missouri hunter Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... I AGREE, HE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, AND NO IT IS NOT MY TREE, BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT HIS EITHER. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING SOMEONE IN TROUBLE OVER TREE PEGS. IT BOTHERS ME THAT HE USED THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO, BUT THAT IS HIS DEAL NOT MINE. I THINK I AM GOING TO LEAVE HIM A LITTLE NOT ASKING HIM TO AT LEAST REOMOVE THE PEGS SO I CAN PUT A CLIMBER UP UNDER HIS STAND, BUT HOW DUMB IS THAT, NOW I AM IN A STAND UNDER A STAND?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... here in illinois you are not able to put permanent stands up on public grounds, only climbers, i really dont have a right answer here theres its ups and downs, you could possibly check into asking a game warden, i tell you this duck hunting here in illinois i have 2 blinds on the river and the river would be public hunting, right, well if i do not occupy my duck blind by half hour before shooting light, any individual can legally hunt it if they choose, i dont know if that could have anything to do with this but maybe check with game warden, maybe if the stand is not occupied by certain time it might be perfectly legal to hunt, wouldnt hurt to ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missouri hunter Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... I have a blind on Dresser and a blind on Stagg here in MO, not bad hunting DU Man. 10/28 and we will be chasing birds, anyway thanks for the perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... WHAT IF.....the DNR came along while you were sitting in his stand, noticed the pegs and wrote you up for a wildlife violation? The DNR wouldn't care that it was someone else's stand, if they would even believe it the first place. If you were in it, you were the one violating the law. Again, this is just a WHAT IF? All the more reason I would have left and went somewhere else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... My opinion still stands. Whether he was in the right or wrong it is still his property and that is something I was taught to respect. I think this is more of a moral issue then a "Legal issue." Personally I wouldn't help myself to anyones property right, wrong, or indifferent. If I caught a stand on our place in an area people aren't allowed to hunt I would take it down, especially if it were in my favorite hunting area but on public land its first come first serve. Im sure he pays his taxes just like the rest of us therefore if he hasn't broken any laws that seem major enough to contact the DNR he has the right to that tree IMHO. You've been hunting that tree for roughly 5-years (gathered from your post above) how do you know you didn't rob that tree from someone else? What if someone was hunting that tree and walked in once and noticed you then left quietly. Did you rob them of their hunting opportunity or did you have the right to be there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... This is from a person who hunts public ground alot. If it's legal to mount a permanent treestand, you have no leg to stand on. It's public land. To use someone elses perm. stand, if it's legal, use at your own risk. No one owns a hunting area on public land. Anyone who builds a perm. stand on public land is STUPID IMHO. Why advertise an area like that I have no idea. It must be a good area to put forth the effort to build a stand, DUH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskybnd Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... imop PUBLIC LAND IS FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, but i realy dont know how i would react to someone sitting in my stand and i would hate to think about it, but only a fool would leave is stand on public land, in your case i wouldnt have sat in his, but maybe under it, and just becouse im me , i would have taken the rest of the steps out before i left. and left a note that i could have stolen it. i hate hunting public land becouse of issues like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... This is from YOUR MDC WEBSITE: Tree stands placed on Conservation Department areas Only portable tree stands may be placed or used only between Sept. 1 and Jan. 31 on Conservation Department areas. Unattended stands must be plainly labeled on durable material with the full name and address or Conservation I.D. number of the owner and be removed from the area before Feb. 1. Use of nails, screw-in steps or any material that would damage the tree is prohibited. As far as what you did I dont have a problem with personally...I know that if I leave one of my stands on Public Hunting Ground I am saying that anyone can use it if they find it...and I'm not in it. They had better leave from it as well if they are there when I get there. If they refuse I'll simply start taking it down(I'd be the one with the keys to the locks that are on the chains). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... [ QUOTE ] This is from YOUR MDC WEBSITE: Tree stands placed on Conservation Department areas Only portable tree stands may be placed or used only between Sept. 1 and Jan. 31 on Conservation Department areas. Unattended stands must be plainly labeled on durable material with the full name and address or Conservation I.D. number of the owner and be removed from the area before Feb. 1. Use of nails, screw-in steps or any material that would damage the tree is prohibited. As far as what you did I dont have a problem with personally...I know that if I leave one of my stands on Public Hunting Ground I am saying that anyone can use it if they find it...and I'm not in it. They had better leave from it as well if they are there when I get there. If they refuse I'll simply start taking it down(I'd be the one with the keys to the locks that are on the chains). [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this 100%. If he left it there, as far as I am concerned, he is running the risk that someone else may use the stand. I also do not feel there is any reason for you to be upset with him over it. It is Public Hunting land. I would label the stand with a metal plate welded to it with your name on it, as in NYS, you leave something like that on public land not marked as to who the owner is...you'd have a tough