Guest HaDeRonDa Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! Many states guess and having a check station does not guarantee that a deer will be reported and neither does a card and you bet I remember them too. LMBO. There is no way to make people report a deer. Think of the rural areas of NY and the people that live there. I'm sure there will be people that say, "Drive where? I doubt it!" Everyone has mail in this state and almost everyone has a phone but with the price of gas transporting a deer to be checked in is absurd. It's bad enough that the license fees have gone up due to hunter numbers decreasing. So check stations just help to make it a rich man's sport. It that what we want? The phone call is cheaper for the state to accept that the mailing of individual report mail return cards. Cheap is ok with me. As far as the mathmatitions doing the math. After how many years of checking in deer, then going to a mail in card followed by DECALS and managing the herd numbers. What level of proficiency is acceptable for you for determining actual herd numbers? 90% correct (trail monitors don't even do this well on a small chunk of land) 75%? 50%? 25% I bet the math formula is pretty well refined with a reasonable margin of error. You really have to look at hunter satisfaction and listen to your friends. Historically have you and your friends been more successful harvesting deer or less? If you have been more across the board isn't it safe to say that the numbers have increased? If so, does that mean the state is doing a bad job calculation numbers and managing the herd? If we are looking for a bigger herd. I realize that NY is a big state with many different types of areas to manage. It's got big woods and flat lands. It's got huge areas for hunting urban deer and as well as farmland deer. But can we really complain about numbers just because we don't have the fuzzy feeling of checking in "our" deer? At $1 per license, do you really want to take up any more of your small towns businessman's time? The cards may be easier for you and I but they were paper and those numbers had to be transcribed. DECALS is cheaper to run and faster for agents selling licenses. Might it be a pain to call? Welcome to the world of technology!!! There are pros and cons to every system and the poison is the states to pick. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! [ QUOTE ] Many states guess and having a check station does not guarantee that a deer will be reported and neither does a card and you bet I remember them too. LMBO. There is no way to make people report a deer. Think of the rural areas of NY and the people that live there. I'm sure there will be people that say, "Drive where? I doubt it!" Everyone has mail in this state and almost everyone has a phone but with the price of gas transporting a deer to be checked in is absurd. It's bad enough that the license fees have gone up due to hunter numbers decreasing. So check stations just help to make it a rich man's sport. It that what we want? The phone call is cheaper for the state to accept that the mailing of individual report mail return cards. Cheap is ok with me. As far as the mathmatitions doing the math. After how many years of checking in deer, then going to a mail in card followed by DECALS and managing the herd numbers. What level of proficiency is acceptable for you for determining actual herd numbers? 90% correct (trail monitors don't even do this well on a small chunk of land) 75%? 50%? 25% I bet the math formula is pretty well refined with a reasonable margin of error. You really have to look at hunter satisfaction and listen to your friends. Historically have you and your friends been more successful harvesting deer or less? If you have been more across the board isn't it safe to say that the numbers have increased? If so, does that mean the state is doing a bad job calculation numbers and managing the herd? If we are looking for a bigger herd. I realize that NY is a big state with many different types of areas to manage. It's got big woods and flat lands. It's got huge areas for hunting urban deer and as well as farmland deer. But can we really complain about numbers just because we don't have the fuzzy feeling of checking in "our" deer? At $1 per license, do you really want to take up any more of your small towns businessman's time? The cards may be easier for you and I but they were paper and those numbers had to be transcribed. DECALS is cheaper to run and faster for agents selling licenses. Might it be a pain to call? Welcome to the world of technology!!! There are pros and cons to every system and the poison is the states to pick. LOL [/ QUOTE ] Ya..me too. If you reread my post, I am really only complaining that the telephone (touch tone) prompting system could be set up a bit more user friendly. Maybe a bit shorter. At least the recording speaks good english I guess. That is getting tough to find anymore. I am and LEO and I am getting older, that is a recipe for "I resist change". "If you'd like to continue this call in English...please press 1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! [ QUOTE ] "If you'd like to continue this call in English...please press 1" [/ QUOTE ] LMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! [ QUOTE ] There is no way to make people report a deer. [/ QUOTE ] Actually there is, and they now have the system to do it with. If it were to be made mandatory that every license issued HAS to be reported, successful or not , it would be a real piece of cake for a computer to test licenses issued against license results reported. I think even I could write that program....lol. Having that ability, all that has to be figured out is what the appropriate penalty for not complying with the reporting law. Perhaps if your next year's license issuance was contingent on complete reporting of the current year's licenses, people might be real eager to report their license results. I could even see a system that could mail out warning notices when a certain deadline date is reached and a hunter has failed to report the results of the license or permit that was issued to them. That's not exactly rocket science. If you're going to have a reporting law, it seems reasonable that you should have a method of enforcing that law.......otherwise forget reporting completely. As far as carcass inspections that road checks get you, I'm sure that enough data can be gathered by the routine processor and taxidermist checks that they already do now to get plenty of representative info to do their studies and analysis. That's probably where all that info is coming from now. