AdvantageTimberLou Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Another reason why Michigan sucks....Most of the citizens are idiots. [/ QUOTE ] If you hate our state Nick, just move, then you can gripe about another state. Were you going to go out to shoot morning doves? Are you a guy that is out just to shoot anything that moves? I doubt it but do we need any more people in the woods that just want to shoot things up? You want to shoot, then get a clay thrower and have fun. What gets me is the people saying that voting NO would ban all hunting in Michigan? That would be suicide for our state, it would never happen. Michigan makes way too much money to ban all hunting. So don't worry about that happening. Were we going to lose tons of money because morning dove hunters from other states can't come here now to hunt them? Doubt it. As hunters do we need seasons on all types of game? Were people going to eat the doves? Probably not, it all goes back to my theory is just guys and gals just like to shoot to shoot. I for one like seeing other wildlife while on stand, I am not shooting for the sake of shooting! So in closing, our citizens are not idiots, our country is not falling apart, its about saving our resources and enjoying nature instead of shooting them all into extinct status!!! Whats on next years ballot, chickadee hunting? Somewhere we must draw the line before its too late. [/ QUOTE ] Are you a hunter or an anti-hunter?? Because that doesnt sound like something a hunter would say. This is a hunting forum and I took your comments personal and as a low blow, as should all the other hunters on this site.Congratulations Michigan, you just passed a bill supported by the Humane society, one of the nations largets animal right activists. Look out your window Lou, theres an abundance of these birds!! And they happen to get shot by the millions in 41 other states!!! Why don't I move? My family lives here in Michigan. Was I going to go shoot mourning doves? Nope!! But 41 other states can, and if hunters in Michigan want to, they should be able to too. Do I shoot everything that moves? What do my statements have to do with my hunting ethics and what I shoot? If its legal, don't worry about what I shoot!!! Whats on next years ballot, chickadee hunting? I doubt it, but there might be one to ban deer hunting, turkey hunting, bear hunting, phesant hunting, squirrel hunting, rabbit hunting. You voted dove hunting out, now they got the ball rolling their direction and will try to take away another one of your hunting rights. [/ QUOTE ] Your the guy coming on here saying our state sucks!! Your the one calling citizens of this state idiots. Well I know some of the idiots that voted NO and they are a far cry from an idiot or an anti-hunter. For you being a moderator you sometimes post comments that I think a moderator should not. You shoot what you want, you vote the way you want to vote, if the state sucks and your surrounding by idiots, then MOVE!!! If you think the other animals you mentioned would be banned then you are wrong, Michigan would not do such a sucididal move due to the impact it has on the ecomony. The insurance companies will make sure that will never happen. You have to realize, not all anti-hunters voted NO on this issue. You hunt your way, I'll hunt mine. I am done on this issue and the people of Michigan have spoken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dust Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! Sounds like you think your opinion is the only one. Maybe you should run for office. You also keep saying Michigan won't remove any other seasons. What are you going to be the only one voting? They just removed one. Don't think they won't do it again. You keep saying this, that and the other, but your talking a circle and need to read what you are saying before you continue to type. And no the people of Michigan have not spoken. You should be saying the voting majority have spoken. I think I'll go shoot something now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] Sounds like you think your opinion is the only one. Maybe you should run for office. You also keep saying Michigan won't remove any other seasons. What are you going to be the only one voting? They just removed one. Don't think they won't do it again. You keep saying this, that and the other, but your talking a circle and need to read what you are saying before you continue to type. And no the people of Michigan have not spoken. You should be saying the voting majority have spoken. I think I'll go shoot something now. [/ QUOTE ] That is what the forum is for, speaking your opinion but I will be damned if I will let someone say this great state sucks and most of its citizens are idiots for the way they voted, its a democratic country and we have a right that most do not, do not call a voter an idiot!! I am more worried about my govenor for the next 4 years than this bill not passing, that is what I am worried about most. The dove bill got defeated, I will move on as there are plenty of hunting seasons here in Michigan for hunters to enjoy and I do not fear them being banned soon and I knew if it got defeated that would be the first comeback, "they took that away everything else is next!" You can't take something away you never had in the first place!!! As for me talking in circles please explain? I just don't like people labeling the voters who said NO to it being labeled as anti's or idiots! We are no better as hunters if we bad mouth their opinions. So they don't agree, does that mean they are an idiot? I know guys that have hunted for over 50 years that said "NO" to it, are they an idiot, no way, they had their right to vote any way they see fit and they had good reasoning for it. As for not having a dove season and voting it out, we never had it to begin with, the whole proposal was to allow for it. Maybe if more people would vote than the outcomes would have been different. But do not label me as an anti or that my opinion is the only one that counts, you do not know me and do not know my ethics and beliefs. I don't need your BS today!