Doc Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* What the heck is that sitting on top of the L.H. buck in the first picture........a party hat? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8ptbuckpa Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* I was not able to figure that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAstringking Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* i have never seen or heard of bucks that big around me in bradford county. every once in a while you hear some rumors of 12 pointers and stuff but no one ever sees them. those pictures prove that wrong. where do you hunt in Bradford County? i have property by Wyalusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bghunter777 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* I have not read all the posts but I would like to add my thoughts. Gary Alt tried to help us out. but the hunters of Pa would not have it. the guy got death threat. peopler were just aweful. I actually know Gary Alt and what a nitemare for that guy. His ideas were to allow the younger bucks to mature. and harvest more does. that is a proven tactic that is effective for a healthier deer herd. the politics as always got in the way. yes antler restriction were implemented. but that is not the answer. living in a 3 on a side portion of Pa. I would say at least 80% of 1.5 year olds are legal in my area. I am fortunate enough to hunt on a farm that we impliment our own standard of only harvesting older bucks. This was Garys intentions. allowing bucks to become older. on a state wide basis and with the hunters of Pa this is just not possible to many people just want there buck and although that is not my theory if a 4pt is a trophy to you then go ahead you should be able to kill it. some of my best memories hunting have been when I harvested younger bucks. I have gotten to the point in my hunting career where the thrill is holding out for that big. boy or even harvesting a doe. that being said. Pa length of rifle season. and number of hunters. we just do not have the equation for statewide big bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tunkhannockbowhunter Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* here's my 2 cents on the topic. antler restrictions are a great thing! there have been so many more big bucks around the last few years. i was sceptical at first but the proof is on the wall. myself, my family, and many of my local hunting buddies have been taking some good bucks the last 3 or 4 years. its incredible. however, i am very against herd reduction. there is nothing wrong with one hunter taking one doe and one buck, but that should be it. thinning the herd is hurting a lot of hunters because some areas are getting hit hard on the doe harvest. and we all know that it takes does to make bucks. if 10 extra does are harvested in a given area then that could potentially be killing anywhere from 1 to 20 bucks. because most does usually have 2 deer and both could potentially be bucks. it doesnt matter as much when bucks are harvested because on average a whitetail buck will breed with 7 doe a season( i read this stat somewhere so correct me if im wrong). by killing all these extra does it is in turn hurting the buck population for that area. i believe that does do need to be culled, but not to the extent that it is occuring. now ive talked to a lot of hunters about what im going to say and most believe that it is true, but the pgc would never admit it. the pgc is lacking funding. they dont want to raise the price of a liscense yet. so the only way they could make more money while trying to justify it with sound reasoning( the forests are be decimated, theres too many does, theres too many roadkills, it will make the herd healthier, blah blah blah we've heard them all). a doe tag costs 6 dollars. if you sell 300,000 doe tags that 1.8 million dollars, if you sell 600,000 that is 3.6 million dollars. hmmm is this starting to make sense now. this is just my opinion, but give it a thought discuss it with your buddies. it makes sense. just my 2 cents. happy hunting and think twice about shooting that second or third doe. after all its us that are pulling the trigger. we can buy the liscense and not use it. just to help save those future bucks that might be in that doe's belly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAstringking Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* yes you cant have bucks without the doe's to breed them but when i went spotlighting the other night and within 3 feilds see 68 deer...2 bucks...and they were both inferior small immature bucks. i know that there are other bucks out there but not 20 or so to bring that ratio back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* The last 3 days of the archery season I saw 6 bucks, 2 were legal 8pt's, 2 were fork horns and 2 were spikes, seen the same spike 3 times during the season. Just seems that alot of smaller bucks are running around in my area. If this AR does work then next year these deer should be legal? If i'm seeing the same spikes and forks next year then you can bet I'll be in here complaining. I feel for strut, he has his own property and hunts hard and even though the bucks get age to them they just dont have the genetics. I say let spikes walk, forks or over are legal. No doe shooting for a few years to bring the population back up. Like others said I see food everywhere in the woods that isnt getting eaten b/c lack of deer, but yet our forests cannot support more deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* Didn't I say once that PA has, as well as had, depending on area an overpopulation problem? If you see 30 + deer in one day. You have an overpopulation problem. The carrying capacity of a piece of land may not be exhausted but when plant species start disappearing, that is generally the hunters fault and that means you have too many of one species existing in the area, referringto deer that is. What does that do for your ecosystem? Or don't people care. Am I asking the wrong crowd? I hope not!!! Start shooting and stop discriminating, within the law that is for you AR restricted guys. Remember, a doe will claim her territory that has a higher level of nutrition for herself and her fawn and will defend it against bucks. Shoot some does to free up some high nutrition areas for those bucks. Of course food plots will help take this sort of pressure off does. You have to work the system the