TOMSD5 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock yep been there done that...i lost 3 deer to the neighboring landowner...one was only 50 ft from the line...he said coyotes had to eat also...lost a good buck which i was not even going to try to get and was on my stand still and here he comes after hearing my gunshot...drives up to the fence...crosses it and comes to my stand and arrested me for shooting on his property...(he was a federal warden)...the local state warden come out and did get my rifle and licences back but told me he could not make him give me the deer ....the landowner got transferred out of tn and now have new owners...but i will not get on there property...although there kids have broken windows out of my hunting house and caught them tresspassing 3 times last friday.....yes it's bad to lose an animal like this but in some states it does happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogg6 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock We have a guy that owns 500 acres of river bottoms and a couple fields right next to the property that we hunt. Over the years we have done both. If we know it isn't to far in we just go and get it. If it is farther in we call and ask . Sometimes he will say yes, but he goes in with us. Other times he says no. It must be decided by the mood he is in that day. It really is too bad that people don't let us do the right thing by retrieving an animal that is sure to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock Even the most territorial landowners usually have hearts. This one clearly doesn't. go get the deer. This is my second post on here. it really fires me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock Depending on your state laws the landowner may very well have that right. Tennessee law much to many peoples misunderstanding does not allow you to go on a property without permission even if you can see the deer from your side of the fence. If she refused and your state does nto allow you to retrieve the animal, might ask your wildlife officer. Other than that you really have no choice but to repsect the landowners rights even if you do not agree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missouri hunter Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock Call the game warden and see if they can help. If you decide to just go get it, DO NOT BRING YOUR BOW. It comes down to ethics I guess, which is worse, wasting a deer, or leaving a few footprints in someones field????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb23 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock hey u did the right thing but u gotta go get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock In cases like this, in VT, your next move would be getting the game warden involved. In VT he has the right by state law to retrieve the deer since all deer are considered property of the state. This doesnot mean you can go with him if the land owner does not want "you" on the property. In VT a land owner can not block retrieval by local officials. As far as I know and I am a land owner here in VT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckslayer Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock Someone might have already said this, but in PA, a wildlife conservation officer can escort you to retrieve a downed animal regardless of the landowner's wishes... Try that out. Give them a call and ask if they can help, or what they would legally recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock [ QUOTE ] Yesterday morning I arrowed a nice little buck. He somehow made it about 100 yards across the soy bean field from my stand and into the neighbours standing corn field. I gave him a couple hours and tracked the blood to the edge of the soy beans and corn. I marked it and did the right thing and went to ask for permission to track him down. Well the land owners weren't home because they farm and were out in the field. I stopped by the neighbours house to see if they might have a clue where the land owners were. He mentioned a couple fields to go check. Then told me " I doubt they will let you go out there...they don't like people out on their land.....they've busted people for trespassing before" . I explained to the neighbour my situation and he says "i wouldn't put it past them to go retrieve the deer themselves and keep it." So I was a little worried. Well it got to be time to go to work and couldn't find the landowners ANYWHERE. I searched every field and them some that the neighbour told me. So before heading to work, I looked up the land owners phone number and took it with me. I gave them a call at my lunch break and sure enough a lady answered. I told them my name, where I hunted and my situation. She plain ole turned me down in a heartbeat saying that they didn't want me walking through their corn and destroying the plants. What do you say or do with an answer like that? I am still in a state of disbelief and feel heartbroken and sorry for the deer. I almost wish I would have just went and got the deer and kept my mouth shut. But I did what was right. I guess that goes back to the classic line "good guys finish last". Has anybody else had a similar situation? Whats did you do? [/ QUOTE ] Go get your game-warden, and he will escort you in to retrieve your deer. (I hope) Up here, it is the law, that you have to make all reasonable effort to retrieve your game. If that means calling the game warden to get an escort, because of an unreasonable land owner, then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock Nick, You did do the right thing and it very well could have saved your life. We've read a few recent posts about what some landowners have chosen to do when people without permission have been on thier land. Best choice would be to keep the Law on your side. I see every reason for a Game Warden to respect what you have Not done(trespassing) and try everything in their power to help you out. Sneaking in to get the deer under the cover of Darkness does not make it any less Illegal to Trespass! Any perverted justification for doing so does not uphold any kind of Ethics. [ QUOTE ] I'd have been on the phone to the local GW muy pronto!! [/ QUOTE ] There's more than one of us???? Be afraid...Very Afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock I know you were trying to do the right thing, but if you had to look that hard to try and find the landowners, why not just keep your bow in the car and take a walk over there looking for your deer. Sometimes the ones that follow all the rules and try to do the right thing gets screwed. Any update on this yet? Did you go get the deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock Well Nick, I had the same thing happen a few years ago. I could see the deer about 50 yards over on the other persons property. I went in and got the deer. While I was dragging it back to my property to dress it, the property owner came out kicking and screaming. I ended up with tickets from warden and lost the deer. You did the right thing by asking permission, I would just make sure everyone I knew found out about this fella being an idiot and not letting you get your deer, seems he is content to let good food go too waste. Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mark_85 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock call up your local game warden and he will assist you on retrieving your deer and the landowners cannot say anything about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock At best you can call the game warden and tell him the situation. By no means should you risk your whole hunting season on a deer and get some kind of record that will stick with you for trespassing. I know loosing a deer is gut wrenching but laws are laws and we must abide by them. You break them and you've lost more than just the deer. You've actually contacted the owner and gotten a big "No" out of her, that by my standards means you've given great means of recoverying this deer and in my opinion should chalk it up as a shot and not found deer. You never know, this deer could still be walking around just fine anyway! JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbuckdown70 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Re: What A Crock [ QUOTE ] you need to contact the local game warden he may be able to be a go between and help [/ QUOTE ] the'll get you on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted October 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Re: What A Crock Well, It rained here over night last night and washed away the blood trail. But the more I thought about it the more ticked I got. I went ahead and walked the corn field trying to find the deer or any sign leading to him this morning. I know it wasnt right, but it was right. I never found any blood and never found the deer. Theres no doubt in my mind hes dead and would be hanging right now if I would have went out there a couple hours after I shot him. This is probably my worst hunting experience ever. I guess I just try to move on. At least the coyotes and other critters will eat good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Re: What A Crock Thats too bad Nick...I dont advocate tresspassing..but maybe next time call the warden and get the deer..I hate to see an animal go to waste. You did the right thing ethicly...me.?? Id a went in..sorry, thats just the way we do it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Re: What A Crock Nick you gave it your best effort, be it right or wrong and I can understand ethically how much you wanted to find that buck. I know alot of people would have went over with out permission and some people wouldn't, but we can't be an advertisment for trespassing is okay if it's for a deer. I'm going to lock this post because I feel it's ran it's course and don't want it to get out of hand with a lot of people up on there soap boxes saying you should of went in sooner. Laws are made to be followed not broken and I feel your pain on the lose of that deer. This is just one of the down sides of hunting in general and a great example of why we should stress more to non-hunters why we hunt and how ethical a sport it really is. In my eyes it's the landowners that aren't the eithcal one, not allowing a downed animal to be claimed and go to waste. Sorry Bud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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