hoyt19 Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 100 yards- 300 grain XTP with 150 grains of 777- What do you guys think- is it worth trying to tighten up or good for the field? [image][/image] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups That is not a bad group but the gun will group tighter. What game are you planning to hunt with it ? You might want to try only 100gr of powder and a 295gr sabot, that will kill anything out there and group well. See my thread here http://www.realtree.com/forums/showflat....true#Post989070 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABS Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups Are you shooting open sights or scope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups Scopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyt19 Posted September 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups 3-9-40 simmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups with a scope I would hope that the Encore would tighten up on that ... I also would go 100 gr and I bet it significantly tightens that group Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyt19 Posted September 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups I think Ill try the 100grain tomorrow. You also have to understand that the Encore will out shoot my ablities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MZ_shooter Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups 150 grs of what, loose powder or pellets? With a 300 gr bullet it has got to be kicking the snot out of you, hard to shoot a gun accurately that way and way over loaded unless hunting say, rhino. Think about what game you are hunting, what distance you are going to shoot mostly, not what you might shoot but what shots will present themselves day to day. Most people aren’t expert marksmen, still less can shoot a gun with heavy recoil accurately. I can’t, but I can shoot a MZ capable of killing a whitetail deer within 100 yards very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyt19 Posted September 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups MZ I guess you do have a valid point about what Im shooting. I was using (3) 50 grain 777 pelets. I will be hunting whitetail, most likey within 100 yards, odd chance at a 125 yard shot. And yes it does have a stout recoil. Perhaps I should lighten the powder and bullet weight. If I was hunting Rhio I would have to go with a .500 or .600 NE though, not my Encore. Think about what game you are hunting, what distance you are going to shoot mostly, not what you might shoot but what shots will present themselves day to day. Most people aren’t expert marksmen, still less can shoot a gun with heavy recoil accurately. I can’t, but I can shoot a MZ capable of killing a whitetail deer within 100 yards very well. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tped Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups I use the 250 grain Barnes and shoot sub-moa groups with Triple 7 loose of 120 grains. Very consistent around 2216 fps. Same load shoots just as good out of my Omega also. Just my opinion but don't think you need the 300 grain for whitetails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoss Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups [ QUOTE ] Just my opinion but don't think you need the 300 grain for whitetails. [/ QUOTE ] I agree thats what I posted in the beginning 100 Grains and a 250 Shockwave or 295 Powerbelt will do the job on deer, moose or elk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MZ_shooter Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups [ QUOTE ] MZ I guess you do have a valid point about what Im shooting. I was using (3) 50 grain 777 pelets. I will be hunting whitetail, most likey within 100 yards, odd chance at a 125 yard shot. And yes it does have a stout recoil. Perhaps I should lighten the powder and bullet weight. If I was hunting Rhio I would have to go with a .500 or .600 NE though, not my Encore. Think about what game you are hunting, what distance you are going to shoot mostly, not what you might shoot but what shots will present themselves day to day. Most people aren’t expert marksmen, still less can shoot a gun with heavy recoil accurately. I can’t, but I can shoot a MZ capable of killing a whitetail deer within 100 yards very well. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, didn’t mean to offend you with the Rino comment, had a few beers and was being a smarta#$. Anyway, I’ve killed no small amount of deer with a load of 70 grs of 777 and a 250 gr Barns MZ, out to about 130 yards. Muzzleloaders kill by tissue destruction and blood loss, doesn’t matter if the bullet rips through the vitals at 1000 fps or 2000fps, the end result is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyt19 Posted September 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups Mz- not a problem, I actaully thought your comment was pretty good. The load I use to shoot out of my CVA was 100 grains of 777 with a 240 grain XTP. 2 out of the 3 deer I hit with that combo dropped in their tracks. Guess I just wanted to play around with a shoulder mounted howitzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups Hoyt19... it appears that you are "pulling" your shots, since they are grouped to the right of the target. I shoot the same load, except I use Hogdan Pyrodex and the same bullet. You should be at least touching the 2nd box. It does take some practice! When I elk hunt, I will sight in dead-on at 200 yards! And that's using my cheapy .50 cal CVA 209 and will put a group on the top of a Dr Pepper can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups From one Hoyt guy to another and a T/C guy to another, lol I would highly recommend shooting a 250 grain shockwave with around 100 grains of powder, give or take a little for your exact gun. I'm currently shooting an Omega with 2 hodgen pellets down the barrel and a 250 grain shockwave and am grouping the size of a silver dollar at 100 yards. Try this load out of your T/C and I do not think you will be disappointed. I also swab between every shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups Seems the more I see people talk powder charges the less they favor the BIG heavy hitters. I thought I needed more punch but found the same results many others have. Bigger isn't always better. All my ML's shoot better with 100 gr. than 150 gr. I dropped back to 100 gr. use a lighter bullet [ 240 ] sabot and am much happier. Less recoil etc. You don't have to be a macho man to kill a deer after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MZ_shooter Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups [ QUOTE ] Seems the more I see people talk powder charges the less they favor the BIG heavy hitters. I thought I needed more punch but found the same results many others have. Bigger isn't always better. All my ML's shoot better with 100 gr. than 150 gr. I dropped back to 100 gr. use a lighter bullet [ 240 ] sabot and am much happier. Less recoil etc. You don't have to be a macho man to kill a deer after all! [/ QUOTE ] At some point the MZ might move into the realm of high power rifles and kill by means of hydrostatic shock. Until then they still kill the same way an arrow does, blood loss. The only reason for heavy bullets and max loads is if you know your shots will come at 150 yards plus and or big game. When I started deer hunting some twenty plus years ago a 45 caliber was the norm. Again, I’ve took no small amount of deer with TC Cherokee .45 out to around 100 yards with 70 grains of FFFG black powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups You betcha A 100 grns. will kill anything you are aiming at for 100-150 yards. If the pellets don't match up with your powder load, no big deal. It seems that some complain about the few bucks extra that pellets cost over lose powder. I could never understand that Gees, how often do you shoot at deer and practice everyear ?? too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Re: TC Encore Groups my brother and i lined up his tc encore a few weeks ago and was shooting consistent one inch groups at 100 yards we were using 120 grns of loose pyrodex and tc shockwave sabots we found that any more powder and the groups widened never tried less powder. I have a tc omega and can shoot one inch groups and under with it to using 120 grns of loose pyrodex and shockwave sabots have tried various powders and bullets in the omega and loose pyrodex done the best 777 didn't impress me much as for as the shockwaves by for the most accurate bullet i have shot but are very difficult to load after you put two or three down range. the encore was 50 cal the omega was 45 cal hope this helps you get better groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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