popgun Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... I am not going to argue with you carbonhunter because you may be right about your Honda Civic Hybrid being assembled in the U.S.A.. It is true that there are Honda Civics are being assembled in the U.S.A. but I cannot find one single Hybrid. If the first digit in your VIN is a 1 or 4 or 5 it is assembled here. If it begins with a 2 it's Canada, 3 Mexico, and J it is Japan. I have checked with every Honda Dealer in this State on the web-site and have not found even 1 hybrid made in the U.S.A. Did they start assembling them here just this year? I don't know, I'm asking. If you will check the UAW web-page, you will see that the UAW does not build Honda. I do not know if they have a union in their plant, but it is evidently not the UAW. http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2004.cfm I am not trying to argue. I am trying to inform and at the same time get information. I might learn something new. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted December 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... I believe the plant is in Lyma, Oh?? but im not positive first digit on the vin is 3 so it is built here. Finding the hybred is a SERIOUS pain in the butt,One of my close friends father is a big wig with honda and we had to go threw him to get it.The dealership told us he wouldnt be able to order one until next month. my mom got on the hybred kick last year and they special ordered in june?? we just recieved it last week, sweet little car and dosnt have the lag that most hybreds do. My dad works for the AFL-CIO so buying cars made on foriegn soil is a HUGE no no, we have passed on several american man. due to the fac t that the actuall car is made south of the border, we have two civics. I use mine for almost everything hunting included, you should see the looks at check stations when i pop the trunk to reveal a big buck or doe...talk about a trunk monkey. My point wasnt to argue about where cars where made or the such, just that every little bit helps when we are talking about the enviroment, its something i think alot of the older outdoorsman dont think about and it makes me angry sometimes, we may have the guns to hunt with but will I be able to pass the tradition on to my kids or will there be no where for them to hunt?? I know my car still has gas,steel and rubber, but it gets 31 miles to the gallon, the hybred gets almost 70. I think that is an improvment over the 10 my Ford Bronco got. i didnt mean to jump on ya but after some of the replies i got i get the feeling that its one of those "if it dosnt effect me i dont care things", we as hunters should be the enviroments biggest stewerd, not its biggest pimp. .....Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... "I believe the plant is in Lyma, Oh?? but im not positive first digit on the vin is 3 so it is built here." I think we have both made our points. Congratulations on your "Mexican" Honda Civic Hybrid. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Buy a BMW, they make those in South Carolina, don't buy a Chrysler PT Cruiser, those are assembled in Mexico. I've been to GM and Ford plants in Canada and the US and driven auto parts and tires to Texas on their way to Mexico, I'd prefer all the plants be here, but what can you do. As far as fish are concerned, a pregnant woman in here in NC can't eat one bit of fish pulled from a river and kids can't eat but a little, the male fish in Colorado are becoming Hermaphrodites cuz of all the estrogen in the water from sewage runoff. I fail to see how the Clinton Admins policies are responsible for an act of God regarding the wildfires in California, unless Bill Clinton controls the Santa Ana winds and a bolt of lightning, and it's great Bush has set aside some desert land in Nevada, I guess he figures it'll make up for the wildlife and terrain that could possibly be destroyed if he gets his wish and begins drilling in the Artic National Wildlife refuge. I realize though that Bush commands near God-like respect in here though, he could ban guns, have an affair, admit to actively snorting cocaine, and drive a car off a dock killing his secretary, and most of ya'll would probably still vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Carbonhunter...kudos to your family on the hybrid. popgun.... I dont understand the statement about "Mexican" please elaborate. Yawn... to the arguement about what you drive and use to heat. This is not about me or you.(no one in particular so dont feel honored) It is about the future of this country. Other countries will be smart enough to work on alternative energy resources which will replace oil. They will have the jobs and also the riches and my grandchildren will be living in a third world country. We have the intelligence and manpower to develop these now but they are not encouraged. But too many just are thinking of themsleves or are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Nut: If the VIN begins with the digit 1 or 4 or 5 it is assembled in America. If the first digit begins with 2 it is Canada, 3 Mexico, J is Japan. He said his hybrid started with a 3. I hope this explains my last comment. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Thanks.... I didnt know about the vin numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Ok, I cant believe Im reading this post correctly.i think sometimes you guys disagree with carbonhunter and slugshooter just to be arguing.regardless of what magazine/newspaper you get your information out of the fact remains.Rivers are being polluted, some you cant eat the fish out of, habitat is dissapearing, and once its gone its not easily replaced.Bush is in a position to change some of these things, and he doesnt always put the enviroment before big industries.During the election I felt he was the better choice, but it doesnt mean hes doing everything right.He claims to be a friend to sportsmen, and I believe him up to a point, but the same industries he stands behind have always been some of the hardest ones on the enviroment.Im sure youve all noticed some of these things so im gonna guesse you arguing just to be arguing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Tips to understanding your vehicles serial (VIN) number They are as follows: 1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was manufactured. For example: U.S.A.(1or4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K), England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z) 2nd character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A), BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler©, Dodge(B), Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A), Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3), Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V). 3rd character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division. 