Rut-Nut Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Re: Carry gun Check out the Kel-tec .380. Smallest .380 in production. I carry it just about everywhere! IMHO, with the right ammo, it is ALOT better than a .32 and don;t even lump it in the same category as a .22!! Can;t beat a .380 loaded at less than 12 oz!!!! I am of the opinion as posted above, I want a gun I will carry all the time. For me price was also an issue. IF price were no object, I might go with the Kahr PM9 or PM40. But I would still probably carry the .380 alot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Re: Carry gun I don't much care for the kel-tec trigger. It feels very uncomfortable to me. If I were going to get a kel-tec it would probibly be one of the new 9mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rhinodog Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Re: Carry gun [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Does anyone have experience with the taurus melinium? That one has felt the best in my hands so far and I'm thinking either 40 or 45 ACP. [/ QUOTE ] I have a Taurus PT111 millenium (9mm). This gun is great to carry because it fits my hand well but don't plan on shooting sub MOA with it at more than 6 feet. It is anything but a shooter but it does make a lot of noise. I want to try the Taurus 24/7 in .40cal. [/ QUOTE ] I had the Taurus PT111 and hated the trigger. It felt like a toy gun with about a 25 lb trigger. I have a 24/7 in 9mm now that I love to shoot. It's accurate and has a pretty good DA trigger. My carry gun is a Para Ordnance Para CCW 45. The best pistol I've ever shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xen Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Re: Carry gun the sig 239 is also a great alternative, unless you're looking for something really small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Re: Carry gun [ QUOTE ] For me price was also an issue. IF price were no object, I might go with the Kahr PM9 or PM40. But I would still probably carry the .380 alot! [/ QUOTE ] How much is your life worth? I'll add my .02...I personally won't carry anything other than a .45acp. I also wouldn't let price even come into play if your talking about a gun to posibly defend your life with. You need to know 100% that gun will fire when you want it to fire. I also think any gun is better than no gun! BTW Strut, a .45acp +P semi-wad cutter will easily down a deer at 75 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Re: Carry gun Two things guys, First: Any caliber .380 on up is an excellent choice for CCW work. Actually, the Sig 230 would be a wonderful compromise between size and ease of engagement. Remember, the average deadly force engagement is 12-15 feet. Drills should be double tap-center mass. I would also look at the Springfield XD. Sig Arms, and H&K USP. Choose the 9mm based on your recommendation (cheap ammo) the Corbon 115+p+ is an outstanding round. Cheap 115 hardball for practice. The key here is practice, practice, practice. I personally carry a Wilson Combat 45 auto (carried a .45 for manny a moon), but I own over 30 handguns. I can tell you from experience, the fastest one to the party wins. Join a local IDPA leauge. You will have a better understanding of target engagment once you shoot a timed/pressured target course. I believe holster/load selection are more important than caliber. Second: The minimum recomended energy to humanly dispatch a whitetail is 500 foot pound of energy. A standard 30 cal (06' or 308) generate about 2800 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. A 45 auto 185+P+ only generates 480 foot pounds. Not enough even at close range. A whitetail is way tougher than a man when termanial ballistics come to play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Re: Carry gun Your question on the Tarus? I also own a gun shop. Not to many customers have been happy with thier Tarus PT. I have not personally fired one. The compaint was trigger and no accuracy at the range. I doubt this make a huge difference for you. You just need to be confident with it in your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyt19 Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Re: Carry gun We cant do CC here in IL but if we could I would be using my XD 45. XD subcompacts are nice, as are the SW Chiefs Special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Re: Carry gun [ QUOTE ] A 45 auto 185+P+ only generates 480 foot pounds. Not enough even at close range. [/ QUOTE ] You can do all the math you want....I seen it first hand. 230 gr. semi-wad cutter, 45 acp down a mature doe at or around 75 yards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Carry gun Hoyt 19, I totally believe you! I once saw a Russian Boar downed with a 45 auto at about 60 meters. Still, ballistics and energy formulas tell us different. We are talking about broadside shots; Heart/Lung shots. Defensive hand guns don't belong in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Re: Carry gun Snapper, Great Choices!! The S&W was once carried by a former partner. Saved his life!! The ol' 38 is STILL ONE OF THE BETTER CHOICES FOR CCW WORK!! I know I'll get some feed back here, but revolvers don't fail and they are the easiest to fire in or out of clothing. The 38+p+ is an awsome round as well. People, do not over look the wheel gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: Carry gun [ QUOTE ] BTW Strut, a .45acp +P semi-wad cutter will easily down a deer at 75 yards. [/ QUOTE ] Easily?? Not saying it hasn't happened. Not saying it couldn't happen again............. Heck, I knew an old boy (he's passed away several years back) who shot a doe back in the 1930's with a .22 short revolver his dad kept in the tractor toolbox. Killed her stone dead at around 50 yards!! Still.........ain't nobody gonna claim the .22 short's a 50 yard deer gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: Carry gun It looked pretty easy...buddy had a S&W ( I believe md 625?) wheel gun that chambered the .45acp. Now I wouldn't go shooting 100 yards at a deer with this setup....but comparing a .45acp to a .22 short is quite a strecth...lol. At 50 yards...I personally wouldn't have issues about shooting a .45acp at a deer. Is there better choices...yep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: Carry gun A great choice for deer packing/self defense is the S&W 329PD. I believe the 4" 44mag weighs in around 24 ozs. I shot a doe with mine while moving a stand. It kicks like a mule, but is easy to carry and is pretty accurate. Need gloves to shoot this one, even with the rubber grips. I have a 460 Smith, a 475 Wildey and a 480 Ruger. The 329 out kicks them all! Not too much you can do about a 44 mag that only weighs 24ozs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Re: Carry gun Regarding "tractor deer"; I bet the 22 (in any form) has killed more deer over the last 50 years than any other cal. combined. I'm sure there are not too many published records on hand. Get a group of farmers/ranchers at a poker table and the stat could have merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted December 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Re: Carry gun My dad has told me stories of "deer hunting" back in the mid 50's with a 22short pistol. That was the only round he had ever killed a deer with before he started hunting with me about 8 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Re: Carry gun I like my S&W .40 Sigma except for one downfall. The magazine is a bear to load. As in a real chore! For CCW I would prefer my wheelgun with a couple speedloaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowana Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Re: Carry gun How many guys out thier carry a wheel gun as a CCW? Why or why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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