Antler restriction poll

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I like to shoot bigger bucks, sometimes Ill wait two or three years between takig a shot at a buck, its just part of the game.Along the way Ill buy doe tags when available and keep the freezer full using those.

Would I like to see antler restrictions imposed on everyone, no chance.Most of the people who Ive had any experience dealing with that favor these type rules dont care about the overall health of the herd, know next to nothing about genetics and are under the misguided assumption that restrictions will turn every buck in the area into a record book buck in a couple years.I hunt the way I do because its my choice, I dont need the government to tell everyone they have to do it my way.Most folks that favor antler retrictions now have shot thier fill of smaller bucks in the past and gotten to the point they are willing to wait for a bigger one through experience and patience gained from killing these smaller bucks.Why should it be mandated to the younger hunters that they cant have the same learning experience the people that push these restrictions so hard already had?Not everyone hunts for the same reasons, and they shouldnt.They shouldnt have to.If you want to chase big bucks chase them, dont expect everyone else to conform to your style of hunting though.

[Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan)]

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Colorado had point restrictions for deer for a few years and still do for elk. It helped the elk tremendously, it didn't seem to be working on Muleys as much.

Beanman

[QDMAworks4me]

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I am all for AR's here in NY, I hope in the near future it is mandated. Let the little one's go so they can grow.

QDM

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

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AR's are extremely beneficial in controlling the age structure of the herd, but it IS NOT a trophy management tool. If the majority of the buck harvest in an area consists of 1.5 year old deer, then correctly implemented AR's will result in an older age class of bucks. The problem is (as several others have pointed out) that it will also protect a small percentage of geneticaly undesirable bucks who will never reach the minimum criteria for the AR and will never be harvestable. Those bucks may then pass on those undesirable antler traits to other generations.

Bottom line is that it's a great tool for growing older, more mature bucks, but it has limitations as a trophy management tool.

[OUTSIDER]

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Personally i wish WV would go to archery only, lol that will NEVER happen, We now have a few sildlife managment areas that have antler restrictions, they seem to be doing much better, not so much trophy animals, but numbers of 2-3.5 year old bucks, Its great to go on PUBLIC land and actually see an 8 point...But here in redneck ville where most of the population thinks that your not a man unless you kill an antlered buck. We in WV have too many narrow minded folk to ever have a QDMA practice put into place on a large scale. The folk next door kill anything with antlers, and as many as they can, thats why we dont have nice deer, greedy people like that.

[bulldawg]

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Personally i wish WV would go to archery only, lol that will NEVER happen, We now have a few sildlife managment areas that have antler restrictions, they seem to be doing much better, not so much trophy animals, but numbers of 2-3.5 year old bucks, Its great to go on PUBLIC land and actually see an 8 point...But here in redneck ville where most of the population thinks that your not a man unless you kill an antlered buck. We in WV have too many narrow minded folk to ever have a QDMA practice put into place on a large scale. The folk next door kill anything with antlers, and as many as they can, thats why we dont have nice deer, greedy people like that.

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It's narrow minded, greedy people like you that try to push legislation on people like me who get a small amount of time in the woods each year due to working, or just not feeling good.

Just because people don't want this type of legislation doesn't mean that they are narrow minded or greedy. I've been hunting without those restrictions for 35 years now, and the herd size keeps getting bigger every year. If you choose to do QDM on your property, or even when you hunt public by all means do so. I have no problem with the way you hunt. But don't push it on me.

Dawg

[Mirage]

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Well I am a hunter for deer and like to hunt them so I hunt them all. I may not be in the books but I am having a heck of time. Would not trade it for anything.

Qdm works on private land but where I have been hunting if you saw a buck let alone took one you were doing something that most hunters couldnt do. '

Now that im on private land maybe I could be more picky, however the land owner asks me to take them all out. So I will try

[OUTSIDER]

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[Swamphunter]

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Why everytime something comes up on antler restrictions, someone has to turn it into a fight. I am not definitely for, or against them. If you go back and read the original post, that I created, I simply said that there should be a option to select "maybe". Outsider you may have very strong opinions on antler restrictions as do others, but there is no reason to get angry with others. We have already had this discussion and this thread was not to get it started. Here... knock yourself out Antler restriction post

[OUTSIDER]

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I keep tryin to erase my post to make everyone happy

[Born2Hunt]

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I am all for AR's where I hunt but I hunt private land that is managed. I don't want to see all the small bucks get killed that we have let go over the last 5 yrs when the deer cross the fence. I believe AR's could work here in N.Y. but the state should do it's homework and develop a management plan that makes the hunters happy before they take that step. Outsider I do agree that AR's would be great but please be careful using QDM and AR's together. Some folks associate AR's with trophy hunting and not QDM. As a member of the QDMA we try to educate not legislate.

[Bowhntr]

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I missed the poll and didn't get to vote. As far as my opinion on the restrictions absolutley NOT. All point restrictions do is to protect older bucks with inferior genes while opening season on 18 month old bucks with tremendous potential. AR's are a great big dose of chlorine in the gene pool. The western states that have had AR's in place for several years have seen that they are not as effective as they first believed. A single buck limit is a much better way of increasing age structure in my opinion.

