, and drops BUT, that is my preference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away Drop away. No question about it. I don't see any advantages of the Biscuit. If you have a problem with your arrow moving while stalking with a drop away, place one finger on top of the arrow. I feel just as secure with four fingers on the bow's grip and with five. I see no advantage of the biscuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away the wb is a good rest but for me if it says golden key futura on it your going to find some great quality and soemone who specializes in rests. my favorite hunting drop away is the mirage the way it captures the arrow and i like that i can have it laying in my lap pic it up and it falls into the arm and is ready without having to fool with. if you want pics of it please email me at [email protected]. wouldn't have any other on my bows rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away If your shooting good I would just leave it as is...The less you have to fiddle with the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away The "fall of an arrow" isn't a problem for me. I don't feel less comfortable with that one finger off the bow's grip. I actually feel a little better with my finger on the arrow. The Whisker Biscuit...you either love it or hate it. I'm the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away i'm not a big fan of the biscuit....i just don't see how your fletching making contact with the brissles (sp) can be just as good or better than your fletching making contact with NOTHING! i bought the muzzy zero effect this past fall and man that thing is nice....no contact what so ever. oh well...this could go on forever, i guess its like the whole mathews/hoyt thing...just go with what works for ya....like jimt said...if you are shooting good, just leave it as it is. MBH_SQ2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away trust mne guys both rests are top quality and both are super accurate.... i shoot the original TT for both hunting and indoor target , 3D and field archery .. i will not switch to anything else.. but i have seen the accuracy of the biscut.. i know of a pro that put a biscut on and shot just as good scores with it as his normal rest... they do sell very well in our shop and they are pretty easy to set up.. there only down fall is that they do eat fletching a little...other than that they do the job very nicely..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away I was resisting this post but I feel compelled to stick up for the biscut a bit. No doubt a drop away is favored for comp shooting. However, simple facts about the WB most people do not know or even thought of is what really makes this rest a serious competitor, even for comp shooting. 1st -the whiskers will mechanically "sling shot" your offset or helical vanes/feathers into a mush faster spin vs. just air resistance. Its fact a spinning arrow will stabilize much faster then one that does not spin. Hense and arrow that gets to full spin faster will be stabilized that much quick making it more accruate. 2nd -the whiskers do not put any or very little resistance on the arrow until the vanes/feather start to pass threw. Now with out going in to detail on what "archers paradox' is, quiet simply the resistance of the vanes will stop the "paradox" almost instantly with the slight resistance of the whisker on the vanes, this too increases accuracy and energy transfer from the nock end of the arrow to the tip of the arrow. 3rd -100% vane contact is just that. 100%. If you have 100% then your arrow can not be kicked off to one side or the other as if vanes that get contact on a prong rest or drop away if it hits it. "Every action has an oposite reaction." Put basically you can not hit one side of 100% or even further, any resistance "side to side" is instantly cancels out by the oposite side of the rest. 4th for hunting, full containment is choice, especially for extreme steep shot , still hunting, crawling, etc. The 1st three facts are simple physics and defiante benifits with the WB. The 4th may be opinion but hard disputable... Awesome rest bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billkay Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away I've shot both and still prefer the fall away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away if you want to stabilize an arrow very quick then i would suggest you try the turbo nocks which will work thru either a twhisker bisquit or a drop away. what it takes standard fletching to do in 20 yards the turbo nock can do in the first 5 feet of release. the stabilizing of the arrow is what is most important when shooting and until the turbo nock the stabilization was very slow from 1 1/2 to 2 rpms at 20 yards and you needed for hunting soemthing like a 4 to 5 inch fletching to gain that much stabilization and witht he turbo nock in the first 5 feet of release you had two complete revs of the arrow which will make the arrow stsbilze that much quicker and not need the surface of standard fletching to make it happen. with a drop away rest you have the freedom to shoot a hard helical arrow that you can't off standard prog type rest or the blade rest and with the wb even the 2nd generation you have some drag caused by the passing of the fletching thru the whiskers. it won't usually affect the flight but it will affect the speed of the arrow getting to it's mark. that is the differentces that i know between the drop away and the wb and the differences of using the fletching vs's the turbo nock. i have found that with my drop away and the turbo nocks i got much quicker stabilization and my arrow trajectory was much flatter and the hit of the turbo nocked arrow was much more penetration in the end. rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away robk is correct about those nocks. I did not state the amonut of time or length, but the whiskers gain you about the same amount of spin in about the same amount of time with 4" vanes. Even slight offset. The cancelation of archers paradox is the biggy as far as energy transfer and arrow stabilaztion. The amount of speed loss is less then 1 fps (if trimmed) and about 2 to 3 fps not trimmed with the new B2 biscut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away i didnt know that about the biscut... but i dont find a need for me to induce extra spin to any of my arrows for them to be accurate.. i shoot straight fletch on all my arrows from 1.5 inch vanes on my accs to 5 inch feathers on my 2613s indoor target arrows . i also shoot 4 inch feathes on my recurve and they are straight fletch... this is just what i have experienced .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away Tony- Its sad to say but most people do not get a "properly" tuned bow and arrow combo so straight fletch will not fly as well as hard offset or helical. I too have recurve arrows that are straight and they fly like darts. The stuff I posted about the biscut is fact and not known by a lot of guys. Case in point you did not and your a big time archer... I guess I just have a beef with someone who says they think "full" contact is bad for arrow flight. Zero contact and 100% contact basically accomplish the exact same results if you think about it. One being a bit slower then the other is the only difference. Given both are "properly" tuned. LOL Everything is personal preference as anything in archery. It would be nice if people would just know the facts about a product before passing poor judgement.. I try to anyways... Not saying you did but others do and it tweeks me a bit. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away your exactly right Shawn...i do shoot a lot and i was always against any kind of fletching contact at all. i was convinced that if it had fletching contact it couldnt be good at all... i was biased against the biscut when it first came out , simply because of that fact.. but now that im a little older and a whole lot wiser . i realize that i need to evaluate each product as they come out and give it a chance... i was dead set against that biscut thing and my ignorance showed for say the first year or so...then as the reports of how good the guys were shooting them i started to rethink my unforgiving evaluation of the biscut... i mean heck even " Buckee " shot one and he could hit something with it .. heck it must be magical or something .. now i realize that they do work very well and while i wont shoot one on my bows i wont be critical of people that do.... thanks for the info Shawn.... sorry Gary for hijacking your thread for a min or 2 ...if i was you i would shoot the same rest for both.. that way you could shoot 3D with your hunting bow and get lots of practice all summer before the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away Oh ahh yea, ditto. I would also keep the same rest on for hunting and 3D if your gonna use the same bow for each.. Sorry. BTW I hear ya about Buckee. If it works for him its gotta be magic!!! Thats what sold me... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchback29A1 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Re: Biscuit Vs. Drop away I had a standard NAP 2 prong rest that worked ok but never really did anything great. I started looking for a new rest and it got down to the biscuite, trophy taker shakey hunter, and possibly the Muzzy zero effect. I heard to many people telling me about fall aways and string stretch so then when all my hunting buddies started shooting biscuits and they were only 30 bucks at ole Wally World I had to get one. At first I was another horror story, the rest started to tear my fletching, but we soon reflectched (sp) that arrow and put a little dab of glue on the *ock feather and havent had a probley since. I would of loved to of shot a Muzzy but for poor boy here 30 was a lot better than 80. But further on down the road I might check out the muzzy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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