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! I have been asked by a Hunter ED instructor, who was asked by DEC to help gather info on CWD here in Rockland county WMU 3R. My pleasure to help. I am all for giving DEC ANY info they want, to make our hunts and the quality of our animals in this great state better. So what did I do yesterday... my share. I filled a doe tag in 3R. The does head and 3" of spine( what was requested) is headed for the collection spot for DEC to examine. I am glad DEC is looking ALL around the state to stomp out that dreaded disease. I think DEC is becoming a bit more progressive than they have been in the past. The special youth seasons and the saturday openers were a great way to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There is no way to make people report a deer. [/ QUOTE ] Actually there is, and they now have the system to do it with. If it were to be made mandatory that every license issued HAS to be reported, successful or not , it would be a real piece of cake for a computer to test licenses issued against license results reported. I think even I could write that program....lol. Having that ability, all that has to be figured out is what the appropriate penalty for not complying with the reporting law. Perhaps if your next year's license issuance was contingent on complete reporting of the current year's licenses, people might be real eager to report their license results. I could even see a system that could mail out warning notices when a certain deadline date is reached and a hunter has failed to report the results of the license or permit that was issued to them. That's not exactly rocket science. Doc [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you are right but then some liberal that bleeds will also want us to report every firearm and have every firearm that we have ballistically fingerprinted. I surely do not want ot be the bumb one to suggest this. So have the people created this great country or have the laws that have been created, created this great country? Across the board I bet the answer if you interviewed every hunter in NY, hoping that you would get an unbiased answer, I bet that the overall satusfaction level would be high. We can't ask here, it surely is not a microcosism of society. ..but you are right. we can MAKE anyone do anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! Actually, such a system would not really be that far out of line. It really has nothing to do with gun registration or ballistic finger-printing, but is merely a way to use systems that are already in place to enforce a law that apparently wildlife biologists think are necessary and useful. Currently, the whole management system is based on harvest data. They even go so far as to conjure up "reporting rate" factors based on what appears to be some rather potentially bogus telephone samplings and processor locker surveys. We already have the law on the books that makes it a legal responsibility to report harvests. The fact that they never prosecute this violation when they find it in their surveys conveys a clear message to hunters that it is not really necessary to comply with the law. Is there actually some reason why we should ignore the enforcement of that particular law? Encouraging people to get away with breaking our game laws is not really a great situation. If a law is worth having on the books, it is worth enforcing. Otherwise, eliminate the requirement completely and find some other way to manage the herd. [ QUOTE ] So have the people created this great country or have the laws that have been created, created this great country? [/ QUOTE ] Actually this is a country of laws. Not all good but thank God for the ones that are. [ QUOTE ] Across the board I bet the answer if you interviewed every hunter in NY, hoping that you would get an unbiased answer, I bet that the overall satusfaction level would be high. [/ QUOTE ] That is certainly debateable. It's one of those statements we will never be able to prove or disprove, but I haven't really run into any hunters that in the course of 15 minutes of conversation, will not have at least one negative comment on the herd management. Heck, hunters can't even agree with each other about management issues. For the most part, hunters are a very difficult bunch to satisfy. I've attended quite a few DEC meetings with hunters and believe me, there is not a lot of love in the room....lol. Actually when is the last time we have heard anyone praising the efforts of the DEC. One would think that with all those hunters who are satisfied with deer management activities, one or two positive comments would occasionally slip out. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Re: *%^(*&^! DECALS! [ QUOTE ] Actually, such a system would not really be that far out of line. It really has nothing to do with gun registration or ballistic finger-printing, but is merely a way to use systems that are already in place to enforce a law that apparently wildlife biologists think are necessary and useful. [/ QUOTE ] If you think so. [ QUOTE ] So have the people created this great country or have the laws that have been created, created this great country? [/ QUOTE ] Haderonda [ QUOTE ] Actually this is a country of laws. Not all good but thank God for the ones that are. [/ QUOTE ]-Doc I posted that tid bit to to see where you sit the fence politically. It's a great poly-sci question. LMBO [ QUOTE ] Across the board I bet the answer if you interviewed every hunter in NY, hoping that you would get an unbiased answer, I bet that the overall satusfaction level would be high. [/ QUOTE ]-Haderonda [ QUOTE ] That is certainly debateable. [/ QUOTE ]-Doc Isn't everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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