iron buck Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 I own a 7600 in 35whelen. They may not be pretty but most I have seen are great shooters. Mine will shoot factory ammo into nice small groups (around 1 1/4") all day long. This is the only rifle I have ever owned that has NEVER changed point of impact between seasons. It is dead nuts reliable, 1 1/2" high at 100 yards dead center. The 7600 would be a sweet shooter in 308. Look around for used models also, you should be able to get a better deal and may be able to avoid some of the quality isues that have plauged Remington lately. If you do get a new one and it has problems, take advantage of the warranty and get it fixed. All in all I like the 7600. It is a good solid and reliable base for a hunting rifle . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 My first gun that I owned, was a Rem 760 Carbine in 30-06. That gun was the predecessor to the Model Six and the 7600. It was a great shooter. In our camp when I was a kid, there were at least 5 Rem pump rifles on the rack. If you think about it, the guns should be good shooters. They have a free floated barrel, have a very ridgid action, and should be able to throw some very decent groups. Sometimes bedding the action to the buttstock with epoxy and touching up the crown. I have seen this turn some so so guns into very good shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 We won one at whitetails unlimited in 30-06. I shot a deer this year with it. Its not my favorite gun, but it does ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 I personally don't care for a pump gun (rifle)...seems too easy to start cracking off shots and not take the time to make a "good" follow up shot if needed. Also I would take the accuracy of a bolt action gun over a pump anyday! Just my opinion...take it for what its worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 My 30-06 is accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 It just may be...but all things being equal...a bolt action gun is more accurate than a pump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 When all is equal they will both be equally accurate, no? Snapper, what makes a bolt gun more accurate? A properly setup pump will be more than accurate enough for deer hunting out past distances where most people should be shooting. My 760 Carbine would shoot 3/4 MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards with Rem factory 150 gr ammo or my reloads. My Dad's 760 will hold MOA at 100 yards. Come to think of it, most of the pump guns I have shot have been good shooters. I would say they average MOA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron buck Posted August 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 Snapper: It is very easy to get off an aimed and accurate follow up shot with a pump rifle (as well as the first shot!). People that just "sling" rounds off un aimed are going to do it with any action they have. This is just poor shooting. The motion of snapping the forend closed to chamber the next round automatically points you in the right direction. As I have seen myself and as AJ stated most are very accurate rifles. Layne Simpson of Shooting Times magazine has written many times that the most accurate 30-06 he has ever owned is his Rem 7600. He gets 1/2" 3 shot groups at 100 yards with 180 grain factory core lockts. I have seen it written by several writers that the pump rifle is only good for casual big game hunters who are primarily small game or bird hunters and use pump action shotguns. I believe that Jack O'Connor was the first one to put this statement in print and I have seen several other writers say the same thing. These writers were all primarily bolt action hunters who rarely if ever even fired a pump rifle. Statements like those do a diservice to the 760/ 7600 rifles. They are very good hunting rigs. Have you ever read about the Benoit family in Maine? This is a family of big woods hunters who use nothing but 760s or 7600s. They hunt by tracking and have taken 100s of outstanding big bucks. This type of hunting takes advantage of the ability to get off fast, aimed and well placed shots. This is where the pump action shines. Try one, you might be surprised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Re: 7600 Almost any gun out of box will shoot "good" enough (8" pie plate) to kill a deer at 100 yards. When I say all things being equal...I'm talking out of box. If you took a Rem. 700 and a Rem. 7600 straight from the box...both chambered in .30-06 shooting the same factory rounds...the model 700 will (in most cases) shoot tighter groups. I never seen any bench shooters shooting a pump gun at any comps. I'm not putting the gun down...just seems it would be easier to slam the forearm forward and rip the trigger for a second shot then it would be to run a bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Re: 7600 Snap, I have seen more bolt guns that shot worse "out of the box" than the Rem pump guns. One reason is there are a lot more bolt guns out there the number of bad ones are higher. If you think about what things are done to make a bolt gun shoot good like, floating the barrel, pillar bedding to keep stock compression from stressing the action, action flexing, etc. These are non issues on a pump. The barrel is attached at the action and is free floated. The action is huge compared to a bolt gun and it is stiffer. The stock design does not affect accuracy. The biggest thing that determines if the gun will shoot is the gunsmithing. If the chamber is installed correctly (centered and to the proper depth) chances are the gun will shoot fairly well. It is true that the gun can be used with a high rate of fire. It is much faster than a bolt gun. In the proper hands it can come very close to the speed and accuracy of a gas operated semi auto. The physical speed is as fast or faster with a pump if the operator is able but recoil pushes the gun off the target. While I have not heard of someone using a pump gun in a match, I can't really say I have seen any bench guys using as stock 700 in a match either. They need a lot of work to be competitive. Thats why they are not very popular in competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Re: 7600 [ QUOTE ] While I have not heard of someone using a pump gun in a match, I can't really say I have seen any bench guys using as stock 700 in a match either. They need a lot of work to be competitive. Thats why they are not very popular in competition. [/ QUOTE ] How many "custom" pump guns have you seen in competition? If you did float, recess, bed, etc...and had the work done by the best of the best...there still would be no pump guns in competition...why is that? I've been around and shot a few 7600's and I still stick to my orginal statement that a bolt action gun is (in most cases) more accurate than a pump! Shoot what you like...I'm just not a fan of the pump action rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron buck Posted August 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Re: 7600 jimt: I have the same book. It is very good. It amazes me how they track those bucks with and without snow year after year and have GREAT success at it. I did not know that they were from Vermont. I guess I was to busy looking at the pictures of those bucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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