johnf Posted October 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. You're obviously blind to the truth, further discussion will be fruitless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] You're obviously blind to the truth, further discussion will be fruitless. [/ QUOTE ] Promise??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] You're obviously blind to the truth, further discussion will be fruitless. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, you're right, I'm the blind one. Anyway, haven't your posts been fruitless up to this point. the only thing you've really accomplished with your points is exposing yourself as judgemental and hateful...ironically enough, those are two things the Christian doctrine constantly preaches against. I'm not sure you'll be able to think unbiasly enough to see it this way, but from my vantage point, that's a real head scratcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest INHunterman Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. Since when is being against something immoral being hateful? I'm opposed to what homosexuals do but I don't hate them. All anyone needs to do is show the gays the error of their ways and correct them. Shunning them doesn't accomplish anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] All anyone needs to do is show the gays the error of their ways and correct them. [/ QUOTE ] you ever think people just might be happy with who they are and just might not want you trying to "help" them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhiskeyMan44 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. How do we show them the error of their ways? Hold protests with large signs that say "Homosexuality is a sin" and cause a huge confrontation ending in only resentment from both sides? I dont wanna pull out the "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" line, but I'll do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUGARKAHNE Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You're obviously blind to the truth, further discussion will be fruitless. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, you're right, I'm the blind one. Anyway, haven't your posts been fruitless up to this point. the only thing you've really accomplished with your points is exposing yourself as judgemental and hateful...ironically enough, those are two things the Christian doctrine constantly preaches against. I'm not sure you'll be able to think unbiasly enough to see it this way, but from my vantage point, that's a real head scratcher. [/ QUOTE ] The only one who seems to be hateful and judgemental is you, the way you're attacking everyone who doesn't agree with you. I think everyone should at least have the decency to respond respectfully in the discussion and not try to run anyone else down just because they have convictions and are willing to stand up for them. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] The only one who seems to be hateful and judgemental is you, the way you're attacking everyone who doesn't agree with you. I think everyone should at least have the decency to respond respectfully in the discussion and not try to run anyone else down just because they have convictions and are willing to stand up for them. JMO. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not the one creating these posts, comparing gay people to necrophiliacs and blaming them for for how much my health insurance is etc...etc... Right then are there respect went right out the window. Stand up for your convictions and I'll back you up. Use your convictions to view yourself superior to others and I'll run you down...everyday of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] I get that it goes against your Christian beliefs. But how is it destructive? I mean, if two gay people get together does an A bomb go off or something? Earthquakes happen? What? [/ QUOTE ] Interesting that you should mention "A bomb". Ever hear of Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome? Pretty destructive stuff on a case-by-case level........but also extremely destructive to an economy. The burden that this single behavior-induced disease puts on the healthcare and healthcare insurance industries is staggering. If you still don't think it affects you............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] yeah, you're right, I'm the blind one. Anyway, haven't your posts been fruitless up to this point. [/ QUOTE ] We do agree on that point. While my points are valid your obvious love of the world's moral ambiguity seem to be stronger at this point. Time for me to brush my feet off and move on. I'll see you in another room where we can be constructive together. jf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. MUGGS "Right then are there respect went right out the window. Stand up for your convictions and I'll back you up. Use your convictions to view yourself superior to others and I'll run you down...everyday of the week." Are people not standing up for their convictions and beliefs on this thread? You are not supporting them, you are standing up for your cowardly stance on nothing, accept convicting people for standing up for their morals. You will not stand against anything that does not affect you and fail to see just how much the wrongs in society are affecting you. This is finacially and morally depreciating you as a person. People have tried to open your eyes and clue you in but you remain close minded to things that do not affect you at this moment. Wonder how much you mind will change when you get slapped in the face by the life styles that you are turning a blind eye too. Respect for you is almost out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaCoyote Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] "Not only is homosexuality normal and natural, but it's actually preferable to heterosexuality. It so preferable that we will give homosexuals a better deal so that they can make more money than the lesser heterosexuals." [/ QUOTE ] Very well said. Interesting way to look at it! Very good point!!! Pretty good points on both sides. I think I'll stay out of this one this time though. Last time I tried to explain something I got called anti christian for trying to make a point. Kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. Sorry Muggs, gonna have to leave you out in the cold this time, besides there are far more important things that exist in this world which are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more important than whether some guy is gay or not. War in Iraq, Korea has Nukes, Iran wants Nukes, possible terrorist nukes in the states, school shootings, pedophile predators, drugs, gangs.......... I'm sure there's a couple more. But I can't remember now because after reading these posts I'm beginning to think that someone being gay threatens me more than any other modern day issue. Geuss I didn't stay out of it. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] Everytime we are exposed to anything (good or bad) it changes us in some way. [/ QUOTE ] Only if YOU allow it to change you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Everytime we are exposed to anything (good or bad) it changes us in some way. [/ QUOTE ] Only if YOU allow it to change you. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with that 100%! Only YOU can control it and if you can't, then I feel sorry for you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. But if we don't control it then it does change our perspective. Children and young adults are and growing up in an environment where the media is raising them, and if we as parents don't give them a moral road to walk and actively keep them on it, they will find the path that the world so boldly set out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] Children and young adults are and growing up in an environment where the media is raising them, [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, but the media has nothing directly to do with my childrens raising. I will continue to raise my children by my own morals and values. If your kid is in front of a tv and learning from there instead of from you, then you are not being a parent. Unfortunatley though in one sense you are right John. Many people out there are letting televisions and video games raise their kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. LMAO...man, I'm not sure where to start. I could go on and on, but I'll just summarize what I've learned by reading the latest posts. 1. Elwood, don't quote me unless you actually read and comprehend what I wrote. 2. Strut, now only gay people get AIDS? I guess someone should tell that to the people living in Africa. Actually, I'm sure some of you have already condemned them long ago due to their "immoral culture" or some other contrived label you chose. 3. You guys want to blame everyone else for your inability to parent. 4. And the most important thing I've learn in the last few minutes....drum roll here fellas....my line of thinking is about 100-150 years more advanced than most of the people who've been trying to debate me. And on that note, I'll leave you all to your own devices...as scary as that may be. Oh yeah, one more thing. If a guy named Jim Jones asked you if you're thirsty...don't drink the Kool-Aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. For what it's worth, I agree with everything John has said. It does effect us, our children, and our children's children, etc, whether we want it to or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] For what it's worth, I agree with everything John has said. It does effect us, our children, and our children's children, etc, whether we want it to or not. [/ QUOTE ] Buckee & John, you have to be kidding me! Don't you have any control over your lives??? Man, I sure don't let these things "control" what I do or how I feel! I guess I have too much "control" over my life as to what I want and when I want it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For what it's worth, I agree with everything John has said. It does effect us, our children, and our children's children, etc, whether we want it to or not. [/ QUOTE ] Buckee & John, you have to be kidding me! Don't you have any control over your lives??? Man, I sure don't let these things "control" what I do or how I feel! I guess I have too much "control" over my life as to what I want and when I want it! [/ QUOTE ] If I knew what you were talking about..I'd try to answer ya ...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] 2. Strut, now only gay people get AIDS? [/ QUOTE ] Nope. But Wal-Mart has yet to start giving preferential treatment to intravenous drug users....so far as I know. [ QUOTE ] 4. And the most important thing I've learn in the last few minutes....drum roll here fellas....my line of thinking is about 100-150 years more advanced than most of the people who've been trying to debate me. [/ QUOTE ] Sometimes modernity and "progression" are not preferrable to good old-fashioned Christian morals. I don't like kool-Aid, anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] I don't like kool-Aid, anyways. [/ QUOTE ] I like the blue kool-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] Buckee & John, you have to be kidding me! Don't you have any control over your lives??? Man, I sure don't let these things "control" what I do or how I feel! I guess I have too much "control" over my life as to what I want and when I want it! [/ QUOTE ] Ok let's change the subject to pornography. If I've never purchased it watched it or seen it I would have a certain perspective on women and sex. If I started watching and reading it every day my perspective would change. Even if I tried to not let it affect me, it would. If I saw a woman who might resemble one in a magizine or on a video my mind would probibly wander back to those images and I would see that woman in a different perspective. She would be harmed because my image of her would be one of degridation and shame or one of desire and imorality rather than of the respect that I should have of her. She may not realize it or ever be affected by it, but the harm would be there. It's the same with everything else. That's why brainwashing works. If you see the image enough, it changes your reality. "THERE ARE 3 LLIGHTS!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. Well Buckee, if you don't understand, I just don't let things like this affect me or control who and what I am! JohnF, when I read what you are saying, you must not have too much "CONTROL" over your own mind if things like that are going to be a factor down the road from looking a picture, a video or someone dancing in front of you! I don't let any of this crap affect or control me! If I see it and if I don't like it, I forget it!! It seems you two are real easily influenced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Yes it does affect you. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't like kool-Aid, anyways. [/ QUOTE ] I like the blue kool-aid. [/ QUOTE ] that made me laugh!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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