[Swamphunter]

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With proper information and it set up properly from the DEC, I could possibly be swayed rather easily. I prefer to shoot older more mature deer, but do not want to get skunked. For states that have large tracts of farmland and state lands, I tend to think AR's will work better. In areas of NY, with smaller individual tracts of land, and less farms, I think it is a useless effort as the deer get killed by dogs, harsh winters and traffic. I would love to see some bigger antlers, I am just not sure if our geography would allow it to work.

[OUTSIDER]

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And swamphunter you prove my point. You do not want to get skunked....so you shoot a spike or four point that next year could show some good potential. You fear losing man points at the check station so you shoot a spike or a 5 point, i hope you feel good about that. I would much rather shoot a doe because she tastes so much better mmmmm mmmm. Thanks for proving my point.

[Swamphunter]

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And swamphunter you prove my point. You do not want to get skunked....so you shoot a spike or four point that next year could show some good potential. You fear losing man points at the check station so you shoot a spike or a 5 point, i hope you feel good about that. I would much rather shoot a doe because she tastes so much better mmmmm mmmm. Thanks for proving my point.

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Man you got some real attitude Outsider, there is no need for personal attacks. You need to take a step back a re-read my posts. I simply stated that I wasn't sure and I could be easily swayed. For the sake of the mods I will not engage you in an arguement, but surely hope they take a look at you attempt to put down those who do not feel exactly the way you do over this issue. Now that I have made my man points I am done with defending myself to you. These forums have many different people, living in very different hunting areas with issues concerning the deer herd. There are many different opinions, which you need to remember and accept. You are the only one that is turning this into a useless thread that will eventually end up being locked by a mod.

[OUTSIDER]

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Swamphunter, you do what you want, shoot whatever you want, thats just fine. I do realize that there are many different types of people here in this site, from different states, yadda yadda yadda. But in my mind when you resort to shooting a deer just because you dont want to be skunked, well sir i just dont beleive that is hunting. That is killing for self gratification. And i think it is wrong. I would hope you dont do it but if it is legal then by all means go right a head. And....Mods...leave the post alone i'll be good and this was my last post on this one. Yeah, they needed a maybe button on the poll. There i treid to be good. And i am not tryin to start an argument.

[Swamphunter]

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I don't shoot a smaller deer for self gratification. I shoot it because I have a tag for a legal deer that I want to add to my freezer. When the state makes AR's statewide, I will obey the law to the T. Until then, I choose to wait for bigger deer (which those who know me in the forums and the contests see me take year after year). I also will put at least one legal deer in my freezer if possible as opposed to going a year without venison, no matter what anyone in some other state thinks I should do.

[Michiganbowhunter_SQ2]

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Swamphunter, you do what you want, shoot whatever you want, thats just fine. I do realize that there are many different types of people here in this site, from different states, yadda yadda yadda. But in my mind when you resort to shooting a deer just because you dont want to be skunked, well sir i just dont beleive that is hunting. That is killing for self gratification. And i think it is wrong. I would hope you dont do it but if it is legal then by all means go right a head. And....Mods...leave the post alone i'll be good and this was my last post on this one. Yeah, they needed a maybe button on the poll. There i treid to be good. And i am not tryin to start an argument.

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no outsider...thats called puting meat on the table...if you think that is "wrong" well then don't do it...the purpose of this post was simply stating that there should have been a "maybe" as one of the choices on the poll.....you turned it into a personal attack on a few people...and to me that is WRONG. people have different opinions and different ways they hunt....not everyone has to have to same outlook on hunting as you...if it comes down to taking a 4 point or 6 point or spike...then so be it...its meat in the freezer...not everyone lives in an area where they have the luxery to pick and choose what they want to shoot...if you don't like it...thats tough...keep doing what you are doing and pat yourself on the back for all of us

p.s. how much longer do you guys think this post is going to stay open? its a shame

[OUTSIDER]

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[rifleman25]

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Lock it up IMO. This thread is going no where fast. Some guys are content shooting little ones, some are content shooting does, some want the big one. To each his own. My management plan and yours are probably very different. I let a buck walk this weekend that looks like many we will see posted here this season, I chose not to because I live in an area I can be selective and thats known for producing keepers. I believe that if you want meat shoot a doe and if you have a buck or either sex tag, well then hunt for a big one. Thats my belief and I'm not forcing it one anyone. Good luck this fall, be safe and for gods sake lets get along and try to be civil.

[BowJoe]

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I think that once every 5 yrs in Illinois they should go one step further and make it a doe only season until we get the ratios back into place. I personally think that any state with an out of whack herd should do that. I don't agree that antler restrictions work because points don't mean a deer is that old or that young. If people want to save the younger deer then educate hunters on how to gauge on the hoof a deer's age. IF YOU WANT THAT. I just think that everyone should take more does and call it a day. I like the meat too much to bicker about antlers.