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] I don't want a day where my daughters will not see a morning dove in our yard, I am sure most of you would not too!! [/ QUOTE ] They thrive by the BILLIONS!!!!!! I pretty sure that will never happen!!! Besides, here in PA we been having dove season for DECADES! There are always plenty around!!! Yes, they are good eating too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! Too bad they did not allow it. Got dove seasons here, and would be very doubtful given the number of hunters here that it will be in jeopardy any time in the real near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! I'm pretty sure the conservation officers have a good idea about the population numbers for doves. Down here they are quite abundant. And there are plenty of people who hunt them AND eat them. I understand how people are very leery of giving up their right to hunt a particular species because it opens the doorway to banning other types of hunting. The tree huggers will use this to their advantage; you better believe it. Whether or not they could actually ban hunts on deer and other big game is highly doubtful. I see it like this.......................if our government decides to ban hunting then they are going to have their hands FULL trying to stop all the "poaching" that will take place. My question is this: Have studies been done on the dove population in Michigan? If so what were the results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! So it's not ok to diss most of the voting public of Michigan as idiots but it's ok to diss hunters across America that hunt doves as blood thirtsy shoot everything that moves and leave it lay to rot "hunters". It's your and everyone elses right to vote I have no problem with that or how you do it, BUT if that is your outlook on what dove hunters are or what they do then your sadly mistaken. I agree that it's doubtful that other hunting seasons are in jeapordy due to the loss (or not instating) dove season. Other hunting seasons are in jeapordy due to the outlook people have on hunters as a whole. If your description is any where close to what other people regardless of state think of hunters - that's where the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! This is a great debate....let's just remember to keep it clean..... My only comment is don't for a second think that another season wouldn't be next......pride come'th before the fall.......just remember, we as hunters may be well spoken, the antis are well funded....very well funded...... Oh Ya....and doves do taste great....I'm glad I have the opportunity to hunt them.......we've had seasons here in ND for what seems forever, and it sure doesn't seem to effect the population......I think your daughter would still be seeing doves in your yard....heck i've got two that nest in our Elm tree every year........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] [i will be damned if I will let someone say this great state sucks and most of its citizens are idiots for the way they voted [/ QUOTE ] i agree with you there Lou...however, i don't agree with you coming in a bashing everyone who was disappointed in it not passing. If you voted against it thats fine...but don't come in here and rip into those who voted for it. this IS a hunting forum and dove hunting IS a big issue...you may not do it...and some people you know may not but there are people out there who do or may want to, and yes, it will generate a lot of money if/when it ever gets passed...and NO the mourning dove population will not suffer from us having a season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'll say this , the anti's game plan is to divide and conquer so if they voted for the elimination of dove season, other seasons will follow... Why not waterfowl next, then deer, etc.... [/ QUOTE ] The elimination of waterfowl and deer hunting in Michigan will not happen, that is what gets me is the people believe that once one species gets a "no" vote then others will follow. Not true, for pete's sake, shooting doves the first step to all hunting being banned? I love to hunt but I have yet to see the harm in these birds, they do not cause car accidents, they do not do serious damage to crops, they do not cause nusisances in neighborhoods, I personally don't see a reason to open a season for them and others seen it the same way. They are not a nuisance animal. Maybe its because I don't bird hunt, if I want to shoot I grab a box of clays and go out and shoot. It's not all the anti's voting the dove bill down, lots of hunters I know voted no on it and they are far from an anti!!! [/ QUOTE ] I am surprised frankly regarding your opinion. It seems that because you don't hunt doves and like to look at them in your yard, that no one should be able to hunt them. I can appreciate the sentiment because there are things I will not hunt. But my sister in law doesn't hunt deer and doesn't like them being hunted and likes to watch them in her yard so therefore no one should hunt them? I certainly understand your personal decision but don't force that upon others and if you like the doves there, don't shoot the ones in your yard. As for the banning of the next species, you are dead wrong there. Look at the NJ issues. Once something works, it will be tried with other hunts as well. It isn't some secret society working to ban hunting, they are clear in their goals, publish and share their successful tactics and attack anywhere that is soft. As for dissing Michigan....well, I've been there and wasn't terribly impresed...Ypsie area. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! Here's an interesting article written on the subject with some reported statistics that some people may not know.... Best to return to dove-hunt trial - The Grand Rapids Press "Opponents of dove hunting contend that the birds are used for target practice. Anyone would be foolish to deny that abuses occur. But also true is that the great majority of hunters respect the game and make meals of it. Because dove hunting is a way for young people to easily hunt and learn the sport, dove hunting should help in preserving Michigan's hunting tradition. About 30 percent of hunters in the 2004 trial hunt took a youth with them. Benefits also went to non-game species: Of the $2 each hunter paid for a dove stamp, half went to the state's Nongame Fish and Wildlife Trust Fund". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! My name calling may have been out of line and I apologize. But I wont take anything back I've said. I'm done with this but I think my fellow forum members are speaking for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! Now I am most DEFINITELY against people using them for target practice just like I am against poaching deer. Now there is no cause for THAT. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! Dove, grouse, pheasant, woodcock, snipe, wood-duck, etc, etc, all fall under that non-obtrusive, non-crop threatening, etc category. If you think for one second that getting rid of dove season is not the first step to more game closures further down the road ...well...you must be sleeping Doves are a very tasty game dish, along with all of the above, all of which can be considered harmless, helpless little birdies The closure of dove hunting "IS" a first step to more to come. No, they are not going to close down all hunting tomorrow, because of this, but they will continue to whittle away, one species at a time. That "IS" the liberal anti-hunting Agenda. Just my opinion, and I might add the Nick has apologized for his remark about the citizens of Michigan, for those who missed it, so lets put that one to bed. And I am also against shooting any animal just for target practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! I am done with this issue too, if I made people mad I am sorry and apologize but hearing the words that my state sucks and the citizens are idiots got the best of me. What really got me was those thinking I was an anti, that really got me! We all have opinions, like them or hate them and maybe its best I go now and leave the issues to others to fight. Its always subjects like politics and religion that tend to make all of us get ugly at times. Sometimes this board just makes you mad and when it does you know its time to leave!! Take care guys and gals and fight whatever fight you want to in your life and never lose the passion for it and never let others get you down!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! No harm no foul, timberlou....it's all fun and games. I don't think that anyone thinks your entire state sucks...now your football team, that's another story! Thems fightin words I think! I think with the election tension, there will be lots of petty bickering. We're like family.....and whose family is without squabbles? p.s. remember the Michigan murders? One of the girls was found in a cemetary less than half a mile from where my aunt lives. She heard a lady scream one night out near her home and called police. They think that one of the murders happened right near her house that night. Also, the cemetary where Jane Mixer was found was within sight of my aunt's home. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3whunt Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! one positive for the rest of us: more doves will be migrating. not that they will make it down to texas, but the midwestern states will reap the benefits of michigan voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] If you don't like my comments, I really don't care anymore, please explain to me though why you thought it was intellectually bankrupt!! [/ QUOTE ] Anyone who calls themselves a "hunter" then procedes to demolish another hunter's ways, methods or seasons is intellectually bankrupt at best and more likely hypocritical. Like Buckee stated: Pheasants, rabbits, grouse, squirrels, etc. don't "hurt anybody", either. So are those the next Michigan ballot initiative??? Anyone who does not see that within the realm of liberal, tree-hugging possibility has got their head in the sand. [ QUOTE ] The only way we are going to preserve nature is for us hunters doing it, sometimes we must draw the line on what we have seasons for and what would be an animal to hunt. [/ QUOTE ] And, as a fairly hard & fast rule, preservation of a species begins when it becomes a game animal. Look at the African elephant, for example. 30 years ago they were in deep doo-doo. There was little to no opportunity to hunt them. So there were no sportsmen's dollars going into any conservation effort on the elephants' behalf. Once the elephant was recognized as being a real asset to African economies.......and license dollars started flowing in........conservation enforcement officers could be afforded to protect the herds from ivory poachers. Today elephants are in overabundance most places they're hunted. [ QUOTE ] I don't want a day where my daughters will not see a morning dove in our yard, I am sure most of you would not too!! [/ QUOTE ] Guess you've bought into the touchy-feely tree-huggers' rhetoric. Mourning doves are abundant and very prolific. In English: They ain't in no danger of extinction. Agreed......... there are more pressing issues in Michigan and the United States today than the mourning dove vote. But we, as hunters, are on the way out when things are going well. We don't need to create problems for ourselves by infighting. And, as I woke up this morning, I have no problem saying "Pennsylvania sucks" and the majority of the voters in Pennsylvania are idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! Hate to see any game animal or bird that are not on the endangered spices list lost to hunters. And i did mean spices because they taste better that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Another reason why Michigan sucks....Most of the citizens are idiots. [/ QUOTE ] Things could be worse. You could be living in New York [/ QUOTE ] Ditto to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] I am done on this issue and the people of Michigan have spoken. [/ QUOTE ] THATS THE THING How can we say the people of michigan have spoken with 80 percent of the funding for this No