tallone Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 My friend is trying to decide which rifle to get for his daughter it's between a 30 30 and a 243. Which one kicks harder I think it would be a 243 but I'm not positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? I just ran the rough numbers for a 100 gr. .243 factory load and a 150 gr. 30-30 factory load both fired from a 7 1/2 lb. rifle. They are identical at 12 lbs. of recoil @ 10 fps. I threw in a 140 gr. .260 Rem. load (which is IMHO a FAR superior choice). It comes in at 15 lbs. recoil @ 11 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? The .243 really is not bad for a kid. My oldest daughter is pretty small, and she shoots a .243. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? If I had a choice, I would get the 243! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? I would go with the 243. Recoil isn't enough in my 30-30 and 243 to notice much, but the 243 has a lot more range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? Neither on has much recoil. However the .243 is available in more rifle styles than the .30-30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? I'd start her out shooting a 22 LR first, then work up to the 243 (or whatever you choose). Let them get the mechanics down first without having to deal with any appreciable recoil or muzzle blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? [ QUOTE ] I'd start her out shooting a 22 LR first, then work up to the 243 (or whatever you choose). Let them get the mechanics down first without having to deal with any appreciable recoil or muzzle blast. [/ QUOTE ] Not to mention about $.80 a shell cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? Great advice Texan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? The .243 is ideal for most hunters including younger hunters. If they can't handle the little bit of recoil, they might need to wait till they can. I have shot many rounds with one, and I think they are a great calibur. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Southern_Pride Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? .243 was my first rifle i got it when I was only 9 and i still have it... great rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallone Posted October 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? Thats what i was thinking and you guys validated my opinion. Texan, thats what he is doing with the 22lr another good idea. thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODH Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? the .243 would be a good gun for a kid to start out with IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tc2506 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? might look into the remington SPR 700 for a 243 they come factory with a synthetic stock(whitch helps on recoil) and with a limbsaver recoil pad (whitch realllly helps) that,ll make it much easier on her, and there not that bad on price either we paid $525 for 1 in a 25/06 for my boy last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? I'd go with a .243 out of those two choices. I've shot both and I really don't think there's much of a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? [ QUOTE ] I would go with the 243. Recoil isn't enough in my 30-30 and 243 to notice much, but the 243 has a lot more range. [/ QUOTE ] You havn't tried the Lever Revolution bullets have you?? They now make the 30-30 a 300 yard gun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramie Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would go with the 243. Recoil isn't enough in my 30-30 and 243 to notice much, but the 243 has a lot more range. [/ QUOTE ] You havn't tried the Lever Revolution bullets have you?? They now make the 30-30 a 300 yard gun!! [/ QUOTE ] Maybe in range but you might want to take another look at energy. I have my doubts about any 30/30 cartridge being effective at 300 yds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? [ QUOTE ] Maybe in range but you might want to take another look at energy. I have my doubts about any 30/30 cartridge being effective at 300 yds... [/ QUOTE ] Correct me if I'm wrong...........but isn't this a post about a deer gun for a kid?? 30/30 or .243 (or .308 which is what she shoots)..........my kid's not shooting 300 yards at a deer (and she's a pretty good shot). Were it my kid and the .243 and 30/30 were the only two choices I had, I'd take the 30/30, no question. At the distances I feel a kid should be shooting at a deer, the 30/30 is plenty powerful and it creates a very nice wound channel. Additionally, a 150 or 170 grain 30 caliber bullet leaves more margin for error on a shoulder bone hit or sharp angle shot. That's my take. Remember........free advice is worth what you paid for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? If you are getting a gun for a kid you also have to look at the possibility that they may improve dramatically in a short time and that they may pass your shooting ability up quicker than you think possible. After several months of practiceing they may go from being comfortable shooting 75 yards to maybe 200+ or even 300 yards with a gun that is capable. Why limit their ability with a cartrige, when you can get a better performing caliber that will grow with them? I know this summer I went from being very comfy out to 125 yards to being proficient at 300 with just about 2 weeks of heavy practice. I spent a lot of time with a 22lr shooting very small targets at 50- 150 yards. Then started shooting my deer rifles further and further untill I reached 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? [ QUOTE ] Why limit their ability with a cartrige, when you can get a better performing caliber that will grow with them? [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. That's why I prefaced my remarks by saying "were the 243 & 30/30 were the only two choices I had". I, personally, consider the .243 to be a fine (if not one of the best) varmint calibers going. Sure........you can kill lots of deer with it. But I don't consider the .243 a deer caliber any more than I do the .220 Swift or .22-250. A 7mm-08 or .308 will hit at 150 yards with the same energy a .243 has at the muzzle. Neither one is a recoil monster. My 12 year old daughter just cleaned the clock of her first deer with a (somewhat) reduced .308 load. Her 9 year old brother can shoot the gun and not be bothered by it a bit, either. And with modern pads, "managed recoil" loads, etc. you can make them gentler yet. But when the kid grows a little, he / she now has a bona-fide deer, bear, elk, moose gun. No need to trade the .243 in on a real gun two years down the road. Again......free advice is worth what you pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? What are we missing here? We could slam both cartridges but that is not what the post is about. For those of you that say one limits your ability over another to harvest game. You are right if you like to harvest game at a long range or have the ability to hunt in an area where long range shooting is a possibility. If you hunt in areas where the 150 yd shot will be the longest you will ever take, both calibers would work fine. I prefer the 30-30 , so what! I like the .243 for it's flat shooting ability. Both bullets harvest game efficiently. The question was really about felt "kick". wasn't it? If it were about shooting a given distance, do you really want a novice shooting 250 or 300 yds? Couldn't that for a youngster just distance, no pun intended, them a little between nature and the "chase" a bit farther from where we want our youth to be? Think about the physiological heart pounding in your chest when you shoot a deer at 250 yds as compared to 25 yds. ???? Most adults here, notice I said most, don't need us putting our 2 cents in when it comes to selecting a caliber for themselves or anyone else. That includes my 2 cents as well. LMBO So there's my 2 cents on this post that was answered on it's first reply. Great reply might I add. Short, sweet and to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? [ QUOTE ] The question was really about felt "kick". wasn't it? [/ QUOTE ] Yep. [ QUOTE ] ........this post that was answered on it's first reply. Great reply might I add. Short, sweet and to the point. [/ QUOTE ] Yep........... and thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkhntnfool Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? If those were the only choses then go with the .243. However I am also with strut10 on the .308. It is a fine round for anyone. I personally shoot a .308 killed an antelope and a big bull elk with it already this year both one shot kills with a 150 gr. bullet. I could shoot that rifle all day long. Just my 2 cents one the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? Go with the 243, it will shoot a lot farther and you can use it for multipurpose. The .30-30 isn't going to give you much more than 125 yards. Although I'm sure some with disagree with me that is the norm for most hunters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Re: Which kicks harder? Yeah the .243 would be more versatile-a good varmint gun to keep yourself sharp with till deer season. We've got a couple here and the kids sure like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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