RangerClay Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Did anyone read Oak Dukes article in the New York Outdoors News where he whines about how bad the Saturday Southern Zone opening day is? I am curious. After trying the Saturday opening day for the first time, would YOU prefer a Saturday or Monday opening day? Please explain why. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters I will start by saying I did not read that article. I personaly liked the Saturday opening day because I was able to go. Being a teacher I am not able to take Monday off to go. I do not believe that there was anymore shooting maybe actually less. The other nice thing about a saturday opening is I know that there are a lot of students that skip school on monday to go hunting so this also gets rid of people having to skip work and school. QDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Buffoonus Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters I actually prefer the MONDAY opener...One because the opening weekend for me has always been about the comraderie of friends and family members hanging out on Sat & Sun just shooting the breeze...that is all gone now....people come in on Fri nite...there is no hanging out..just get your stuff ready and get ready to hunt....I also think it has had an impact on the economy...we use to have a big benefit dinner and auction on the Sat before Deer Season...now we have to have it the week before..it is just not the same and we don't get many of the hunters from the NYC area we gto before..so for me I liked the Monday opener better...BUT I understand about people getting off of work too..many people don't need to use a day to hunt on the opener..I always take the whole week off so I didn't care about that either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterbucks1 Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters I agree with Buffoonos, it was fun going down the weekend and then getting up on monday morning to hunt. but also i like the sat start cause i didnt have to take as many v days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters Doesnt make much difference to me. I did notice more hunters out last year on the weekend start, but that bodes well for me because it got the deer moving better than normal. We still do deer camp from Thursday on, some show up on Wed. It is like a holiday vacation for most of us. Most of us have the weekends off also so now instead of taking Monday thru Wed. off we take Thursday and friday. I can also take the kids with me on the opening weekend with out having them skip school for the first day. Guess I do prefer the saturday opener! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters The way I see it there are three options for the opening day of the Southern Zone deer season: 1. A Monday Opener - I can bring my 16-18 year old children to hunting camp and have this bonding weekend some of you described. Then send my kids to school on Monday because their education is more important than deer hunting. Not to mention that if they play sports, they would probably be punished for missing practice on Monday. I was punished for missing basketball practice when I was 16. 2. A Monday Opener - I can bring my 16-18 year old children to hunting camp and have this bonding weekend some of you described. I can take them hunting on Monday. Then I can teach them how to lie to their teachers about where they were on Monday. I can teach them how to lie like their Dad to their future employers about where they really were on Monday because some employers do not let you take the day off for deer hunting. I’m sure that will be excellent for their development and make me a great role model. 3. A Saturday Opener – Everyone arrives, has fun as you described AND goes deer hunting. fresh stories to tell on saturday night. It’s the best scenario of all and no one lies. None one has to drive a long way home Monday night after walking all day. No one has to drive home Monday night with beer on their breath after celebrating a 10 point buck. For me, best of all when I back into the driveway with a buck on the tailgate, my 5 year old daughter and son are not at daycare 90 miles away but at my parents home to congratulate me with a big hug. It is at that moment that I can share with my daughter and son what deer camp is all about because they are with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] The way I see it there are three options for the opening day of the Southern Zone deer season: 2. Then I can teach them how to lie to their teachers about where they were on Monday. I can teach them how to lie like their Dad to their future employers about where they really were on Monday because some employers do not let you take the day off for deer hunting. I’m sure that will be excellent for their development and make me a great role model. [/ QUOTE ] Ranger - Did anyone say anything about telling lies to their teachers???????? I don't know anyone here that would condone that. I also feel that there are times that kids, mine included, have done well enough in class and at home, or at work that they can be allowed to take off a day. Mine do, they tell their teachers the truth about it, heck I do when I see them at the diner at luch time, because they took the day off too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The way I see it there are three options for the opening day of the Southern Zone deer season: 2. Then I can teach them how to lie to their teachers about where they were on Monday. I can teach them how to lie like their Dad to their future employers about where they really were on Monday because some employers do not let you take the day off for deer hunting. I’m sure that will be excellent for their development and make me a great role model. [/ QUOTE ] Ranger - Did anyone say anything about telling lies to their teachers???????? I don't know anyone here that would condone that. I also feel that there are times that kids, mine included, have done well enough in class and at home, or at work that they can be allowed to take off a day. Mine do, they tell their teachers the truth about it, heck I do when I see them at the diner at luch time, because they took the day off too. [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying that some people never lied about where they were on opening day of deer season? Do you really think that all the parents who let their kids take the day off from school tell the school the truth? Does everyone tell their employers where they really were when they call in "sick"? Of course not! Nor am I condoning that they do lie. But people do it all the time. I merely saying that many people do this and in doing so they teach bad habits such as lying. I never said that people should lie. Plus I said that I would never do such a thing. It says that people who do lie are very poor role models for their kids. I applaude you Wiggs and anyone else for telling your employer where you were and your having your kids tell the truth. But realistically most kids don't. I know this because I am a teacher and I talk with the kids. The pressure on them today is different than it was in our day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying that some people never lied about where they were on opening day of deer season? I don't see where I said that at all, are you saying ALL kids do? Do you really think that all the parents who let their kids take the day off from school tell the school the truth? I would hope so, but yeah doubtfull that they ALL do, Im sure some do though, if they say anything at all. Does everyone tell their employers where they really were when they call in "sick"? Of course not! Right Nor am I condoning that they do lie. I don't condone that they lie either but unfortunately that's not up to us But people do it all the time. I merely saying that many people do this and