4th to 8th characters- Identifies vehicle features such as body style, engine type, model, series, etc. 9th character- Identifies VIN accuracy as check digit. 10th character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J), 1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994®, 1995(S), 1996(T), 1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3) 11th character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle. 12th to 17th characters- Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for production as it rolled of the manufacturers assembly line. Understanding the cars vehicle identification number has become very popular with car collectors for new and old vehicles alike. Collectors can confirm a vehicles uniqueness, collectability and date of production. Consider this- owning one of the last cars off the assembly line for a certain year or model or how about owing one of the first 50 of a new model off the assembly line. Car collecting has become an immense world wide hobby/business and knowing how to read and understand a VIN is a very important aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] Other countries will be smart enough to work on alternative energy resources which will replace oil. They will have the jobs and also the riches and my grandchildren will be living in a third world country. We have the intelligence and manpower to develop these now but they are not encouraged. But too many just are thinking of themsleves or are you? [/ QUOTE ] I agree totally, we have synthetic oil. we have cars that run on electricity, ethanol and even propane but the major oil companies are still choosing for us what we put in our cars, we have the technology right now to immensely reduce our dependency on oil, foreign or otherwise, but it is not being utilized or pushed for, especially under the current administration and never will be, I see gas prices have dropped over the last month or so, at least here they have, not sure about anywhere else. The fact remains that as long as we don't push for safer fuels or alternative energy sources, there will be massive oil drilling and spills just like the one in the Delaware River a couple of weeks ago, our forests will be depleted and our mountains will be gutted for their coal, not too mention eventually we'll only be able to eat farm raised fish cause all the fish will have both sex parts and maybe a couple extra eyes, who knows. Unless some drastic changes are made, I shudder to think what our environment will be like in 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotupdeer Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... The argument over where cars are made is absurd. Most GM vehicles are made in Canada. Most Ford vehicles made in Mexico iirc. And the majority of Honda, Nissan, Toyota's and BMW's? Right here in America. Time and time again the American based companies many of you support give a big FU to the American worker and find places where they can get labor for cheap. Yet you continue to support a party that gets down on its knees with its mouth open for these same companies all at the same time talking about being for the average blue collar American. As for the environment. How can you sit there and argue about what is going on. Amphibians are one of the key indicators of the state of an ecosystem. All across America frog numbers are down. Fish have record numbers of toxins because of the pollution caused by large factories. Deforestation by logging companies has done more damage to our ecosystem in the last 100 years than anything. Only recently has replanting become common. We have the technology to find cleaner, more efficient ways of production, but do we? No. I do know this however, if we don't do something soon, we will suffer. Not Japan, not Mexico, not Canada, America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] Rivers are being polluted, some you cant eat the fish out of, habitat is dissapearing, and once its gone its not easily replaced.Bush is in a position to change some of these things, and he doesnt always put the enviroment before big industries.During the election I felt he was the better choice, but it doesnt mean hes doing everything right.He claims to be a friend to sportsmen, and I believe him up to a point, but the same industries he stands behind have always been some of the hardest ones on the enviroment.Im sure youve all noticed some of these things so im gonna guesse you arguing just to be arguing [/ QUOTE ] Think you are right Steve. Guess it would be a bit boring down here without having something to argue about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... Ok, but Im not Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... And I'm not Horst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... WOW - I musta downloaded treehuggers.com?!?! Hang on a second, maybe we’re looking at this from the wrong angle. Let’s look at the whole thing here before we start stringing up the rope. From our “left side brothers” here we’ve had an argument for the whole year that “employment” was the biggest concern. Bush is at fault because X isn’t working or isn’t making the money they deserve etc, etc, etc. Now we all know that employment is getting a lot better – the population has grown significantly over the past 10 years and unemployment is now better than it ever was under the God Administration in the 90’s. So what do we now do? We find something else to complain about and that’s the environment and it’s Bush’s fault. TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY PEOPLE! It’s not Bush’s fault IT’S OUR FAULT! IT’S OUR FAULT THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED COMPANIES TO POLUTE OUR STREAMS AND IT’S OUR FAULT THAT WE HAVEN’T DEMANDED THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY BE INTRODUCED THAT WILL ALLOW FOR CLEANER BURNING FUELS AND IT’S OUR PROBLEM TO CLEAN UP! Look at the people around you, your family and friends and ask the question “who do I know that recycles?” My guess is you know more that don’t than does! How many people around you carpool? How many people do you know that get envolved in local cleanup programs? The list goes on and on and on and you really have one person to blame and that’s the person looking back at you in the mirror. But yet, you want Bush to lay the law down to save our asses…..WE NEED TO LAY THE LAW DOWN PEOPLE! But we won’t for fear of being labeled and classified under the “tree huggers” or the “bunny huggers” or the “friends of the owl”. Get over it and go out this week and hug a **** tree! Heck, plant a few tree’s, it won’t kill you and it may just provide a habitat for some bird that wants to raise young birds! Look at it this way. Would you rather Bush create laws and take away freedoms or would you rather take things in your hands and get it done? Hybrid cars won’t save salmon and land grabs won’t reduce pollution. This is a problem that everyone has to get on board with or it will