right way! You can manage almost any system but you can't manage genetics if AR is the problem. Nature has to manage that. Until then, start shooting does. They taste good too. Sorry what I said does not help the antler problem out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsman2230 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* [ QUOTE ] I have not read all the posts but I would like to add my thoughts. Gary Alt tried to help us out. but the hunters of Pa would not have it. the guy got death threat. peopler were just aweful. I actually know Gary Alt and what a nitemare for that guy. His ideas were to allow the younger bucks to mature. and harvest more does. that is a proven tactic that is effective for a healthier deer herd. the politics as always got in the way. yes antler restriction were implemented. but that is not the answer. living in a 3 on a side portion of Pa. I would say at least 80% of 1.5 year olds are legal in my area. I am fortunate enough to hunt on a farm that we impliment our own standard of only harvesting older bucks. This was Garys intentions. allowing bucks to become older. on a state wide basis and with the hunters of Pa this is just not possible to many people just want there buck and although that is not my theory if a 4pt is a trophy to you then go ahead you should be able to kill it. some of my best memories hunting have been when I harvested younger bucks. I have gotten to the point in my hunting career where the thrill is holding out for that big. boy or even harvesting a doe. that being said. Pa length of rifle season. and number of hunters. we just do not have the equation for statewide big bucks. [/ QUOTE ] AR is not the problem. Gary Alt had an okay idea with that. I think 4 points on one side might be a little much, but the herd reduction is what is making me angry. In some areas HR is needed more than others. Where I live, before they started issuing a "million" doe tags, my father and I would see around 20 deer the first day of rifle season. Now I can count the amount of deer Ive seen in the past FOUR SEASONS on one hand. Now there are more hunters than there are deer in the area. What they need immediately is brining back the seperate rifle seasons. Screw this 2 week rifle season. I know the bow season is a 6 week doe season but you cant shoot a doe that is 150 yards away with a bow. Less people take does with a bow then they do with a rifle. The PGC needs to listen to the hunters who experience the affects of these regulations first hand. Then this state will come back to the great hunting that was once seen here before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsman2230 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Didn't I say once that PA has, as well as had, depending on area an overpopulation problem? [/ QUOTE ] Exactly! Depending on the area. [ QUOTE ] If you see 30 + deer in one day. You have an overpopulation problem. The carrying capacity of a piece of land may not be exhausted but when plant species start disappearing, that is generally the hunters fault and that means you have too many of one species existing in the area, referringto deer that is. What does that do for your ecosystem? Or don't people care. Am I asking the wrong crowd? I hope not!!! Start shooting and stop discriminating, within the law that is for you AR restricted guys. [/ QUOTE ] Ya well HR might be good for a while but once the population is down shouldnt it stop??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8ptbuckpa Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* [ QUOTE ] they dont want to raise the price of a liscense yet. [/ QUOTE ] They have been trying to raise the price our State poiticians will not let them because of all the complaints they are getting from hunters about the deer. I do not remember which but one said "when more deer are in the woods than the pgc will get its price raise" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* [ QUOTE ] Ya well HR might be good for a while but once the population is down shouldnt it stop??? [/ QUOTE ] AR will not stop a plant species demise but a lower deer population should as long as there are no other stressors on the plant/trees species that the overpopulation of deer has already caused. Then you have to keep the deer population low. Hunters need to do this. Hunters that are not afraid to fill their tags. The hunter who says I need to let the does go until later in the season is doing nothing for the deer population. If anything, he is hurting it severely. Shoot the doe early in the season so the buck does not waste his time and much needed energy trying to breed her, only for her to be shot later in the season.(pregnant) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsman2230 Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* [ QUOTE ] AR will not stop a plant species demise but a lower deer population should as long as there are no other stressors on the plant/trees species that the overpopulation of deer has already caused. Then you have to keep the deer population low. Hunters need to do this. Hunters that are not afraid to fill their tags. The hunter who says I need to let the does go until later in the season is doing nothing for the deer population. If anything, he is hurting it severely. Shoot the doe early in the season so the buck does not waste his time and much needed energy trying to breed her, only for her to be shot later in the season.(pregnant) [/ QUOTE ] I understand that completely....but how low does the population have to be? I know that the capacity of the land where I am can support many more deer than there are on it right now. In my area at least, I dont think that the deer are hurting any plant species. They have enough corn, soybeans and acorns than they could possibily eat in their life. Why in areas like this would they want to lower the population any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Re: Thankd PGC..........*NOT DELETED* Well, I hunted in MN for 8 days during rifle season and the 7 of us that hunted took 4 deer. 2 bambi's and 2 bucks with 3-6 inch spikes. That's it!!! I happen to think the state of MN is inflating the deer population to get out of state hunters and in state hunters to buy tags. there is supposed to be 42 deer per square mile and 60ish in some counties. The truck beds were all dry, all week. Total bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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