hunterfisherman Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question I would probably take her this time of year. I just read an article in one of the magazines that listed a study that fawn bucks that are orphaned because of hunting or whatever are very much more likely to stay in that area as they grow up. The article didn't know for sure why but said that the numbers showed those bucks didn't leave that home range. fawns are a one to one ratio so if you shoot that doe and the fawn is a buck you may be assuring you get another buck to stay on the property Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBowMan Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] I would probably take her this time of year. I just read an article in one of the magazines that listed a study that fawn bucks that are orphaned because of hunting or whatever are very much more likely to stay in that area as they grow up. The article didn't know for sure why but said that the numbers showed those bucks didn't leave that home range. fawns are a one to one ratio so if you shoot that doe and the fawn is a buck you may be assuring you get another buck to stay on the property [/ QUOTE ] I read that same article, if I can keep a buck in an area by taking that doe when the buck is a yearling, I'm going to do it. I also agree with the post above yours too, it's only a matter of ethics if you don't have tags, other than that it's personal preference...in my case if it doesn't have spots, and it's brown.....it's down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rifleman25 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question I would shoot the doe. The fawn will most likely be fine. I wopuldn't shoot the fawn for the chance that it could be a buck fawn and that isn't part of our management plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question Ethically, if the fawn doesn't have spots I don't have a problem with you taking them. I'm an old softy and can't pull the trigger on a momma with babies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] I have to agree this is not about ethics. It only becomes a question about ethics IF you dont have a legal tag issued by your states DNR to take a Doe. The issue about the fawns being able to survive on their own, by the time hunting season has begun, has been proven many times over. If I do not have a tag for a Doe..I'll sit back and enjoy natures show. If I do have a tag...I'll do the drag. [/ QUOTE ] Yep and Yeppers. I much rather would shoot the adult. Two fawns = the next years meat harvest. I'll be there at the 3D shoot BWT and I'm looking forwward to the moose stew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question Any fawn, that is passed 6 weeks of age, and on soilid food has a good chance at surviving. I have shot doe wit hfawns before. Friday morning I passed on a doe with fawns. There is nothing ethically wrong with taking a doe that has fawns. The plus side is that if the fawn is a buck, he is more likely to stay in the area, then if the mother survived to run him off. The bottom line is you made the decision not to shoot, so for you, that was the right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] The plus side is that if the fawn is a buck, he is more likely to stay in the area, then if the mother survived to run him off. [/ QUOTE ] Nice thinking there and more true than ever!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] Easy choice...if I had a doe tag and wanted a doe at that time...I would take her...fawn or no fawn. The fawn will be ok on its own. As for the spots...must be the bambi movie your momma made you watch! [/ QUOTE ] No, it's more like giving a 6 month old baby a fork and expecting it to fend for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherBadger Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] If the fawn/s still have spots, I let the momma walk. Always have and always will. [/ QUOTE ] Same here. Although it's frustrating because those does always seem to linger around the longest, taunting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherBadger Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] Of course the next choice will be as we get closer to the rut... Should I shoot the doe or not, could be a buck behind her or coming and if I shoot her I may spook the buck. Oh the choices we face... [/ QUOTE ] This happened to me last year. I was hunting during the rut, and a Doe came out of the woods. I thought i should wait, incase a buck came out. Well, after a few minutes, i said forget it, and shot the doe. Sure enough, right after that happened a buck(8 pointer) came out, and mounted the deer i just shot!!! Needless to say, i went back to camp draggin 2 deer with me that night. Moral of the story, sometimes it scares em, sometimes it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question Its up to the hunter. I would take the adult doe. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question Nah...............I personally can't shoot a doe with fawns, spotted or not. But that's just me. We are allowed 2 deer a day down here in Florida. And have 10 days to take does with a gun. My husband usually has filled the freezer by the time general gun season is in .....so I never shoot does anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question I give absolutely no consideration to fawns when I draw on a doe. There are plenty of deer around here. The fawns will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] I give absolutely no consideration to fawns when I draw on a doe. There are plenty of deer around here. The fawns will be fine. [/ QUOTE ] Ditto. I've also never seen a fawn that still had spots during the season. By the time Oct 1 rolls around, all of the fawns are about half to 3/4 the size of their mothers. I've also never seen one trying to nurse during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidd Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question i like to shoot does early so i tend to shoot does with fawns if i see one with spots i will let her pass but the majority of the time the doe is going to meet mr. muzzy JMHO nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question if Im fillin my doe tag..first doe in..fawn or no fawn..here by this time fawns are able to make it just fine...rarely do they nurse at all, much less given the chance. Spots are nearly all gone here now. Seen a doe rufuse her fawn several times last eve. and it did have visable spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Re: ethics question We have few fawns at our place right now that are still wearin spots and nursing, but generally by Oct. 1 they are old enough to take care of themselves. I would still probably pass on taking a big ol doe with a fawn. My uncle once shot a doe during Nov that had a fetus in her ,so I was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jellis Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: ethics question If the fawn is out of spots, it should be able to survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thayer Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: ethics question If those fawns have spots, you need to do a better job of doe harvesting. Late born fawns are way behind in body weights and antler growth for buck fawns. Result--Spike bucks! The main reason you have fawns with spots close to the hunting season is an out of balance herd. Way too many does getting bred way too late in the season, BAD THING!....if you see a doe with a spotted fawn, you should really concentrate your efforts on taking lots of does. It is better for you fawning efforts in the future...not just an opinion, a proven fact. But your management efforts can be different than others, so the choice is always yours. Good Hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] Easy choice...if I had a doe tag and wanted a doe at that time...I would take her...fawn or no fawn. The fawn will be ok on its own. As for the spots...must be the bambi movie your momma made you watch! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, it's more like giving a 6 month old baby a fork and expecting it to fend for itself. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry unioncountyslayer...didn't mean to offend you if I did. Just cracking a joke...thats why the smilely was there. Just don't want to confuse facts with feelings. Its ok if someone don't feel right about taking a doe with fawns...however, fact is...they can and will survive at that age without their mother. Humans and deer are very different and hard to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Re: ethics question I'm all for killing does with fawns for all the reasons given.......buttons will stay put, and fawns still in spots are a good indicator that the doe numbers are out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aitchie666 Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] Nah...............I personally can't shoot a doe with fawns, spotted or not. But that's just me. We are allowed 2 deer a day down here in Florida. And have 10 days to take does with a gun. My husband usually has filled the freezer by the time general gun season is in .....so I never shoot does anyway. [/ QUOTE ] Wot you only have 10 days a year to hunt deer with a rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdboy53 Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Re: ethics question its all up to the person holding the gun, If its a legal deer and you want it, take it. I have let some go in the past, and I have taken some in the past..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherBadger Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Re: ethics question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah...............I personally can't shoot a doe with fawns, spotted or not. But that's just me. We are allowed 2 deer a day down here in Florida. And have 10 days to take does with a gun. My husband usually has filled the freezer by the time general gun season is in .....so I never shoot does anyway. [/ QUOTE ] Wot you only have 10 days a year to hunt deer with a rifle [/ QUOTE ] Depending on the State, yes(some have several months). Wisconsin is the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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