fail and right now there are too many groups in this country that are only concerned with their petty little problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... PH, you got some good points there and no Bush cant be held responsible for everything.And everyone should do thier part.But hes is in a position to do something with millions of acres of acres of land, thats more land then me or you could hope to help out in a lifetime.So should we drill for more oil in Alaska or leave it the way it is?Who decides that? It sure isnt us.You talk about laying down the law but apparently questioning the presidents policies on things that affect the enviroment are out of bounds, thats kind of contradicting itself.I agree with a lotta what you say but the president can save or ruin more acres of land with one decision then we will ever have access to in a lifetime, some of his decisions do deserve a little scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] Now we all know that employment is getting a lot better – the population has grown significantly over the past 10 years and unemployment is now better than it ever was under the God Administration in the 90’s. [/ QUOTE ] Where is it getting better, and spare me statistic this and statistic that, employment here sucks and had only gotten worse.Black and Decker shipped 300 jobs overseas, Kelly-Springfield is expanding and creating 2 jobs, a Humvee repair plant just cut workers, a plastic bottle making plant, DAK Americas, is expanding but not creating jobs, we've got some company coming in a couple years that is gonna convert pig fat into something useful, that will create 17 jobs if I read the story correctly. We've got 4 Wal-Mart Supercenters, 1 Regular Wal-Mart and a Distribution Center, outside of the military they are this counties largest employer, just think of all those mimimun wage jobs people have(excluding the DC) employment may be up(somewhere) but the poverty level is also up, Wal-Mart can only build so much, eventually everyone will be working for them in some way shape or form it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] employment here sucks and had only gotten worse [/ QUOTE ] You have stated that employment sucks where you're at but you refuse to look anywhere else. Sorry to be so cold, but if you continue to stand in the fire - don't complain to me about getting burned. I grew up in North Carolina, I love North Carolina and hopefully I'll return to North Carolina someday. But I had to make a decission several years ago and that was either stay in a place that offered little earnings or move to a place that I could get a head. I moved and I'm now one of those SOB's you refer to as making too much money, driving SUV's and living in large homes. But I made a decission to what would be the best for my family and myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] employment here sucks and had only gotten worse [/ QUOTE ] You have stated that employment sucks where you're at but you refuse to look anywhere else. Sorry to be so cold, but if you continue to stand in the fire - don't complain to me about getting burned. I grew up in North Carolina, I love North Carolina and hopefully I'll return to North Carolina someday. But I had to make a decission several years ago and that was either stay in a place that offered little earnings or move to a place that I could get a head. I moved and I'm now one of those SOB's you refer to as making too much money, driving SUV's and living in large homes. But I made a decission to what would be the best for my family and myself. [/ QUOTE ] Not complaining, just stating facts. I have no desire to move and really don't want to. I am happy where I am at, happy with my job and happy with my free tuition at a 20K a year private college. You've got an SUV, congrats, so do I. The fact remains that the rising employment rates that you like to quote so often as an indicator of our booming economy and Bush's God-like status do not exist here and the rising poverty level is an indication that the economy sucks and it takes more than 100 new minimum wage jobs to make up for the good ones that have been lost to other countried. Maybe I will move, after I get my free college diploma, then I can go to Washington and work on policies that you guys hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] Ok, but Im not Steve [/ QUOTE ] Oops . LOL . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] some of his decisions do deserve a little scrutiny. [/ QUOTE ] DING DING DING DING DING give horst a cigar for understanding what it means to be a American hunter . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] Not complaining, just stating facts [/ QUOTE ] No I don't think you are. Do you realize that North Carolina is on a very short list of states that have cut unemplyment the most in the past two years? The rate topped out at 7% several times in 2002 and is now (Nov numbers) down to 4.4%! Take all the people that are on unemployment that really don't care to work and you can probably cut that number significantly! Look, there are things that Bush has done that I don't agree with however when I hear people moan and cry that everything wrong in today's society is the fault of a President then I have to shake my head in disbelief at the irr-responsibilities road that a lot of people are taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] ........and Bush's God-like status do not exist here and the rising poverty level is an indication that the economy sucks....... [/ QUOTE ] Hard to imagine that W won the popular vote by 13% in such desperate times in your state.........John Edwards' state. Maybe there's a lot of folks down that way who don't see their futures as dismally as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ........and Bush's God-like status do not exist here and the rising poverty level is an indication that the economy sucks....... [/ QUOTE ] Hard to imagine that W won the popular vote by 13% in such desperate times in your state.........John Edwards' state. Maybe there's a lot of folks down that way who don't see their futures as dismally as you think. [/ QUOTE ] Or a lot of people with no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Re: Sportsman for bush... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ........and Bush's God-like status do not exist here and the rising poverty level is an indication that the economy sucks....... [/ QUOTE ] Hard to imagine that W won the popular vote by 13% in such desperate times in your state.........John Edwards' state. Maybe there's a lot of folks down that way who don't see their futures as dismally as you think. [/ QUOTE ] Or a lot of people with no sense. [/ QUOTE ] Bet thats it, the majority of the people in your state are wrong and your right, how could they be so stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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