time proving ownership when it comes up missing. It may actually be leagl defined as "abandoned". Be careful with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... In Connecticut, it is perfectly legal to hang a stand on state land, and to use screw in steps. Between me, and my bro, we have around a dozen stands, all on state land. They are all either hang ons with steps, or ladders. We have a ton of time into scouting, hanging and trimming our stands. I have yet to have someone steal or damage a stand, or find someone else using it. I will be extremeely ticked off the day either happens. I happen across stands in the woods all the time. I wouldn't think of damaging, stealing, or even using someone elses stand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... After thinking over my response for awhile I still feel the same way...the only thing I could see is where the user of an Illegally Hung Treestand(by the state laws concerning this- using the Screw in Steps) could have been held responsible by a Game Warden and fined. IMHO the Game Warden probably would have looked on whoever he found using the stand as the user condoning the way the stand was placed. I really dont care who uses my stands placed on Public Hunting Lands...thats part of the risk and I accept that. Stealing it would be a completely different story. Thats why when I hang and leave a stand on Public Hunting Lands I even go as far as leaving one of the old style Waist Belts for someone to use if they find it and hunt out of it. The way I figure it is while the stand is chained and locked anyone who really wants to steal it could bring what they needed to do so. So in turn I attempt to give them every reason not to. I leave a small note on the seat in a ziploc bag as well: "I dont mind if you hunt from this treestand but Please dont steal it. Be as safe as possible, Please use the safety belt, and good luck hunting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddyboman Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... Well its public land so anyone has the right to any tree or area. As for his stand, as long as its legally attached to the tree, yup I would use it. If he/she comes to get in the stand, then get out and go on. It is THEIR stand, but if they are not there to use it then its fair game. I would much rather come to MY stand seeing you using it, rather than seeing you taking it down to take home. If you dont wanna use his stand, the use your climber and climb up to his stand that way you are not in his stand but using a PUBLIC tree. Congrats on the doe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer2295 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... Each state is different on their laws on public hunting property. It may be illegal in one state, but legal in another. I understand you being upset, and i might have been also, but look at it from the other side. Maybe this guy could not afford a tree stand and he got scrap wood and made a stand. Maybe he is just trying to feed his family. Who knows what the situation may be. If you feel it is illegal, notify your local dnr office and find out. They will tell you for sure. At least you did score on a doe and thats great. Congrats to you on putting some venison in the freezer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... a few years ago in Minnesota, my buddy's dad built a stand on public land. The first day was no problem, that evening, there was someone else in my stand, so I found another stand. The guy who built that stand walked up and asked if I would get down from his stand. I said "Sure, if you tell the guy who is sitting in my stand to leave." he walked off, ticked off. Public land is rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... So what you all are saying is that if you happen upon a stand on public land, even though it isn't yours, it's fair game to sit in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... Gator legal and ethical are 2 different things here. The stand is possession of nobody as long as it is on that tree and nobody is in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... [ QUOTE ] Gator legal and ethical are 2 different things here. The stand is possession of nobody as long as it is on that tree and nobody is in it. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I guess my daddy taught me right then.....Ther is NO WAY I would get in anyone elses stand, or even hunt that same area. Heck, I wanna hunt an area in the WMA by the house, but there is someone hunti ng there, I need to talk to them and find out where they are so that if they aren't there, I can hunt in and not disturb them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... I don't mind hunting in an area where someone else is as long as I have 100 or so yards between us. Personally I don't hunt other peoples stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksbowhntr77 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... [ QUOTE ] I AGREE, HE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, AND NO IT IS NOT MY TREE, BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT HIS EITHER. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING SOMEONE IN TROUBLE OVER TREE PEGS. IT BOTHERS ME THAT HE USED THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO, BUT THAT IS HIS DEAL NOT MINE. I THINK I AM GOING TO LEAVE HIM A LITTLE NOT ASKING HIM TO AT LEAST REOMOVE THE PEGS SO I CAN PUT A CLIMBER UP UNDER HIS STAND, BUT HOW DUMB IS THAT, NOW I AM IN A STAND UNDER A STAND?????? [/ QUOTE ] How else do you think he's going to get in the tree other than ladders? At least he can take the screw in steps out when he's done and not kill the tree. He could have nailed spikes in the tree. JMHO You also have to remember on public land, you are hunting with a broad range of experienced people, starters to seasoned hunters, please be patient with them, after all, our numbers are already few, don't make it fewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Re: What to do? and What I did....... it is illegal to hang permanent stands in iowa as well.. i would try to catch him and make the deal if the other is not there... the other can hunt... the same thing happened to me and we talked and worked out a time share.. hahah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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