in doing so they teach bad habits such as lying. I agree with that I never said that people should lie. Plus I said that I would never do such a thing. It says that people who do lie are very poor role models for their kids. I would never argue that for sure I applaude you Wiggs and anyone else for telling your employer where you were and your having your kids tell the truth. But realistically most kids don't. I know this because I am a teacher and I talk with the kids. The pressure on them today is different than it was in our day. [/ QUOTE ] I understand what your saying here, but I don't feel that we should determine season dates based on whether kids are going to skip school to participate. It "should " be up to the parents to teach the kids right an wrong, not the state DEC changing laws and dates instead. How are your feelings on rewarding the kids such as I do mine? Just curious to get a teachers point of view. I know around here some like the idea, some don't. To each his own I suppose. The most important part of rewarding the kids this way is to be sure they are truthfull about the reasons they are not in school. Being honest about it, whether the teacher likes it or not, helps earn respect from their elders. .............- You got that truck loaded for the smackdown yet? Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters Oak Duke whine.......never.LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] [i understand what your saying here, but I don't feel that we should determine season dates based on whether kids are going to skip school to participate. It "should " be up to the parents to teach the kids right an wrong, not the state DEC changing laws and dates instead.[/b] [/ QUOTE ] Agreed but if Oak Duke is going to use the argument that one reason this law should be changed back to a Monday Opener is for the sake of the kids then there are other things to concider. You are teaching them more than just deer hunting. As a teacher I do offer rewards for kids. In fact my room is probably the only place in the building they can express their "Spirit of the Wild". I will try to post or PM some pictures tomorrow. As for Smackdown I still need to get a few things together. I have a bow I havn't shot in about 15 years. I'm having a friend fix it up so I can win one of those bowling trophies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ As for Smackdown I still need to get a few things together. I have a bow I havn't shot in about 15 years. I'm having a friend fix it up so I can win one of those bowling trophies [/ QUOTE ] 15 YEARS !!!!!!!!! That bow will fit right in with Arts !!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters To be perfectly honest, I am retired and it really doesn't matter which day the season opens. However, I haven't been out of the working world long enough to forget how darned inconvenient the Monday opener used to be. I was always forced to burn a vacation day, and those days were not always so easy to come by. I also remember that the guys out in the shop had a defined vacation period (shutdown) and it was no where near hunting season. There also are new employees who may not have any vacation days. When it came to lying about being sick on opening day, that wasn't always an option for many also. Most hunters make it quite public that they are deer hunters and everyone knows when deer season opens. In fact, these guys have a real credibility problem if they do happen to really get sick on opening day ....lol. It is pretty hard to stem the slide in hunter numbers, and I think it is a good idea that the DEC is thinking about convenience when setting opening day dates. I think it was a pretty good move. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] I also remember that the guys out in the shop had a defined vacation period (shutdown) Doc [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I hear that, around here the plants and shops all close down around the 4th of July for the vacation period. Everyone burns all their vacation at that time unless they have been there for ever and have a few extra days to hang on to. Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters I did not read it but I will as soon as my brother sends me the last three copies. As far as the Sat opener or Mon. opener?? It really makes no difference. More guys in the woods does not affect that reclusive buck. Well, it might but adding a few more guys in the woods per 100 sq miles does nothing to affect any of my hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hort Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters I would say I liked the Saturday opener better. Mostly for the reason of not having to take a day off from work. I'm self employed, no work no pay. My son has taken the day off from school in the past. We would let the teachers know the week before and asked if he could do his school work ahead of time. Most of the teachers had no problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters Just one time I would like to see Oak Duke write a positive article. I am sure if the opener had been changed from Sat. to Monday he'd be whining even worse. While I don't plan to hunt the southern zone this year I can remember taking my son out of school for a day [ Monday ]. I would have liked the option of spending Sat. and Sun. hunting instead of rushing home Mon. night so Marc wouldn't miss another day of school. In my business, Mondays are usually my busiest day setting the tone for the work schedule for the week. It would be easier for me to take Thursday and Friday off. I feel as folks get used to the new opener they will adapt to this. This means businesses will benefit from people staying Thurs, Fri., and Sat., nights. Three nights instead of two. Get my drift? I say give it a chance before we condem the new policy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters [ QUOTE ] Just one time I would like to see Oak Duke write a positive article. I am sure if the opener had been changed from Sat. to Monday he'd be whining even worse. [/ QUOTE ] Well, the man has opinions and he is certainly entitled to them. I know that this subject was not universally endorsed by everyone, and we shouldn't be terribly surprised if we hear some dissenting opinions. My take on Oak Duke is that he very often has some controversial opinions and is the originator of some very interesting topics and discussions. I usually enjoy his column whether I agree with him or not, and think he compliments the staff of NY Outdoor News and helps to make the paper more interesting and informative. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters I don't pay attention to a thing Oak Duke says.... he is full of dung. I much preferred the Monday Opener.... it was a reward for us as kids to be able to stay home on Moday for the opener. Good grades, chores done..... I do not like the Saturday Opener, but heck, deer season has to open someday..... I would like to see a SUNDAY OPENER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters Hey, as long as deer season keeps having an opening day, I don't care, I just want to be out in the woods hunting!:-) I enjoyed having monday openers, but now that I'll probably be working, I'll like the weekend opener. Hunting on opening day is a tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Re: Southern Zone New York Hunters Whether anyone pays any attention to anything Oak Duke writes is a moot subject with me. Personally, I think he is an idiot. Back to the Monday vs. Saturday opener, one must keep in mind it was only a few years ago sunday hunting was prohibited in the southern zone. Obviously this change has lent itself to other changes. Like I said before, why not just give it a chance for a couple years then let the hunters decide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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