johnf Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? [ QUOTE ] If you can't see how it is dangerous then you are just a crazy. Come on.. #1 to engage the safety from fire position back down to safety you have to pull the trigger and hold the hammer while it drops.. lots of force. It's hard to do when it's cold. #2 the hammer is exposed and very easy to bump.. it's just the whole makeup of the gun that is dangerous. Don't tell me it's not because I have one sitting right in front of me that I just looked at. I own one, a Marlin. It's a piece of junk. IMO! I know lots of people who are safe firearm holders who have mis- fired this gun. It happens easily no matter how careful you are. I know of one guy who almost shot himself in the foot trying to re-engage the safety after being in fire position. Don't tell me this gun is not any more dangerous than any other gun. It has a very well known reputation of being dangerous. I have been told that the newer versions have safteys on the trigger guard that make them safer. I probably wouldn't have that much of an issue with mine if it had a safety there. As far as tragetory.. are you kidding me? Have you looked at ballastics charts for this caliber? It drops off incredibly after 100 yards and loses lots of energy. If you can hit what you are aiming at out to 150 then more power to you... but I doubt most people could just due to the tragetory and energy loss. [/ QUOTE ] Sighted in at 1.7" high at 100 yards the 30-30 drops to -4.3" at 200 yards and still has 944ft/lbs of energy. If we take into account that most reputable hunters recomend 1000ft/lbs then at 150 yards the 30-30 has plenty power. Here it is at Winchester.com You're rude, I'm not playing with you anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? I'm rude but you are calling people names like ignorant. Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? That is a huge drop in tragetory and both power. Compare that to a 30-06 or a 270 and see what you find. 900 something ft/pounds of energy is not very much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? I said it was an ignorant statement. It lacked knowlegde. That's the definition of ignorant. 4.3" drop is huge at 200yards? The 170 gr. Silvertip has over 1000ft/lbs. of energy at 200 yards. Just because it's not as powerful as a 30-06 doesn't mean that it's not enough gun. Folks shoot deer all the time with 357mags that have only 500 lbs. and are said to be plenty for deer. I'm not from up north, but I've heard of people shooting elk and moose with the 30-30. I would think if it were enough for those things, it would be plenty for a deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drifter Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? I had a 30-30 for my first rifle wish I still had it. As far as wounding more deer than any other cartridge sure I can see that since it has been around for more than 100 years. It all boils down to shot placement, you can wound one with a 300 mag just as easily. I watched a hunting show where they shot a mule deer and an antelope at about 250 yards with the lever evolution in 30-30 and they both dropped in their tracks. Great guns IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TIGER81 Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? IVE USED A 94 MODEL WINCHESTER30-30 FOR 13 YEARS NOW AND I WOULDN'T USE ANYTHING ELSE WHERE I HUNT, ITS THE BEST BRUSH GUN THERE IS! ITS GOOD FOR ANYTHIG UP TO ABOUT 150 YARDS. I HAVE KILLED A LOT OF DEER WITH THIS GUN AND ITS LIKE A PART OF ME. THE ONLY PROBLEM IVE HAD IS SEEING BIG DEER AT 225 YARDS AND JUST HAVING TO SIT AND WATCH THEM PASS, BUT IVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattA311 Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? [ QUOTE ] I said it was an ignorant statement. It lacked knowlegde. That's the definition of ignorant. 4.3" drop is huge at 200yards? The 170 gr. Silvertip has over 1000ft/lbs. of energy at 200 yards. Just because it's not as powerful as a 30-06 doesn't mean that it's not enough gun. Folks shoot deer all the time with 357mags that have only 500 lbs. and are said to be plenty for deer. I'm not from up north, but I've heard of people shooting elk and moose with the 30-30. I would think if it were enough for those things, it would be plenty for a deer. [/ QUOTE ] Then you are very ignorant by your own defination. Simply just because you didn't see why it was a dangerous gun. 4.3 is a huge drop over a span of 100 yards. Look at the more conventional calibers and see their drop.. for example a 30-06 or a 270.. it's maybe an 1/8th of that. People shoot 357's at deer but it's at very close ranges and definatly under 50 yards. The moral of the story here is this: The 30-30 is a decent caliber choice for deer when hunting at ranges of under 100 yards. The reason why the range is so bad is because the bullet weight is heavy for the amount of powder behind it. There is not much for the weight of the bullet. The 30-06 pushes a bullet weight of the same size with twice as much powder behind it. It is a slow round because of that. (30-30) That's why the tragetory drop is so significant. Simple as that. And lever action rifles are dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ousoonerfan22 Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? I don't think the lever action rifles are anymore dangerous than any other gun they all require safe handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Re: 30 - 30 ?? So then we have a disagreement of what is significant drop at 200 yards. The 30-30 is IMO not a 200 yard gun, but it is 150 yard gun unless your trying to shoot it's eye out. The 2-3 inch drop at 150 yard is insignificant if you are shooting an ethical broadside shot. Yes at 200-400 yards the 270, 30-06 and a truckload of other guns are better than the old 30-30, at 150 yards a deer's not going to know the difference. If it's too dangerous for you I would suggest selling it to someone who is a little more careful with their guns. BTW if the hammer is pulled back, don't look in the hole at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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