vote came from antis out of state. You never saw any ads for dove hunting Only Against 77 Percent of the issues funds against dove hunting came from out of state. Give each of us equal air time, and i guarantee you that we wouldve won. My point said People werent educated on this issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! The scary part as a sportsman about this whole deal is that the election wasnt even close. It was over 2 million "NO" votes to less that one million "YES" votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] Were you going to go out to shoot morning doves? Are you a guy that is out just to shoot anything that moves? I doubt it but do we need any more people in the woods that just want to shoot things up? [/ QUOTE ] Lets see, anyone that shoots doves is just out to shoot anything that moves?I was under the impression it was quite popular in many states with the hunters. As far as not wanting more people in the woods that can be said of many things.I dont shotgun hunt deer so I really see no need to have shotgun hunters cluttering up the woods shooting things up.Goose hunters screwed up my last hunting trip, theyre out to. [ QUOTE ] Were we going to lose tons of money because morning dove hunters from other states can't come here now to hunt them? Doubt it. As hunters do we need seasons on all types of game? Were people going to eat the doves? Probably not, it all goes back to my theory is just guys and gals just like to shoot to shoot. I for one like seeing other wildlife while on stand, I am not shooting for the sake of shooting [/ QUOTE ] Is your state going to make any money as a result of not having a season.The same thing happened in Iowa a few years back.Our spineless leadership caved in to outside anti hunting influences and didnt pass a bill allowing dove hunting.Funny thing was I didnt see any of them dumping money into the local conservation effort after the bill was shot down. I cant believe you never heard of eating dove.You think sportsmen in all these other states are just leaving them to rot in the fields?Killing them just for target practice?Im sure it happens but it happens with every game species. [ QUOTE ] So in closing, our citizens are not idiots, our country is not falling apart, its about saving our resources and enjoying nature instead of shooting them all into extinct status!!! [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't want a day where my daughters will not see a morning dove in our yard, I am sure most of you would not too!! [/ QUOTE ] A bit melodramatic dont you think?Thats what seasons and bag limits are for on everything we hunt.Most species have actually benifited and are thriving now as a result of hunters getting involved.Thats why we set rules, pump billions of dollars a year into conservation, and have state agencies set up to regulate the harvest of these animals. [ QUOTE ] Maybe its because I don't bird hunt, if I want to shoot I grab a box of clays and go out and shoot. It's not all the anti's voting the dove bill down, lots of hunters I know voted no on it and they are far from an anti!!! [/ QUOTE ] The antis really love that line of reasoning.It divides hunters and allows them to get a foot in the door.Theres a lot of animals I dont hunt, yet I support anyone elses right to do so if they wish.It was quite a successfull campaign against trappers not to long ago as well.Hunters that didnt trap simply didnt care, they let em outlaw certain traps or the act of trapping in several states without raising much of a fuss.Then in following years the shoe was on the other foot when they started pushing bills through to prohibit different forms of hunting in these same states.They always go after the less popular sports first, spring bear hunting, baiting bears, running lions with dogs, things like that they know wont gather as much support as a direct attack on a popular sport like deer hunting.They gain a little strength every time they win and it gets easier everytime for non hunters to vote no to hunting, after all nobodies protested it in the past.Nobody said you couldnt grab a box of shells and a pigeon thrower whenever you want to but you felt it was your place to mandate they couldnt do something they might enjoy.Its faulty logic and this division among hunters is whats going to kill us in the end. [ QUOTE ] I love to hunt but I have yet to see the harm in these birds, they do not cause car accidents, they do not do serious damage to crops, they do not cause nusisances in neighborhoods, I personally don't see a reason to open a season for them and others seen it the same way. They are not a nuisance animal [/ QUOTE ] Theyre also migratory and are widely hunted in many states.I wonder if they werent and the population was left unchecked if they could reach the nuisance staus pigeons have in many areas? You know, crapping all over, carrying desiease, that type thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gabuckbuster03 Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! man that sucks dove huntin is so fun hope every thang works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Re: NOOOOOOOOOO! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am done on this issue and the people of Michigan have spoken. [/ QUOTE ] THATS THE THING How can we say the people of michigan have spoken with 80 percent of the funding for this No vote came from antis out of state. You never saw any ads for dove hunting Only Against 77 Percent of the issues funds against dove hunting came from out of state. Give each of us equal air time, and i guarantee you that we wouldve won. My point said People werent educated on this issue [/ QUOTE ] That's exactly what I was getting at in my first reply....the antis are very well backed, and will hit you with advertising propaganda...a constant bombardment........sure we can all join ranks and complain on message boards and voice are opinions till we're blue in the face, but the majority of the time, it is not in the public eye......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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